madmax Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 I don't follow twitter and don't have Canadian TV right now, so, is it you saying that or can you provide a link or source. Why would u not have Canadian TV? Quote
madmax Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 @chrishallcbc: CBC News has learned #CPC is reviewing tapes of all calls made by RMG in Thunder Bay before ElxnCan officials arrive next week. #cdnpoli I was around when Nixon reviewed the tapes.. I believe its easier to mask/delete/hide/shred electronic information today... then that 12 minutes of missing tape of the old days.. Of course the Conservatives did nothing wrong... And their Right Hand Partner.. RMG is not in the US.. except that it is and except that a Conservative runs it in the states... oh... I hear they just took his name off the website.... Kneedeep.. Quote
scribblet Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Why would u not have Canadian TV? I'm in Florida, don't have a Canadian satellite.. I'm listening to some Canadian news on the computer right now.. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
madmax Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 After yesterdays Farce with the our Prime Minister I was surprised that such a clever strategist would once again screw up so royally and make himself look guilty in under 24 hours. Perhaps they thought they covered their tracks well enough or could deflect this issue. It made no sense. It reminded me of an old saying by cheaters. Lie, Lie, Lie, Deny, Deny, Deny. Its bad for the Cons and they know it.. I think its really foolish to circle the wagons and think you can get away with the next adscam. My prediction is that while the base is still running around with blinders on.. the Conservatives are going to cut bait sooner then expected. There is no where to go but down.. Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 This link to a The Star article was posted before but it appears to have been pulled. http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/1139653--former-liberal-mp-wrzesnewskyj-in-court-over-etobicoke-centre-voting-irregularities-in-2011?bn=1 However, I found one item in the lawsuit interesting. People voting twice. For instance, in one poll 54 voters whose names were not on the list of registered electors were approved to cast ballots even though they lived in a different polling division, a violation of election rules. Among the 54 were two voters who listed their address as “20 Blue Jays Way”—far from the riding of Etobicoke Centre. In another polling station, the records compiled by the poll clerks indicate several people voted twice, Wrzesnewskyj says. Records of several people voting twice is a serious situation. I wonder if Elections Canada are investigating this. Would be an easy investigation since Elections Canada already has their names and addresses. VH, EC has never had any investigative capacity! Surely you must have had the usual pair of ladies from EC knock on your door, asking how many citizens live there and how many are of age of majority? Have you ever known them to ask for any proof of citizenship? Has ANYONE ever had them ask for such proof? It is purely a "take their word for it" system! Mind you, supposedly party scrutineers at polling stations have the right to challenge someone on the voters'List if they suspect fraud but in practice no one EVER does this! Why? Well first off, the days when polling stations were always in communities small enough so that everyone knew each other are long gone from most of Canada. The world has changed, long ago. Second, it is only common sense that much of the fraud would be in large metropolitan cities like Toronto, Vancouver or Montreal, that have high immigrant populations. Although as a demographic immigrants have become integrated enough to no longer blindly vote Liberal or NDP, there is still much of this going on. So all an immigrant without citizenship has to do to get on the voters' List is to simply say "Yes!" to the EC ladies at the door. I actually asked a couple of EC ladies once about this situation. One started off with the official line about how it is an offence to lie and fraudulently get on the List but I interrupted her, saying I understood all that but how was it relevant - did anyone ever actually CHECK? Both of them immediately clammed up and changed the subject to the weather! In their zeal to get some of their monkeypoo to stick to Harper, the critics are starting to demand EC be micro-managed to check EVERYTHING, assuming that all that will be uncovered would be things to support their witch hunt. It would be ironic indeed if their hunt uncovered something different, such as that EC has almost no budget or resources to investigate problems and far more interesting, irregularities with non-citizens voting in urban ridings with overwhelming support for the Opposition parties! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
madmax Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 I'm in Florida, don't have a Canadian satellite.. I'm listening to some Canadian news on the computer right now.. I am envious... wish i could join u... but at least the weather is nice here. Feels like we are in a banana belt in Ontario this year.. But I would love to have been in Florida and caught the races too lol.. Yeah, stay tuned to the News ... This story has legs... and its going to be an interesting romp. Lots of twists and turns each day.. Quote
