j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 you are pro-war and you are a zionist. that automatically puts you on the right. That is just your opinion. It isn't a fact. Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) How's that working out for your side? Doesn't matter. It kept them confused enough to allow the invasion to be carried out. Actually eyeball, one could make an argument that it is those leftist ideas that have perpetuated the occupation and problems in Afghanistan. Once the ruling Taliban was toppled, the message was received loud and clear. America could have gone home at that point. As I said, a new bunch just as bad as the old bunch could have then taken over but they would have learned the new rules and stopped being a danger to mainland USA. No, at that point America elected to try to help Afghanistan become a country where women could be educated, school girls did not have to fear acid thrown into their eyes and all the other facets of a modern, liberal society. That didn't work out at all, did it? Yet were they not worthy, modern liberal goals? America could and perhaps should have just left them to be sand dune neanderthals but she chose not to. Me, you might find it hard to believe that as an old hippy I would love to see every acid tossing, gay killing, woman raping Taliban killed and thrown into a mass ditch! As Max Webster's Kim Mitchell sang it years ago -"Ah, you should be six feet under! Pushing up wheat for the hungry!" At least then they would have been of some positive benefit to their fellow man. That's not what happened and I would agree that the present situation as far as those humanitarian goals seems to have been a failure. Maybe the seed will flower eventually but I won't hold my breath. I have mixed feelings. As I said, I understood and agreed with the initial invasion but as far as trying to liberalize the country I just don't know. What have the allies got from it but soldier deaths and a waste of resources? One could argue that helping other human beings is its own reward but in this case with a problem of this level - again, I just don't know. Edited March 20, 2012 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
DogOnPorch Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, So-oldier ~of~ the Queen! ---Kipling http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/Rudyard_Kipling/kipling_the_young_british_soldier.htm Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 You point out they shared border but don't say anything about how Afghanistan would threaten the USSR. Yes, the Soviets wanted a pro-Soviet regime on its border but how would the Afghans threaten world peace if they weren't pro-Soviet? You didnt answer that. Most of your arguments are like that though. You don't really answer questions. You make big statements with nothing really to back them up. I enjoy taking the bait though. What are you talking about here man?!?! The Soviets were fighting the Taliban and Osama bin Laden,was that not helping world peace? The Soviets were backing a non Islamic extremist governemnt in Afganistan that was fighting militants(in Afganistan)that were also infiltrating into the Soviet union for many years attempting to break up the Soviet union. You aswell failed to regognize a parallel I had made with the current situation in regards to Pakistan helping the Taliban in Afganistan.I should also point out that the US has made raids into Pakistan numerous times and will continue to do so(side note here would be that during the Vietnam war the US also took military action in neighbouring Laos and Cambodia) But do I have to remind you about this aswell?Are you on drugs or drinking or something?And how old are you? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
eyeball Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Actually eyeball, one could make an argument that it is those leftist ideas that have perpetuated the occupation and problems in Afghanistan. That's right everything that's wrong with the world, and especially right-wing failures, is the fault of the left. Maybe you guys should just round us up some day and eradicate us so all your problems go away. No, at that point America elected to try to help Afghanistan become a country where women could be educated, school girls did not have to fear acid thrown into their eyes and all the other facets of a modern, liberal society.That didn't work out at all, did it? Yet were they not worthy, modern liberal goals? Sure they're worthy goals but the reason it didn't work out is that the west just doesn't have the moral or ethical background such a task requires. America could and perhaps should have just left them to be sand dune neanderthals but she chose not to. Yes, the stupid twit. This doesn't say much about the effing morons who followed her does it? Me, you might find it hard to believe that as an old hippy I would love to see every acid tossing, gay killing, woman raping Taliban killed and thrown into a mass ditch! As Max Webster's Kim Mitchell sang it years ago -"Ah, you should be six feet under! Pushing up wheat for the hungry!" At least then they would have been of some positive benefit to their fellow man. I find it very hard to believe you were ever a hippy. That's not what happened and I would agree that the present situation as far as those humanitarian goals seems to have been a failure. Maybe the seed will flower eventually but I won't hold my breath. If it doesn't it will die. Cultures and countries do that sometimes you know. C'est la vie. I have mixed feelings. As I said, I understood and agreed with the initial invasion but as far as trying to liberalize the country I just don't know. What have the allies got from it but soldier deaths and a waste of resources? One could argue that helping other human beings is its own reward but in this case with a problem of this level - again, I just don't know. You understood that the 9/11 terrorists came from Afghanistan? again, I just don't know. You never did. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 What are you talking about here man?!?! The Soviets were fighting the Taliban and Osama bin Laden,was that not helping world peace? The Soviets were backing a non Islamic extremist governemnt in Afganistan that was fighting militants(in Afganistan)that were also infiltrating into the Soviet union for many years attempting to break up the Soviet union. You aswell failed to regognize a parallel I had made with the current situation in regards to Pakistan helping the Taliban in Afganistan.I should also point out that the US has made raids into Pakistan numerous times and will continue to do so(side note here would be that during the Vietnam war the US also took military action in neighbouring Laos and Cambodia) But do I have to remind you about this aswell?Are you on drugs or drinking or something?And how old are you? WWWTT I see that the Soviets were helping the regime they were supporting in Kabul but I don’t see how the Islamic fighters were a threat to world peace or how a group of fighters that needed so much support from the US to just fight in Afghanistan could threaten ‘to break up the Soviet Union.’ I’m sure they thought they could do that with God on their side but if you want to think that too you can go right ahead. The US supported the fighters for the purpose of bogging the Soviets down in Afghanistan. It worked. Once they achieved their purpose that support was pulled. Other than one supporting the other the comparison with Afghanistan and Pakistan ends there. Bringing up Vietnam etc is just muddying the waters. I encourage you to continue to question my intelligence and age though. Coming from someone who constantly misspells words it makes you look so good to everyone else on this forum. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 The US supported the fighters for the purpose of bogging the Soviets down in Afghanistan. It worked. Once they achieved their purpose that support was pulled. Was 9-11 part of "It worked" WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Is that why the US supported Osama bin Laden and the Taliban to fight the communist Afgan government? Afghansitan was supported by the US due to the war of aggression on it by the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was there to conquer. Quote
