did obama bow to AIPAC?

[bud]

the zionist lobby was out in full force this weekend, flexing their muscle. u.s. senators and congressmen who receive millions of dollars from the influential lobby group were also pressing obama. at the end, obama, the salesman made comments that tried to please everyone but he seems to have stuck to his guns. here are some of his comments:

diplomacy?

That is where we are today. Iran is isolated, its leadership divided and under pressure. And the Arab Spring has only increased these trends, as the hypocrisy of the Iranian regime is exposed, and its ally – the Assad regime – is crumbling.

Of course, so long as Iran fails to meet its obligations, this problem remains unsolved. The effective implementation of our policy is not enough – we must accomplish our objective.

In that effort, I firmly believe that an opportunity remains for diplomacy – backed by pressure – to succeed

pleasing the hawks:

Iran's leaders should know that I do not have a policy of containment; I have a policy to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. And as I've made clear time and again during the course of my presidency, I will not hesitate to use force when it is necessary to defend the United States and its interests.

conclusion:

Already, there is too much loose talk of war. Over the last few weeks, such talk has only benefited the Iranian government, by driving up the price of oil, which they depend upon to fund their nuclear program. For the sake of Israel's security, America's security, and the peace and security of the world, now is not the time for bluster; now is the time to let our increased pressure sink in, and to sustain the broad international coalition that we have built. Now is the time to heed that timeless advice from Teddy Roosevelt: speak softly, but carry a big stick.

link

Edited March 5, 2012 by bud

[bud]

there was also the occupy AIPAC, led by young jews who don't recognize AIPAC as their representative

[bush_cheney2004]

there was also the occupy AIPAC, led by young jews who don't recognize AIPAC as their representative

So what does this have to do with President Obama? Or is this just your usual Jew baiting on a slow night in Vancouver?

[olpfan1]

Thought it said "did Obama blow AIPAC?

My answer was going to be yes he did

[bud]

So what does this have to do with President Obama?

it has to do with aipac.

Or is this just your usual Jew baiting on a slow night in Vancouver?

i'm jew baiting by pointing out jews who are speaking out against aipac.

[bush_cheney2004]

it has to do with aipac.

AIPAC is an American lobby, just like any other.

i'm jew baiting by pointing out jews who are speaking out against aipac.

Amazing....Jews have the right to do this?

[bud]

AIPAC is an American lobby, just like any other.

an american lobby group that puts israel before america. an american lobby group whose staff has been caught spying for israel. and you're an american who supports this organization.

what kind of an american patriot are you?

Amazing....Jews have the right to do this?

sort of. as the girl said, "young jews are being silenced on campus". you didn't even watch the video old man.

[bush_cheney2004]

an american lobby group that puts israel before america. an american lobby group whose staff has been caught spying for israel. and you're an american who supports this organization.

Damn straight....I "support" Israel too...with my tax dollars. Maybe you are just jealous because Canada has a much less effective lobby?

what kind of an american patriot are you?

The kind that knows better than to listen to somebody from Vancouver about American interests.

sort of. as the girl said, "young jews are being silenced on campus". you didn't even watch the video old man.

I watched her get ejected....that was fun.

[bud]

Damn straight....I "support" Israel too...with my tax dollars. Maybe you are just jealous because Canada has a much less effective lobby?

you support israel with your tax dollars whether you want to or not. it's not your choice.

you're a fake american patriot. you're an israel firster.

[sharkman]

Great, now Bud's coining Jew baiting terms.

Barry sucked up to AIPAC and how could he not. He finally realizes that Jews are pissed off at the way he's treated Israel and since an election is approaching you'll see him suck up to every lobby or group that he can. But like this nonsense, it'll be nothing more than lip service.

[bush_cheney2004]

you support israel with your tax dollars whether you want to or not. it's not your choice.

No, I literally support Israel with my own money and choices on top of that. I also support Israel by challenging hating Jew baiters on internet forums!

you're a fake american patriot. you're an israel firster.

I will always be more American and patriot than you.

[DogOnPorch]

Is the Term 'Israel-Firster' Anti-Semitic?

So, is "Israel-firster" anti-Semitic? Its origins are certainly anti-Semitic, and the idea that Jews are incapable of being loyal to the country of their citizenship and are only loyal to world Jewry, or the Jewish state, is an age-old anti-Semitic trope. This doesn't mean that those who use it are anti-Semitic. They just might be ignorant, like J Street's Jeremy Ben-Ami, who to my surprise buys into the trope. Obviously, "Israel-firster" is a term deployed by opponents of Israel, and opponents of a close relationship between the U.S. and Israel, to stoke resentment of Jews they find objectionable (though the two most important scapegoating stokers, Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer, have been too sophisticated to use the actual term in their public pronouncements -- though Mearsheimer has clearly gone off the deep end in other ways).

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/01/is-the-term-israel-firster-anti-semitic-updated/251630/

[bud]

I will always be more American and patriot than you.

if you were a true american patriot, you would not be supporting groups like aipac who put israel first and put americans in danger with their agenda.

israel firsters are not american patriots.

[olpfan1]

if you were a true american patriot, you would not be supporting groups like aipac who put israel first and put americans in danger with their agenda.

israel firsters are not american patriots.

You tell him

[DogOnPorch]

You tell him

Tell him what?

[bush_cheney2004]

if you were a true american patriot, you would not be supporting groups like aipac who put israel first and put americans in danger with their agenda.

