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[MACKER]

Canada needs to critically examine America's failure to prevent worse than somalia occurrences through American infamous examples.

US forces shot dead 16 civilians including nine children in southern Kandahar province on Sunday, Afghan officials said, in a rampage that witnesses said was carried out by American soldiers who were laughing and appeared drunk.

One Afghan father who said his children were killed in the shooting spree accused soldiers of later burning the bodies.

Witnesses told Reuters they saw a group of U.S. soldiers arrive at their village in Kandahar’s Panjwayii district at around 2 am, enter homes and open fire.

How can we be allies with such incompetent people? How can we consider ever having any form of cooperation with the US military or Police if these are the types of acts their agents conduct. Why have them in Canada if the same could happen here?

Why the hell would you give guns and vehicles to drunk soldiers unless it was an intentional act. there was a massive failure on the part of America in this occurrence.

Note the difference in reports also. One report says more than one, while other reports say only one soldier.

Edited March 11, 2012 by MACKER

[Topaz]

IF this happened, then it could be these soldiers are probably on medication for stress and IF they were drinking, we know that's a no-no. Of course, can't blame them for drinking, who would to be stuck over there.

[Topaz]

I found the link to this and it was one soldier. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/officials-us-member-opened-fire-afghan-civilians-south-100152602.html

[Guest American Woman]

Note the difference in reports also. One report says more than one, while other reports say only one soldier.

It was one soldier. Just as Canada has had single mass murderers, including within your military.

[TimG]

Why is this incident any different from any other mass murder?

Why does the US government bear special responsibility for this killer when other killers doing exactly the same thing are recognized as mentally unbalanced people?

Here is the wiki list of rampage killers. It is not likely complete but it does put the phenomea in perspective. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

This entire op is a self serving exercise designed to give the author an excuse to wallow in his own prejudices.

Edited March 11, 2012 by TimG

[Shady]

How can we be allies with such incompetent people?

If you're referring to the Afghans, I agree.

[eyeball]

Why is this incident any different from any other mass murder?

Why does the US government bear special responsibility for this killer when other killers doing exactly the same thing are recognized as mentally unbalanced people?

One humongous difference that comes to my mind is that the U.S. government is not arming the mentally unbalanced people you're alluding to with heavy weapons.

Edited March 11, 2012 by eyeball

[TimG]

One humongous difference that comes to my mind is that the U.S. government is not arming the mentally unbalanced people you're alluding to with heavy weapons.

So? We are talking about Afghanistan. Anyone who wants a weapons capable of mass murder can get one.

[bush_cheney2004]

One humongous difference that comes to my mind is that the U.S. government is not arming the mentally unbalanced people you're alluding to with heavy weapons.

Oh really?

OTTAWA, May 18 (UPI) -- The Canadian government has ordered 1,300 replacement laser-guided bombs to use in its NATO mission in Libya, defense officials in Ottawa said.

[eyeball]

So? We are talking about Afghanistan.

So why are you citing domestic rampage killers?

Anyone who wants a weapons capable of mass murder can get one.

Except it would be a lot easier if the government supplied them. That would also make them complicit.

See Mayerthorpe.

[Guest American Woman]

One humongous difference that comes to my mind is that the U.S. government is not arming the mentally unbalanced people you're alluding to with heavy weapons.

So did the U.S. government know this soldier was/would become mentally unbalanced - any more than the Canadian government knew that David Russell Williams was a pervert, rapist, and murderer when they made him a colonel - the commander of Canada's biggest air force base?

There is no mystery as to "how something like this could happen," as the world - all of it - does have mass murderers; always has, and sadly, always will. This was a terrible act of murder, but how anyone can blame the U.S. government is difficult to understand - and making this incident about "U.S. - Canada relations" is ludicrous at best.

[TimG]

So why are you citing domestic rampage killers?

Because this incident is no different except US soldiers in Afganistan need weapons to protect themselves so the fact that the killer had a government issued weapon was an unavoidable fact of life.

As said before: this op is nothing but an excuse for people who already hate the US to wallow in their prejudices.

[bush_cheney2004]

OK...let's have some CanAm "fun" with this:

A Canadian soldier has pleaded not guilty of murder in the death of a wounded, disarmed insurgent in Afghanistan.