Shady Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Was 9-11 part of "It worked" WWWTT It's completely seperate from it. Why are you being so obtuse? Quote
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Afghansitan was supported by the US due to the war of aggression on it by the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union was there to conquer. Actually you are wrong.They were there in support of the then Afgan government WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 It's completely seperate from it. Why are you being so obtuse? Is this how you answer a question?With another question? Nice try buddy WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Other than one supporting the other the comparison with Afghanistan and Pakistan ends there. Bringing up Vietnam etc is just muddying the waters. Or wait heres another possible reason,maybe you know that the comparisons are very real and the parallel is so striking that you do not have any possible counter argument so you dismiss the relevance! So you give up in trying! Good luck buddy WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Actually you are wrong.They were there in support of the then Afgan government WWWTT Of course. Why am I not suprised? Soviet Union = good, us and the 10 other countries supporting Afghanistan against Soviet ivasion = bad. Quote
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Or wait heres another possible reason,maybe you know that the comparisons are very real and the parallel is so striking that you do not have any possible counter argument so you dismiss the relevance! So you give up in trying! Good luck buddy WWWTT Oh I'm so glad we are buddies again. That is a nice try. You could always explain the comparison in more detail...if you can. Quote
Shady Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Is this how you answer a question?With another question? Nice try buddy WWWTT No buddy, I answered your question buddy. It's completely seperate. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Oh I'm so glad we are buddies again. That is a nice try. You could always explain the comparison in more detail...if you can. Man your a lot of work you know that? If you do not do some of the research yourself then you will never be convinced.And it is not my job to convince you of anything or try to always make sure my grammar is correct(its kind of hard to do when debating three different people at the same time) This ultimately boils down to the athiest style/approach that the Soviets tried to implement. And as far as Afganistan goes athiesm would be a reasonable alternative WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Of course. Why am I not suprised? Soviet Union = good, us and the 10 other countries supporting Afghanistan against Soviet ivasion = bad. Suppoting Afgan terrorists to fight the Soviets you mean! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Shady Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Suppoting Afgan terrorists to fight the Soviets you mean! WWWTT One persons's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. But yes, to fight the Soviets, which was the right thing to do, going by the Soviet record in eastern Europe and even in their own country. Quote
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Man your a lot of work you know that? If you do not do some of the research yourself then you will never be convinced.And it is not my job to convince you of anything or try to always make sure my grammar is correct(its kind of hard to do when debating three different people at the same time) This ultimately boils down to the athiest style/approach that the Soviets tried to implement. And as far as Afganistan goes athiesm would be a reasonable alternative WWWTT lol. Yeah, I'm a lot of work. You're the one that isn't backing up their claims with anything other than simple broad statements. You have very, very simple view of history and when you look at your comments you see that you never even really make any solid argument. Ever. Then when you start to lose you say that it isn't your job to convince me of anything. Ummm, I'm pretty sure debate is a pretty big part of what this forum is all about. And we were in a debate. But if you give up that is ok. And no, you saying that the Soviets were doing world peace a favor doesn't boil down to atheism. Not even a little bit. Do you really see Afghanistan going 'atheism?' Really? Does that seem possible to you? Really? And yeah, spelling is so difficult when typing to a few people. Edited March 20, 2012 by j44 Quote
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 You're the one that isn't backing up their claims with anything other than simple broad statements. You have very, very simple view of history and when you look at your comments you see that you never even really make any solid argument. Ever. Anytime your ready to get back the debate about Afganistan I'm ready time permitting. Are you finished with the insults yet or do you still have something more to add? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Do you really see Afghanistan going 'atheism?' Really? Does that seem possible to you? Really? I was stating an opinion I have. Just as you are. Do you sincerely believe that your opinion has more merit than anyone elses here? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 One persons's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. But yes, to fight the Soviets, which was the right thing to do, going by the Soviet record in eastern Europe and even in their own country. Oh and sure the victims families of 9-11 feel the same as you do WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
DogOnPorch Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 You aswell failed to regognize a parallel I had made with the current situation in regards to Pakistan helping the Taliban in Afganistan.I should also point out that the US has made raids into Pakistan numerous times and will continue to do so(side note here would be that during the Vietnam war the US also took military action in neighbouring Laos and Cambodia) WWWTT Oddly enough, the Communists were doing the same thing in Laos and Cambodia...only they did it first. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 And no, you saying that the Soviets were doing world peace a favor doesn't boil down to atheism. Not even a little bit. Do you really see Afghanistan going 'atheism?' Really? Does that seem possible to you? Really? Anytime your ready to get back the debate about Afganistan I'm ready time permitting. Are you finished with the insults yet or do you still have something more to add? WWWTT You can start by commenting on my above comments and telling me how the jihadists posed a threat to the world in the 80s and elaborating on the Vietnam comments. If you have time of course. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Oddly enough, the Communists were doing the same thing in Laos and Cambodia...only they did it first. Oh ya sorry I forgot about how the Viet-cong used B-52 bombers on Laos and Cambodia to kill 1 million plus inocent civilians in an attempt to target their enemy. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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