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[madmax]

Whats the Conservative position today?

[olpfan1]

Whats the Conservative position today?

They're still saying the liberals were using American call centres for robocalling

so nothing has changed other than we all know they are lying

[scribblet]

They're still saying the liberals were using American call centres for robocalling

so nothing has changed other than we all know they are lying

Just as we know that there is not one shred of evidence linking the party to any of it, but keep on pushing it... but - oh wait

where was Ignatieff's team that day - hmmm in Guelph you say - how's that for a conspiracy theory.

[olpfan1]

Just as we know that there is not one shred of evidence linking the party to any of it, but keep on pushing it... but - oh wait

where was Ignatieff's team that day - hmmm in Guelph you say - how's that for a conspiracy theory.

Yes, their is no smoking guns that point to the conservatives yet

so the oppositions are jumping the gun

if it came out that it was lpc or ndp whom did this that party will be DEAD come next election

they will be finished

if it is afterall the cpc .. they'll become irrelevant for the next decade

their is a lot to lose here

[scribblet]

Well this blogger has a smoking gun - so put your tinfoil hats on and chew on this one, or start connecting the dots LOL

http://paulsrants-paulsstuff.blogspot.com/2012/03/does-media-want-real-robocall.html

: "Now with the new information on the throw away phone and the phone number got me thinking new questions. Where was Michael Ignatieff's campaign team on April 30 the day that the phone was activated? Surprise surprise he was in Guelph. Then came the question was he ever in Joliette where I take from the reports that the phone was purchased? Turns out on the 28th they were in Québec city and then traveled down to Montréal. Now I'm not sure if they stopped in Joliette but they passed right by."

Now as far as I can tell, Ignatieff was in Guelph the morning of May 1st for a campaign stop. He was in the area the day before, making a campaign stop in Paris Ontario on the 30th. It's plausible Ignatieff's campaign team stayed overnight in Guelph, or would have been nearby when the phone got activated. As Conservative supporters also claimed to have received misleading phone calls, so much so the the riding association took action to ensure those supporting the party had the right polling booth info, some things seem to line up here.

Could be nothing. Probably is. Then again it hasn't stopped the opposition from finding the PM guilty already without a shred of evidence. So have at it media conspiracy fanatics.

[scribblet]

their is a lot to lose here

Exactly, so why would they do something like this, not only doing it, but pointing phone numbers back to themselves.. really who has the most to gain from this and not much to lose !!

[WWWTT]

Exactly, so why would they do something like this, not only doing it, but pointing phone numbers back to themselves.. really who has the most to gain from this and not much to lose !!

Got news for you,when somebody does something stupid its because just that.

Aswell you now sound like a conspiracy theorist!At least you are in good company.

WWWTT

[olpfan1]

Exactly, so why would they do something like this, not only doing it, but pointing phone numbers back to themselves.. really who has the most to gain from this and not much to lose !!

Why would they do the In & Out? Its clearly unethical and cheating

Might not even be the cpc

who knows

one of the 3 parties are going down

Edited March 5, 2012 by olpfan1

[Guest Derek L]

Well this blogger has a smoking gun - so put your tinfoil hats on and chew on this one, or start connecting the dots LOL

http://paulsrants-paulsstuff.blogspot.com/2012/03/does-media-want-real-robocall.html

: "Now with the new information on the throw away phone and the phone number got me thinking new questions. Where was Michael Ignatieff's campaign team on April 30 the day that the phone was activated? Surprise surprise he was in Guelph. Then came the question was he ever in Joliette where I take from the reports that the phone was purchased? Turns out on the 28th they were in Québec city and then traveled down to Montréal. Now I'm not sure if they stopped in Joliette but they passed right by."