America is not afraid of such "danger"....that's how it became the biggest and baddest on the planet. America is the Skipper, and Israel is our little buddy!

israel firsters are not american patriots.

How the hell would you know or be qualified to say so? Just because you have a hate-on for Israel and Jews doesn't mean you're right. Have you even been to Israel?

[kactus]

Did obama bow to AIPAC?

You bet he did. That's the US election for you. It's called apeasement!

Over the past week or so Israel has been racheting up taking military alone. On the surface that's what they want to show the world. The problem is the israeli government wants it both ways. Do it alone and appease to US for support. The strategy is to stay close to US even to the extent of 'sucking up' whilst claiming they can do it alone. Do not be under any illusion there is not much love for for the muslim Barak Hussein Obama in the Bibi government.

Edited March 6, 2012 by kactus

[bud]

America is not afraid of such "danger"....that's how it became the biggest and baddest on the planet. America is the Skipper, and Israel is our little buddy!

the skipper and his little buddy got shipwrecked together.

How the hell would you know or be qualified to say so?

how do i know? from your own words. you support an attack on iran even though it's bad for the u.s. you support a group like aipac even though they've been caught spying on israel.

[bush_cheney2004]

the skipper and his little buddy got shipwrecked together.

..and they became stars! Plus they had access to Ginger and Mary Ann.

how do i know? from your own words. you support an attack on iran even though it's bad for the u.s. you support a group like aipac even though they've been caught spying on israel.

Riiiiiiiiiiight...so please tell me where you fit in to this story from sunny Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada? You have no idea what is "good" or "bad" for the USA, but we will let you watch both on TV.

[bud]

..and they became stars! Plus they had access to Ginger and Mary Ann.

they became stars in their own little world and they didn't get any from ginger and mary ann.

i like your comparison.

Riiiiiiiiiiight...so please tell me where you fit in to this story from sunny Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada? You have no idea what is "good" or "bad" for the USA, but we will let you watch both on TV.

another unnecessary war is not good for the u.s. just like iraq wasn't and just like afghanistan wasn't. those two adventures should be enough proof for any level-headed human to understand what a terrible mistake it is. but if that's not enough, experts are also voicing their concerns over u.s. being dragged into another war.

so yeah, i know what's 'good' and what's 'bad'.

you and the rest of baby boomers really f*cked up north america. i know you're old and have lived this life for a long time, but it's never too late to come clean and stop pretending that this system works.

Edited March 6, 2012 by bud

[bud]

wonderful piece from chris hedges:

"The battle for justice in the Middle East is our battle. It is part of the vast, global battle against the 1 percent. It is about living rather than dying. It is about communicating rather than killing. It is about love rather than hate. It is part of the great battle against the corporate forces of death that reign over us . . . And one of the greatest purveyors of this demented ideology of violence for the sake of violence, this flagrant disregard for the rule of domestic and international law, is the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC."

link

[sharkman]

they became stars in their own little world and they didn't get any from ginger and mary ann.

i like your comparison.

another unnecessary war is not good for the u.s. just like iraq wasn't and just like afghanistan wasn't. those two adventures should be enough proof for any level-headed human to understand what a terrible mistake it is. but if that's not enough, experts are also voicing their concerns over u.s. being dragged into another war.

so yeah, i know what's 'good' and what's 'bad'.

you and the rest of baby boomers really f*cked up north america. i know you're old and have lived this life for a long time, but it's never too late to come clean and stop pretending that this system works.

Bud, when your reasoning gives you the above gems, you do more harm for your cause(an end to Israel) on this forum than dozens of misguided threads. The US is not going to be involved in military action on Iran, for starters. But think what you want, the ramblings of misplaced anger may somehow be medicinal for you. Baby boomers can be your friend!

[bud]

Bud, when your reasoning gives you the above gems, you do more harm for your cause(an end to Israel)

oops.

there you go again with misrepresenting my position. i hope you can get this through your thick head, because i'm not sure how many times i have to repeat it:

i want israel to survive and to thrive. at the same time, i want the palestinians to thrive and survive in their own country. the problem is that israel doesn't want to allow a palestinian state and they continue to try to steal more land with the expansion of illegal settlements on palestinian land.

Edited March 6, 2012 by bud

[bush_cheney2004]

another unnecessary war is not good for the u.s. just like iraq wasn't and just like afghanistan wasn't. those two adventures should be enough proof for any level-headed human to understand what a terrible mistake it is. but if that's not enough, experts are also voicing their concerns over u.s. being dragged into another war.

History says that this is not true. America was born of war and has thrived on war, becoming the world's lone superpower in the same way. Wars are very, very, very American.

so yeah, i know what's 'good' and what's 'bad'.

No, what you know is that your hatred for Israel will always be stoked by an unwavering American commitment to Israel and other allies in the region, and there is nothing you can do about it. I actually have more respect for activists like Rachel Corrie, who died for what she believed in trying to block an IDF Caterpillar D-9.

you and the rest of baby boomers really f*cked up north america. i know you're old and have lived this life for a long time, but it's never too late to come clean and stop pretending that this system works.

LOL! And I will keep laughing at foolish young pups like you all the way to the crematorium. Kids!

[DogOnPorch]

LOL! And I will keep laughing at foolish young pups like you all the way to the crematorium. Kids!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDKI1r8wb5Y

Take that, Omega House! bud might make a good Niedermeyer yet.