DogOnPorch Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Oh ya sorry I forgot about how the Viet-cong used B-52 bombers on Laos and Cambodia to kill 1 million plus inocent civilians in an attempt to target their enemy. WWWTT Rewriting history today, are we? The VC had little if anything to do with the actions in Laos and Cambodia. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 You can start by commenting on my above comments and telling me how the jihadists posed a threat to the world in the 80s and elaborating on the Vietnam comments. If you have time of course. Actually I will start by shutting off the computer and doing something more productville today! I already posted my comments on this subject but you seem determined to control the direction so I will gladly give you the last word! Don't dissapoint me buddy! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Rewriting history today, are we? The VC had little if anything to do with the actions in Laos and Cambodia. He never actually responds directly to arguments. He just makes mostly baseless comments and tip toes (poorly) around any debate. I was stating an opinion I have. Just as you are. Do you sincerely believe that your opinion has more merit than anyone elses here? WWWTT Is it your opinion that the solution to Afghanistan is that they 'go atheism?' And no I don't think my opinions have more merit than anyone elses...but I am thinking they have more merit than yours. Anytime your ready to get back the debate about Afganistan I'm ready time permitting. WWWTT You can start by commenting on my above comments and telling me how the jihadists posed a threat to the world in the 80s and elaborating on the Vietnam comments. If you have time of course. Actually I will start by shutting off the computer and doing something more productville today! I already posted my comments on this subject but you seem determined to control the direction so WWWTT so you gave me from 1:07pm ti 1:21 to reply? That was your permitted time? I think you did the same thing the last time we did this. Jumped ship and said you had better things to do. I think you even put the exact same 'I will gladly give you the last word! Don't dissapoint me buddy!' Exclamation marks and all!!!!!!! I dont see how I am trying to control the direction of this when I have repeatedly asked the same question from the start. How did the jihadits pose a threat to the world? Thanks for playing. I always find it amusing. Edited March 20, 2012 by j44 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 He never actually responds directly to arguments. He just makes mostly baseless comments and tip toes (poorly) around any debate. Claiming a million dead Cambodian civilians from the bombing of the Ho Chi Minh Trail is a wee bit of a giggle. Seems to me the real meat grinder for Cambodia was pulling out of Indochina and leaving it to the Communists: 3+ million dead. But, the hippies thought it a moral victory, I suppose. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wild Bill Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, And the women come out to cut up what remains, Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains An' go to your Gawd like a soldier. Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, Go, go, go like a soldier, So-oldier ~of~ the Queen! ---Kipling http://www.everypoet.com/archive/poetry/Rudyard_Kipling/kipling_the_young_british_soldier.htm Hey, another Kipling fan! Good one, Dog! How about this one: Oh its Tommy this and Tommy that and Chuck 'im out, the brute! But it's "saviour of his country" When the guns begin to shoot! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
DogOnPorch Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Hey, another Kipling fan! Good one, Dog! How about this one: Oh its Tommy this and Tommy that and Chuck 'im out, the brute! But it's "saviour of his country" When the guns begin to shoot! Aye..."Tommy". Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) this isn't some internal feeling that only you can sense and only you are allowed to comment on. this is about your stance on various issues which is displayed for everyone here to see. you are pro-war and a zionist. that automatically puts you on the right. Ah, yeah. Actually, my politics are "some internal feeling" that only I'm allowed to determine - and act on and vote accordingly. As for the "various issues" you speak of, there are actually more issues than the Israel-Palestine conflict - and fyi, everyone on the other side of 'terrorist supporter' isn't a Zionist. Interesting, though, to find out from a stranger that I'm pro-war. Too bad I didn't have that information sooner - it would have come in handy as I opposed the Iraq War. Edited March 20, 2012 by American Woman Quote
bud Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 That is just your opinion. It isn't a fact. how can a person who is pro-war and a zionist be considered a leftist? quit wasting time. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 how can a person who is pro-war and a zionist be considered a leftist? quit wasting time. Good point. Quote
eyeball Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 I opposed the Iraq War. Oh come on, you were in for at least a penny. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bud Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) Ah, yeah. Actually, my politics are "some internal feeling" that only I'm allowed to determine - and act on and vote accordingly. sorry to break it to you buddy; but if you state your positions on different political policies, that gives anyone the right to state where you stand on the political spectrum. As for the "various issues" you speak of, there are actually more issues than the Israel-Palestine conflict - and fyi, everyone on the other side of 'terrorist supporter' isn't a Zionist. Interesting, though, to find out from a stranger that I'm pro-war. Too bad I didn't have that information sooner - it would have come in handy as I opposed the Iraq War. you've supported the iraq war - but i could be wrong because i haven't been here long enough. you've supported the afghanistan war you've supported israel's illegal actions against the palestinians you've supported u.s.' support for israel's illegal actions you, my dear, are not a leftist. Edited March 20, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest American Woman Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Oh come on, you were in for at least a penny. How so? How is one "in for at least a penny" when one opposed it? - You can start by explaining how you were in for at least a penny in spite of your opposition. Quote
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 sorry to break it to you buddy; but if you state your positions on different political policies, that gives anyone the right to state where you stand on the political spectrum. you've supported the iraq war you've supported the afghanistan war you've supported israel's illegal actions against the palestinians you've supported u.s.' support for israel's illegal actions you, my dear, are not a leftist. I really don't know American W's views but can you really say that no leftist can support a war? Ever? Isnt that what you are saying? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 I really don't know American W's views but can you really say that no leftist can support a war? Ever? Isnt that what you are saying? I know this much is true: you can't be any less aware of my views that bud is. I have no idea why he feels a need to speak for me. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 And no I don't think my opinions have more merit than anyone elses...but I am thinking they have more merit than yours. Whats your problem buddy? Why the insults against someones character? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
