cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 You inadvertently hit on something punked. What if Quebec was left out because the perpetrators could not produce the messages in French? One has to wonder. Have you not read the articles? The robocalls went out with an announcement in English followed by a different woman repeating it in French. Quote
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 You inadvertently hit on something punked. What if Quebec was left out because the perpetrators could not produce the messages in French? One has to wonder. And they left out BC, places where the NDP was on the gain as well more so then Southern Ontario? Fact is the Cons needed to win some ridings in Southern Ontario and those races were very very close. That seems to be where these calls went to. Again ask yourself what is the simplest answer? Here it is the Cons did some dirty tricks in a very close election (closer in the polls then it turned out on election day) to win a majority they were after for years. Quote
capricorn Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 It's almost certainly the work of a national strategist, who like Gotti has enough of a buffer between himself and the foot soldiers that it will be impossible to finger him. The national campaign strategist would be Guy Giorno. The Conservatives strongly deny suggestions they would do such a thing, and senior Liberals acknowledge they do not believe Conservative campaign chairman Guy Giorno would approve any such campaign. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Dirty+tricks+calls+targeted+Liberal+voters/6209379/story.html Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Before and after Toronto map. http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2011/05/03/li-before-after-map-050311.jpg Yah it looks like the Cons got just the right amount of seats there for their majority. Geeee I wonder who made these calls. Quote
waldo Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 You inadvertently hit on something punked. What if Quebec was left out because the perpetrators could not produce the messages in French? One has to wonder. Racknine operates the service under the name 2call.ca. The calls used a pre-recorded message with a female voice that claimed to be calling on behalf of Elections Canada to direct voters in ridings across the country to the wrong polling stations. The message was recorded in French and in English. Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 (edited) Considering all the calls went into Southern Ontario and none into Quebec where the NDP were actually making gains on the Liberals, I think we know why it was the Cons. Just ask yourself who stood to gain the most from these calls. Come on Bill I thought you were a Reform member, you guys use to not put up with and swallow this BS from your own party. What happened? Most to gain? There is a technical term for that sort of thinking. It's "loser"! Who had the most to lose if or rather WHEN such a thing were to be exposed? Sorry, it still doesn't make sense to me. I would accept that if there was zero chance of discovery any politician might do such a thing. I just can't believe he would do it with so much to lose and so great a chance of discovery. Nobody gets so high up in any organization by being that stupid, no matter how much their rivals would want them to be! Meanwhile, if you want to talk about stupidity, how about being so focused on pinning crap on your opponents that you forget you are spilling some on a third party, such as Racknine, the folks with the dialing machine? Now they are talking a libel suit against the Liberals and NDP! To not see that coming as a direct result of the way they presented their case against the CPC was indeed stupid! They could have done so with no fear at all of any such libel suit! A high school law student could have done better! As for being a Reform member, it's true that I am not happy with the present CPC party. That being said, BS is BS from ANY party! The difference seems to be that some folks who support the NDP or the Liberals will believe ANYTHING bad against the Tories, no matter how far fetched! I would never believe that someone is an alien, reptilian kitten-eater just because he's in the political party that's not my personal choice. However, as far as many posters here on MLW I just can't say the same... Edited February 26, 2012 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 The national campaign strategist would be Guy Giorno. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Dirty+tricks+calls+targeted+Liberal+voters/6209379/story.html The Conservatives don't have a single strategist. The party brass could have decided this. In any case, do you think they're going to come out and say, "Yup! Giorno did it!" Of course they're going to deny it.That's immaterial though. The point is that there needs to be an investigation and if the Conservatives benefitted from illegal means during the election, there should be at the very least by-elections for those ridings. Quote
Guest Derek L Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 The national campaign strategist would be Guy Giorno. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Dirty+tricks+calls+targeted+Liberal+voters/6209379/story.html The Conservatives strongly deny suggestions they would do such a thing, and senior Liberals acknowledge they do not believe Conservative campaign chairman Guy Giorno would approve any such campaign. Is the LPC coming back off the ledge? Perhaps they have learned something to suggest that this fire wasn’t a fire at all……and that smoke, nothing but steam….Or hot air if you prefer. Quote