Now as far as I can tell, Ignatieff was in Guelph the morning of May 1st for a campaign stop. He was in the area the day before, making a campaign stop in Paris Ontario on the 30th. It's plausible Ignatieff's campaign team stayed overnight in Guelph, or would have been nearby when the phone got activated. As Conservative supporters also claimed to have received misleading phone calls, so much so the the riding association took action to ensure those supporting the party had the right polling booth info, some things seem to line up here.

Could be nothing. Probably is. Then again it hasn't stopped the opposition from finding the PM guilty already without a shred of evidence. So have at it media conspiracy fanatics.

Interesting indeed….I don’t suppose the MSM has reported this factoid yet

Tin-foil time indeed and with this:

Top Tory organizer denies dirty tricks in last year’s election

“It looks like there is something worth investigating there and that's a concern to me, to you, to all Canadians because the right to vote is sacrosanct and anyone who wants to mess around with that right, interfere with that right is doing not just the Conservative Party, not just the people of Guelph, but all Canadians a disservice,” Mr. Giorno said on CTV’s Question Period.

“I wish Godspeed to Elections Canada and the RCMP investigators. We want them to get to the bottom of this and let’s hope the full weight of the law is applied to any and all,” he said.

Not the statement that one would expect from a guilty person……….My tin foil is telling me the CPC knows something indeed, but the kind of something that won’t get them in trouble……Wouldn’t that be a hypothetical coup if the NDP get’s sued for libel and the Liberals are behind the scandal?

[olpfan1]

Lol, of course he denied it Derek, if he knew anything or not he'd deny it

The CPC denied the in & out scheme for 4 years Derek

So am I to believe someonw for saying they deny it Derek?

huh Derek? tell me Derek, why do anything but deny it Derek?

I suspect whoever did it didn't let the top brass know

[Guest Derek L]

Lol, of course he denied it Derek, if he knew anything or not he'd deny it

The CPC denied the in & out scheme for 4 years Derek

So am I to believe someonw for saying they deny it Derek?

huh Derek? tell me Derek, why do anything but deny it Derek?

I suspect whoever did it didn't let the top brass know

Let’s assume they (CPC) are innocent (Using that whole Jurisprudence theory type thing), what would they have to say, at this time, to garner the benefit of the doubt from you?

[olpfan1]

Let’s assume they (CPC) are innocent (Using that whole Jurisprudence theory type thing), what would they have to say, at this time, to garner the benefit of the doubt from you?

I can't assume they are innocent.. they've been everything but innocent since they won in 2006

[Guest Derek L]

I can't assume they are innocent.. they've been everything but innocent since they won in 2006

If that's your opinion...

[olpfan1]

If that's your opinion...

Based on their record of dishonesty and cover ups since 2006, I'd be surprised if anyone believes them

[UofGPolitico]

I can't assume they are innocent.. they've been everything but innocent since they won in 2006

People like you, even if EC and RCMP clear the Conservatives, will still think they are guilty me thinks.

[olpfan1]

People like you, even if EC and RCMP clear the Conservatives, will still think they are guilty me thinks.

I'll only believe a public inquiry

[UofGPolitico]

I'll only believe a public inquiry

I don't think any of the parties really want a public inquiry, because it most likely will expose some pretty unethical things they also have participated in. Only if EC or the RCMP A) find that this mess spreads beyond Guelph conclusively and B ) implicates some mid to high level people in the Cons does a public inquiry get called I think.

[eyeball]

one of the 3 parties are going down

I'd say the whole political process is circling the drain.

[Smallc]

I'll only believe a public inquiry

At present, we have no idea whether or not a public inquiry is warranted.

[olpfan1]

I don't think any of the parties really want a public inquiry, because it most likely will expose some pretty unethical things they also have participated in. Only if EC or the RCMP A) find that this mess spreads beyond Guelph conclusively and B ) implicates some mid to high level people in the Cons does a public inquiry get called I think.