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Why have a multi-million dollar inquiry when Elections Canada and the RCMP are already mandated to investigate? What's the matter olp? Don't you have confidence that those institutions can do their job? If they did not catch it then, what makes you think they will catch it now? Only because someone is raising a stink about it? I get the impression they all want this story to just go away. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 lol, it took the CPC a whole day to deny they were going through the tapes ..yeah, like we believe you http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/03/01/pol-robocalls-elections-canada.html The Conservative Party is reviewing tapes of every call made by the Responsive Marketing Group call centre in Thunder Bay, Ont., in the last election before Elections Canada investigators arrive next week, CBC News has learned. Investigators are planning to interview the centre's staff, which the Conservative Party hired to make phone calls to identify and rally supporters in the 2011 federal election. Conservative Party spokesman Fred Delorey denied that Conservative officials are reviewing the tapes. "It's not true," he said in an email to CBC News. Quote
capricorn Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) If they did not catch it then, what makes you think they will catch it now? You mean the complaints filed about the 2011 election? I may be wrong, it's my understanding Elections Canada won't disclose the results of their investigation(s) until the report to Parliament. I get the impression they all want this story to just go away. I gather you mean Elections Canada and the Conservatives? Edited March 2, 2012 by capricorn Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
olpfan1 Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 (edited) I gather you mean Elections Canada and the Conservatives? Elections Canada is incompetent, we need someone competent like a Gomery..yeah, we have the dude who caught the CPC in the in & out scandal but they gave the CPC a very nice and tidy plea deal..instead of serving jail time they just had to pay a weak ass fine...no fines this time! I want jail time here Edited March 2, 2012 by olpfan1 Quote
capricorn Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Statement by Elections Canada. The Office of the Commissioner of Canada Elections confirms that it is investigating complaints received regarding robocalls placed at the 41st general election in 2011.Elections Canada has received a high volume of complaints in recent days as a result of MPs and political parties calling on the public to send information to the agency. More than 31,000 contacts have been initiated with Elections Canada by Canadians. Elections Canada is reviewing these and will take action as appropriate. The Commissioner of Canada Elections has the authority, during periods of high volume, to contract additional resources or call upon other law enforcement agencies, such as the RCMP, to lend assistance and expertise. Like all law enforcement bodies, the Office of the Commissioner generally does not confirm or deny the existence of a complaint or referral, nor does the Commissioner disclose information on the investigations or reviews that he conducts. cont'd http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012/03/02/statement-this-morning-from-elections-canada-on-robocalls/ The release is not yet on the Elections Canada site. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Shakeyhands Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 as for your bold pomposity about Harper Conservatives not cooperating with Elections Canada... ya, make it so! That will really resonate with thinking Canadians, big time! The problem here though Waldo, is that this will have no effect on the support of their base, using your description of course. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
GostHacked Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 I gather you mean Elections Canada and the Conservatives? Along with the RCMP. If the conservatives do not support a full investigation, then I suspect they have something to hide. I am no fan of Harper, never was. But my stance on Harper has no bearing on this issue at hand. It's a bigger issue than just the CPC in my view. There are multiple parties involved, and that will be clearer as time goes on. If we accept this kind of crap with this past election, what will we put up with in future elections??? A precedent needs to be set here. Quote
waldo Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 The problem here though Waldo, is that this will have no effect on the support of their base, using your description of course. I have no problem with you excluding the Harper Conservative support base from my earlier reference to 'thinking Canadians' Quote
cybercoma Posted March 2, 2012 Author Report Posted March 2, 2012 It's a bigger issue than just the CPC in my view. There are multiple parties involved, and that will be clearer as time goes on.If we accept this kind of crap with this past election, what will we put up with in future elections??? A precedent needs to be set here. +1 Quote
capricorn Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 Along with the RCMP. If the conservatives do not support a full investigation, then I suspect they have something to hide. If the Conservatives intended to throw a monkey wrench into an investigation, why did they turn over records to EC? There are multiple parties involved, and that will be clearer as time goes on. I for one will not presuppose anything. If we accept this kind of crap with this past election, what will we put up with in future elections??? A precedent needs to be set here. No one is blocking the EC/RCMP investigation that has the power to impose sanctions. That investigation is being conducted on behalf of Canadians. That to me is evidence that we are not accepting this crap. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
madmax Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 It looks bad for the Conservatives in Guelph. Hiding the Racknine payments through a Party Hacks account. Then Paying the Party Hack an Honorarium (FREE MONEY) of $1100. I have never , ever , ever heard of hiding the payments to a callcentre/autodialer service before. Let alone giving the perpetrator money for doing so. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Quicksand anyone Quote