eyeball Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 How so? How is one "in for at least a penny" when one opposed it? - You can start by explaining how you were in for at least a penny in spite of your opposition. I was in against my will. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bud Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 I know this much is true: you can't be any less aware of my views that bud is. I have no idea why he feels a need to speak for me. have you not supported the afghan war and continue to justify it despite being a big failure? have you not supported the on-going israeli occupation and their wars against the palestinians and lebanese? have you not supported u.s.' continuous support both militarily and politically for israel, despite their aggressive and hawkish behaviour? tell me how someone who supports the above can be called a leftist. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest American Woman Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 I was in against my will. So everyone "was in for at least a penny" then, according to you. Quote
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 have you not supported the afghan war and continue to justify it despite being a big failure? have you not supported the on-going israeli occupation and their wars against the palestinians and lebanese? have you not supported u.s.' continuous support both militarily and politically for israel, despite their aggressive and hawkish behaviour? tell me how someone who supports the above can be called a leftist. So if it was a success would it be left-wing to support it? Some may argue that keeping the Taliban out of Kabul is better for most Afghans and especially women. Wouldn't that be a left-wing-ish argument? Hasn't a big part of the more recent aspects of the war had a lot to do with nation-building? Isn't that a left-wing or even progressive case? If the left argues that cutting Afghanistan off after the Soviets left was a mistake wouldn't helping them build institutions etc now be a left-wing idea? Isn't foreign aid (at least non-military) what leftists are almost always in favor of? Doesn't that help Afghans? Quote
eyeball Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 So everyone "was in for at least a penny" then, according to you. Yes, but I think it's pretty clear you were in for at least a shilling if not half a pound. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
bud Posted March 20, 2012 Author Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) So if it was a success would it be left-wing to support it? leftists are known for being anti-war. so no, don't be ridiculous. i was stating that she's still arguing that the war was justified despite it being a failure. Some may argue that keeping the Taliban out of Kabul is better for most Afghans and especially women. Wouldn't that be a left-wing-ish argument? you're being ridiculous again. do you want me to close my eyes and pretend that there wasn't a military action? Hasn't a big part of the more recent aspects of the war had a lot to do with nation-building? Isn't that a left-wing or even progressive case? the nation building has been a failure as well, despite millions of dollars thrown into it. regardless, no rational leftist would consider bombing a country and then trying to rebuild it as something they'd agree with. If the left argues that cutting Afghanistan off after the Soviets left was a mistake wouldn't helping them build institutions etc now be a left-wing idea? which leftist argue this? Isn't foreign aid (at least non-military) what leftists are almost always in favor of? Doesn't that help Afghans? look above for comments on nation building that follow unnecessary wars. you have once again elected to close your eyes to several other variables, take things out of context in order to blame the left. foxnews would be proud. Edited March 20, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Rewriting history today, are we? The VC had little if anything to do with the actions in Laos and Cambodia. No actually the way I remember it the US was becoming frustrated the Viet Cong continueslly fled into Laos and Cambodia.So Nixon ended up bombing what they believed was the Ho Che Min trail through those countries.Killing hundreds of thousands of civilians. Maybe the numbers are off but they are still up there. May I point out aswell that the US invaded Vietnam. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest American Woman Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 Yes, but I think it's pretty clear you were in for at least a shilling if not half a pound. And I think it's pretty clear that you live in a fog, and reality is not clear to you. Seriously. Perhaps you should stick to speaking for yourself. I, for one, would appreciate it. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 look above for comments on nation building that follow unnecessary wars. you have once again elected to close your eyes to several other variables, take things out of context in order to blame the left. foxnews would be proud. Thanks for pointing that out bud! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
j44 Posted March 20, 2012 Report Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) leftists are known for being anti-war. so no, don't be ridiculous. i was stating that she's still arguing that the war was justified despite it being a failure. you're being ridiculous again. do you want me to close my eyes and pretend that there wasn't a military action? the nation building has been a failure as well, despite millions of dollars thrown into it. regardless, no rational leftist would consider bombing a country and then trying to rebuild it as something they'd agree with. which leftist argue this? look above for comments on nation building that follow unnecessary wars. you have once again elected to close your eyes to several other variables, take things out of context in order to blame the left. foxnews would be proud. Good God. Yeah leftists are known for being anti-war but that doesn't make all leftists anti-war and it doens't make it necessary to be anti-war to be a leftist. So you are essentially saying that you can't argue that it was justified because it was a failure? Aren't you being ridiculous for just looking at the war? Can't you look at the aid aspect of it too? And acknowledge that some on the left can disagree with you? A leftist could have opposed the war to begin with but look at it now and say that aid is helping at least some. To dismiss everything and say it has had no positive affect on anyone in the country is a bit one sided to me. As far as leftists saying that the US could have aided Afghanistan after the Soviets left. Do you want me to list my friends that have said this?? Is it that much of a stretch that some on the left would like to have seen Afghanistan not left to the Taliban with no foreign aid or anything at all to help them make their lives better? Your last paragraph makes no sense. At no point did I close my eyes to anything. You concentrated (and still do) purely on the war side of what is happening and I'm pointing out that there is also aid, nation building. If you can't really see that I'm trying to add balance to the discussion you are the one that is closing their eyes and not me. I know the war has been terrible on Afghans as a whole but you can't ignore that some have been helped but some of the aid going in. How am I blaming the left for any of this? I was saying that people on the left might disagree with you. And of course your Fox news comment just backs up my case. I kinda assumed that you would label everyone that isn't as left-wing as you are as a Republican or Neo-conservative. Edited March 20, 2012 by j44 Quote
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