We need to find out everything of we want to not do it in the future

no matter which parties are guilty

[capricorn]

My tin foil is telling me the CPC knows something indeed, but the kind of something that won’t get them in trouble……

When NDP Comartin, Liberal Garneau and Conservative Del Mastro were on QP today, I picked up on something Del Mastro said that flew right over their heads. (Or maybe I'm wrong and they were playing dumb.) To make the point that not all 31,000 "contacts" EC said they received were necessarily legitimate, he said one of the "contacts" sent to EC was in the name of "Harry Potter". A few pages ago, I posted info on a robo email campaign mounted by leadnow.ca urging individuals to contact EC to demand a public inquiry. I then realized the Conservatives were probably already aware of that campaign and have been monitoring the leadnow.ca site to estimate how many of those names were bogus. They may have uncovered other information in the process.

So like you, I think the Conservatives are on to something. If my gut is right, IMO, they will not make it public themselves but whatever it is they may leak it to the media. And we know the media are hungry as wolves for a story.

Let me check...yup, as you instructed Derek, shiny side of the foil in the outward position.

[madmax]

he said one of the "contacts" sent to EC was in the name of "Harry Potter".

I know of a Harry Potter... and I would imagine there are a few Harry Potters in Canada..

[madmax]

I don't think the Conservatives " Know " anything. They certainly have dropped the ball practically every single day since this story rebroke...

[Topaz]

I would think which ever party did this, will have to keep up on the latest information coming out so they can counter it when asked. I would also think when this plan was set, the party, had to included some of their own riding's, because it would be telling if three of the four parties got robocalls and they didn't. I still think voters will want an inquiry, I want everyone to swear to tell the truth, so they can go to jail if they don't. Do lie detectors really work?

[madmax]

1.How did the fraudsters specifically target opposition voters in order to misdirect them on e-day - i.e. where did the callers get their numbers from? They may have very well compiled the numbers based on previous robocalls where they solicited voter intention. If Racknine was used to gather voter intention data, Racknine would have log records of all calls made and the results of the calls - i.e. a copy of the lists.The Cons also maintain a national database which is fed from a number of sources. If the fraudsters didn't get the numbers from Racknine, another robocalling service provider or the central Con campaign, where did the numberse come from? For me, this is the central question that could implicate the Conservative Party or its operatives or rogues.

2.If Racknine or another robocall service provider was involved in voter intention calls, who actually managed that first round of calls to build the lists? The local campaigns? The central campaign? From where? Did Racknine or other providers just hand over total control. Does their robocalling product have a "user interface" for non-professionals? Did the Conservatives hire a person or people to manage all aspects of the "legitimate" calling (call design, scripts, reporting, scheduling, etc)? Was this done by volunteers? What kind of advice did Racknine or other providers give?

3.Did the same people who put the lists together manage the e-day calling? If not, how did they get the numbers? Don't get distracted by whether or not the service providers were based in Canada or not. That is a red herring.

4.Who had access to the detailed results of any voter intention exercise? Were the results centralized or held at the riding campaign level? Were they provided to a Third Party? If so, was the Third Party registered and audited by Elections Canada? (they would have to be if they spent more than $5,000). If it wasn't a Third Party, then it would have to be the Conservatives - rogue or not because they were the beneficiaries.

5.Racknine must have been aware that its servers were being used on E-day. While clients can legitimately call voters to remind them that it's voting day, they can't "advertise" for or against any candidate or party. Does Racknine do due diligence to inform their clients about these limitations? How much traffic was on their system on E-day? How much of it was not related to the fraudulent calls? Was traffic higher or lower than a "typical" e-day? Also, some of the fraud calls were made before e-day.

6.Where are the log reports of the E-day (or pre-E-day) misdirection calls? These records should show which numbers were called, how many people answered the phone and how long they stayed on the line. This would be vital information if there are any challenges to the results if the number of completed calls was greater than the margin of victory. Racknine would have access to that information for Guelph which has been tied to their servers through Pierre Poutine. I would imagine that Elections Canada got a hold of it in their investigation but wouldn't take anything for granted.