Boges Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 It looks bad for the Conservatives in Guelph. Hiding the Racknine payments through a Party Hacks account. Then Paying the Party Hack an Honorarium (FREE MONEY) of $1100. I have never , ever , ever heard of hiding the payments to a callcentre/autodialer service before. Let alone giving the perpetrator money for doing so. It just keeps getting deeper and deeper. Quicksand anyone I don't think anyone is disputing Guelph, a riding the Conservatives lost BTW. But why must people extrapolate that what happened in Guelph means the CPC is screwed? No evidence to support such a thing. This will have to get much worse for the people to care about this in 2015. Quote
UofGPolitico Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 I don't think anyone is disputing Guelph, a riding the Conservatives lost BTW. But why must people extrapolate that what happened in Guelph means the CPC is screwed? No evidence to support such a thing. This will have to get much worse for the people to care about this in 2015. Yeah, I mean yeah, it certainly doesn't do the government any favours, coupled with their blunders in deflecting the issue, but we aren't to the point yet were we want to recall this government. I knew this would happen, but listening to some of those callers on Evan's "Powerline" yesterday was almost as sickening as some of the comments from opposition MP's in the HOC. Quote
Wild Bill Posted March 2, 2012 Report Posted March 2, 2012 If the Conservatives intended to throw a monkey wrench into an investigation, why did they turn over records to EC? I for one will not presuppose anything. No one is blocking the EC/RCMP investigation that has the power to impose sanctions. That investigation is being conducted on behalf of Canadians. That to me is evidence that we are not accepting this crap. Watch for it, Cap! There will come a day when the Opposition critics are lambasting the Tories for the amount of money spent by EC in their investigations! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
capricorn Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 Watch for it, Cap! There will come a day when the Opposition critics are lambasting the Tories for the amount of money spent by EC in their investigations! Not if there was a public inquiry as the NDP is insisting. That would be the opposition's baby, to be nurtured and fed for the next couple of years. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Boges Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 Not if there was a public inquiry as the NDP is insisting. That would be the opposition's baby, to be nurtured and fed for the next couple of years. What I heard speculated on Sun News is that these 31,000 complaints that have suddenly appeared out of the blue in the past week will muddy the water so much that EC won't be able to get to the bottom of the problem to the oppositions satisfaction. Therefore an inquiry has to be called. Quote
Jack Weber Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 (edited) What I heard speculated on Sun News is that these 31,000 complaints that have suddenly appeared out of the blue in the past week will muddy the water so much that EC won't be able to get to the bottom of the problem to the oppositions satisfaction. Therefore an inquiry has to be called. I this Ezra Levant/Brian Lilley/Charles Adler speculation rearing it's partisan head? Edited March 3, 2012 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Topaz Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 What I heard speculated on Sun News is that these 31,000 complaints that have suddenly appeared out of the blue in the past week will muddy the water so much that EC won't be able to get to the bottom of the problem to the oppositions satisfaction. Therefore an inquiry has to be called. I agree, if we don't have the answer a year before the elections, then call an inquiry and the first one up for questions should be Sen. Doug Finley, because of his past with Cadman and the in and out scheme and everyone has to be sworn in. Quote
capricorn Posted March 3, 2012 Report Posted March 3, 2012 Statement by New Democrat Leader Nycole Turmel on the investigation by Elections Canada -- We regret the approach the Prime Minister and the Conservative Party have taken. They have tried to mislead Canadians. They have tried to blame the opposition. They have refused to take any responsibility—as they did with the in-and-out scandal, where they claimed total innocence right up to the moment when they pled guilty. Canadians are sick of these scandals. Conservatives promised to clean up Ottawa scandals, instead they have just added new scandals of their own. Worst of all, Conservatives have tried to smear the tens of thousands of Canadians who have come forward with complaints of election suppression and harassment. Serious allegations are being made by well-meaning Canadians. Conservatives must stop their obfuscation and come clean about their role. -- Honest answers are needed to restore faith in our electoral process. If the Prime Minister persists in using the reprehensible tactics he did during this week’s Question Period, if he continues to try and make a farce out of serious allegations while refusing to investigate the Conservative Party and hand over all relevant documents, there will be no choice but to call a public inquiry. Ottawa is broken. But Canadian families can count on New Democrats to fix it. http://www.ndp.ca/press/statement-by-new-democrat-leader-nycole-turmel-on-investigation-by-elections-canada OK. Conservatives hate Canadians...Conservatives mock Canadians...Conservatives are guilty... Question to the NDP. Will there be a public inquiry before or after the EC/RCMP concludes an investigation? And who gets to call the public inquiry? Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.