punked Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Most to gain? There is a technical term for that sort of thinking. It's "loser"! Who had the most to lose if or rather WHEN such a thing were to be exposed? Sorry, it still doesn't make sense to me. I would accept that if there was zero chance of discovery any politician might do such a thing. I just can't believe he would do it with so much to lose and so great a chance of discovery. Nobody gets so high up in any organization by being that stupid, no matter how much their rivals would want them to be! Meanwhile, if you want to talk about stupidity, how about being so focused on pinning crap on your opponents that you forget you are spilling some on a third party, such as Racknine, the folks with the dialing machine? Now they are talking a libel suit against the Liberals and NDP! To not see that coming as a direct result of the way they presented their case against the CPC was indeed stupid! They could have done so with no fear at all of any such libel suit! A high school law student could have done better! As for being a Reform member, it's true that I am not happy with the present CPC party. That being said, BS is BS from ANY party! The difference seems to be that some folks who support the NDP or the Liberals will believe ANYTHING bad against the Tories, no matter how far fetched! I would never believe that someone is an alien, reptilian kitten-eater just because he's in the political party that's not my personal choice. However, as far as many posters here on MLW I just can't say the same... Come on Bill. Seriously? Just look where the calls were made. Everyone knew the Cons were going to win, however where they were in the polls meant they need a large targeting push in the close ridings to get their majority. You are smarting then this. Stop playing dumb, the party you supported has become the reason the Reform was started in the first place. They are enacting Liberal policies, they are using dirty tricks, and you are turning a blind eye because you don't want to be wrong about them. Again many Reform members have left the Cons, some have even joined the NDP because of disgusted they are with what is happening. Maybe you would rather choose to ignore the bad, doesn't sound like a former Reform member to me but I guess we all have a price on our core beliefs. God knows the Conservative party does, that is apparent now. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 The NDP really is the only place for Reformers to go, as they're the only party now that's serious about electoral Reform and abolishing the Senate. The CPC has become the party of patronage and corruption, just like the Liberals. Blue is just a different shade of Red in Canadian politics. Quote
eyeball Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Harper Conservative majority: 14 seats won by a combined total margin of... 6201 votes. Yes, that's right, a total of 6201 votes made the difference - that's it, that's all - 6201 votes. How much does it cost? To win a so-called majority? Only $465.08. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 I'm still wondering if this could lead to the Governor General having the perogative to dissolve a majority parliament because a political party used subterfuge and clandestine means to essentially rig an election in certain ridings they knew were very closely contested??? Don't be absurd. So far no one has even been able to demonstrate that this calls had any affect on the election. Much less that the Tories were responsible. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 The NDP really is the only place for Reformers to go, as they're the only party now that's serious about electoral Reform and abolishing the Senate. If only they were serious about fiscal responsibility and freedom issues. Instead they're serious about screwing over the middle class and putting the jack-boot to the heads of anyone who dares hold an opinion that isn't politically correct. No thanks. I don't need the commissars of the NDP and their re-education camps. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 So far no one has even been able to demonstrate that this calls had any affect on the election. And as far as the Liberal vote is concerned, their seat count has been steadily declining. Of course, they'd hope by-elections would add to their third place 35 seats. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
scribblet Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Certainly, I support an investigation! It's just that Rae and Martin really seem to be going over the top here! ---------------------------- Plus the fact that Rae and Martin have a vested interest in all the publicity they can achieve makes me deeply suspicious of their motives. One thing's for sure, if it all comes out to be a bunch of BS we won't hear any apologies from the Opposition! Well said, but the 'intelligent or not so intelligent left' on here refuses to wait for the facts... tin foil hat time. Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Rick Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Here's some visual evidence for all the sheep who still refuse to believe that the Cons are tied to the fraud and RackNine. http://www.scribd.com/sfharris/d/82589631-Payments-to-RackNine-from-local-Conservative-Campaigns Crime Minister Harper's making Richard Nixon look like a Saint next to him.... Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Wild Bill Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Again many Reform members have left the Cons, some have even joined the NDP because of disgusted they are with what is happening. Maybe you would rather choose to ignore the bad, doesn't sound like a former Reform member to me but I guess we all have a price on our core beliefs. God knows the Conservative party does, that is apparent now. Ah, so that's your game! I've said it many times, punked. I vote CPC only as the party that stinks the least to my nose! That being said, I could NEVER vote for the NDP unless they changed drastically! I could vote for a Tony Blair Labour type party. The federal NDP here in Canada is not even remotely close! If we were up to our asses in alligators and the task of the moment was to recover arms and legs that were chomped off, for hopeful re-attachment at the hospital, the federal NDP would be forming a committee to have alligators declared an endangered species. As for the Liberals, maybe if they paid back about 65 million of the dollars they stole with ADScam I might consider it. As I keep saying, I really have no other choices! So you can fan my dissatisfaction with the Tories all you want. Until the NDP becomes a BETTER choice to my eyes than they are now I will not even consider voting for them! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olpfan1 Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 The first proof of the cpc pretending to be elections canada has been released http://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/7806652272 Quote
ironstone Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Last week Bob Rae was quoted in the Ottawa Citizen as saying that it's unlikely that the man at the top(Harper)did not have full knowledge of this Robocall incident. I guess by his own logic,that means that Jean Chretien must also have had full knowledge,from beginning to end,of the Ad Sponsorship program. No doubt,Elections Canada will follow the wishes of their Liberal advisors and go after the Tories with everything they have. I suspect that when they find the culprit or culprits,they will face a much stiffer penalty than say....the Quebecer's who orchestrated the spoiling of tens of thousands of spoiled ballots in the 1995 referendum. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
eyeball Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 I've said it many times, punked. I vote CPC only as the party that stinks the least to my nose! It could be your nose is deluded Bill, have you ever been tested for synesthesia? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 If only they were serious about fiscal responsibility and freedom issues. Instead they're serious about screwing over the middle class and putting the jack-boot to the heads of anyone who dares hold an opinion that isn't politically correct. No thanks. I don't need the commissars of the NDP and their re-education camps. Did someone spike your coffee with hyperbole liquer this morning? Quote
scribblet Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Here's some visual evidence for all the sheep who still refuse to believe that the Cons are tied to the fraud and RackNine. http://www.scribd.com/sfharris/d/82589631-Payments-to-RackNine-from-local-Conservative-Campaigns Which proves exactly what ! The NDP have also used Rack9 Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 Ah, so that's your game! I've said it many times, punked. I vote CPC only as the party that stinks the least to my nose! That being said, I could NEVER vote for the NDP unless they changed drastically! I could vote for a Tony Blair Labour type party. The federal NDP here in Canada is not even remotely close! If we were up to our asses in alligators and the task of the moment was to recover arms and legs that were chomped off, for hopeful re-attachment at the hospital, the federal NDP would be forming a committee to have alligators declared an endangered species. As for the Liberals, maybe if they paid back about 65 million of the dollars they stole with ADScam I might consider it. As I keep saying, I really have no other choices! So you can fan my dissatisfaction with the Tories all you want. Until the NDP becomes a BETTER choice to my eyes than they are now I will not even consider voting for them! I think you've made up your mind more upon what you believe the NDP is rather than what they actually are. They've moved closer to the center since Alexa McDonough and when Tom Mulcair wins you can take that as an indication that the party is continuing to move towards the center. Quote
Jack Weber Posted February 26, 2012 Report Posted February 26, 2012 Don't be absurd. So far no one has even been able to demonstrate that this calls had any affect on the election. Much less that the Tories were responsible. Of course,in the part you quoted,at no time did I mention the Tories...My question was of a more general procedural nature... But being the intellectual leviathan you are...You clearly knew that and your "outrage" was simply for effect,yes? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
cybercoma Posted February 26, 2012 Author Report Posted February 26, 2012 I guess by his own logic,that means that Jean Chretien must also have had full knowledge,from beginning to end,of the Ad Sponsorship program. Of course he did. Anyone that thinks otherwise is fooling themselves. Quote
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