Capt. Robert Semrau, 36, pleaded not guilty to four charges, including second-degree murder, at his court martial in Gatineau, Que., on Wednesday.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2010/03/24/semrau-gatineau-afghanistan.html

[Michael Hardner]

It's pretty clear to me: sometimes we blame the murder based on his nationality, sometimes his religion... just depends what we're critical of, I guess.

[olpfan1]

Americans are always shooting somebody, it's just their gun culture

Edited March 11, 2012 by olpfan1

[bush_cheney2004]

Americans are always shooting somebody for no reason, it's just their gun culture

Yea...in Canada, they kill people for their panties!

Edited March 11, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[olpfan1]

Yea...in Canada, they kill people for their panties!

I am not just talking about this incident, on the news almost every week if there isn't a school shooting there is a night club shooting or their is a shooting at a birthday party or their is a shooting at a home that kills everybody inside ..its relentless, every week you are guaranteed to read in the news that multiple people were shot and killed in the U.S .. I mean there was just 18 people shot last week at a party

Are you denying that this is true? this isn't about Canada where shootings like those I mentioned do not happen every week

Edited March 11, 2012 by olpfan1

[bush_cheney2004]

Are you denying that this is true? this isn't about Canada where shootings like those I mentioned do not happen every week

Nobody got shot in Canada last week? Let me check.....

Police have identified two brothers as the victims of a double homicide in Toronto's north end Monday afternoon.

Toronto police said Justin Waterman, 18, and Jerome Waterman, 22, both of Toronto, were found suffering from multiple gunshot wounds in the stairwell of a parking garage.

The shootings occurred in broad daylight at 325 Bogert Ave., near Sheppard Ave. West, shortly before 4 p.m. Monday.

Edited March 11, 2012 by bush_cheney2004

[olpfan1]

Nobody got shot in Canada last week? Let me check.....

You don't seem to be getting the point.. mass shootings do not happen every week in Canada like it does in the U.S

[bush_cheney2004]

You don't seem to be getting the point.. mass shootings do not happen every week in Canada like it does in the U.S

Lots of things don't happen in Canada like they do in the U.S. Canada is boring that way!

[olpfan1]

I give up on you BC, you don't seem to want to understand what a mass shooting is, you're probably capable of it but you don't want to look at your country's problem's critically, all you want to do is turn every thread into a Canada did this Canada did that

You're of no value to me at all, good riddance

[Guest American Woman]

It's pretty clear to me: sometimes we blame the murder based on his nationality, sometimes his religion... just depends what we're critical of, I guess.

I think it also depends on whether or not there is a certain element within said nationality or religion that is sanctioning/supporting the murder(s).

This is not behavior that is in any way encouraged, supported, sanctioned by the U.S. government. Such atrocities have always been condemned - as they should.

I find it interesting that at in basically the same time frame, Taliban suicide bomber kills 15 in Pakistan. I haven't heard the Afghan government condemning that, but perhaps I've just missed it?

But again. Presenting this as "U.S. - Canada relations," as if Canada should question being allies with us, as if Canadians lives are in danger because of it - is telling. Odd that you would overlook that.

[eyeball]

Because this incident is no different except US soldiers in Afganistan need weapons to protect themselves so the fact that the killer had a government issued weapon was an unavoidable fact of life.

As said before: this op is nothing but an excuse for people who already hate the US to wallow in their prejudices.

That seems true enough of the OP alright but the thread title's question is passably relevant.

Given how sensitive the situation is in Afghanistan I think it behooves the U.S. government to exercise a lot more control over the people it's armed. How did this guy get outside the wire unauthorized and heavily armed?

[bush_cheney2004]

You're of no value to me at all, good riddance

No value? I offer up this instead:

Dawson College (2006)

Concordia University (1992)

École Polytechnique (1989)

[bush_cheney2004]

....But again. Presenting this as "U.S. - Canada relations," as if Canada should question being allies with us, as if Canadians lives are in danger because of it - is telling. Odd that you would overlook that.

Right...this has nothing to do with the actual incident.

It's just more of the usual, so I am happy to reply with a CanAm Bronx cheer.