Shakeyhands Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Yeah what's the deal with that? He should be re-hired! BTW didn't vikileaks30 about being in Ottawa. Why would he lie about his location if he didn't want people to know who he was? Afterall what he was doing was perfectly fine right? Perfectly legal anyway, you know, as opposed to suppressing voters. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
UofGPolitico Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) So why are the Tories having a committee meeting with Mr Carroll, who has admitted his guilty and spending money to questioning him. I bet the first question will be, Mr Carroll, are you the only person in this situation or did Bob Rae and the Liberals help you. So if we spend money on this committee then we can spend money on finding out WHO to charged with voting fraud,isn't this what the investigation is all about? IF the Tories did nothing wrong, open up the information. We were talking about a public inquiry, not a parliamentary committee. We can have a parliamentary committee when an actual Conservative staffer has been proven to be responsible for the robo calls. That has not happened yet. I do think the Carroll affair is a waste of time and is an obvious channel changing tactic by the Tories, but Carroll has been implicated. Edited March 1, 2012 by UofGPolitico Quote
j44 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Here's that argument again. You're just dismissing me because you think I'm a Conservative supporter. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/29/pol-robocalls-poor-losers.html?cmp=rss The Elections Canada investigation prompted by misleading calls to voters during the final days of last May's election is spreading, CBC News has learned. The growing probe will involve interviews with some employees of a call centre based in Thunder Bay, Ont., operated by Responsive Marketing Group. The company was hired by the Conservatives to reach out to voters. It was not immediately clear whether the interviews in Thunder Bay are directly connected with the continuing investigation by Elections Canada in Guelph. A former employee of the RMG call centre in Thunder Bay told CBC earlier this week that some staff were poorly trained and that could be one reason why voters may have been given false information about polling station locations. Quote
Cameron Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I love it. This is better than the playoffs! More, More, More! Quote Economic Left/Right: 3.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.26 I want to earn money and keep the majority of it.
olpfan1 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/story.html?id=6230877 someone harrassing liberals in bairds riding actually impeded an old man from voting for the first time we don't believe you angry baird Quote
cybercoma Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Posted March 1, 2012 You're just dismissing me because you think I'm a Conservative supporter. It's not personal, j44. Everytime someone uses the argument "But _________ did it too" or any variation thereof, I plan on pointing it out. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Posted March 1, 2012 http://www.ottawacitizen.com/touch/story.html?id=6230877 someone harrassing liberals in bairds riding actually impeded an old man from voting for the first time we don't believe you angry baird I really wish someone would make an animation replacing baird's head making various facial expressions for the birds in that game. Quote
huh Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/02/29/pol-robocalls-poor-losers.html?cmp=rss The Elections Canada investigation prompted by misleading calls to voters during the final days of last May's election is spreading, CBC News has learned. The growing probe will involve interviews with some employees of a call centre based in Thunder Bay, Ont., operated by Responsive Marketing Group. The company was hired by the Conservatives to reach out to voters. It was not immediately clear whether the interviews in Thunder Bay are directly connected with the continuing investigation by Elections Canada in Guelph. A former employee of the RMG call centre in Thunder Bay told CBC earlier this week that some staff were poorly trained and that could be one reason why voters may have been given false information about polling station locations. Thats great news, i guess we can stop with the blanket allegations against the government and wait for the findings. Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Thats great news, i guess we can stop with the blanket allegations against the government and wait for the findings. Yes, hopefully it will all just go away too. I mean, that's how it's always worked when the shoe was on the other foot right? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
mentalfloss Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I love it. This is better than the playoffs! More, More, More! As I get older, I'm realizing that politics has always been better than the playoffs. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Posted March 1, 2012 I guess it is only the political crowd that is following the story. And anyone that watched the 11 o'clock news yesterday. Quote
mentalfloss Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Two good articles released by G&M this morning about the discourse in the house on this matter. Tories lose control of agenda as they try to ride out robo-call storm From cautious discipline to denial and accusation: the Tory line on robo-calls Quote
Topaz Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I would say that all Canadians of all parties want to find out who made the calls. So... yesterday, its was pointed out that Elections Canada asked the government to give them more power to investigate this and the government said no and the Tory sitting there, just sat there and didn't deny it. Why? Why won't the government give the powers that Elections Canada needs? It was also pointed out that this investigation could go into the next election and beyond. Quote
Boges Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I really like this quote. Mr. Speaker, what the Liberal Party will not accept is that the overwhelming majority of Jewish voters voted for the Conservative Party of Canada. If the member has any proof of any such campaign he should provide that detailed information to Elections Canada, as we certainly have done and are prepared to do. Otherwise, in the absence of information, I will just conclude that nine months after an election these are smears that have appeared out of nowhere. This is a typical Liberal tactic. Where is the beef? Where is the proof? If you have any evidence, please present it. We have presented all the information we have to Elections Canada. Now STFU! Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I really like this quote. If you have any evidence, please present it. We have presented all the information we have to Elections Canada. Now STFU! Classy. Why do YOU hate democracy? Why don't YOU want to get to the bottom of who is committing these illegal acts? Something, clearly, is not right in Denmark. It can't be that you are just thrilled that your guys won, could it? Does anything go? Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Wild Bill Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 The growing probe will involve interviews with some employees of a call centre based in Thunder Bay, Ont., operated by Responsive Marketing Group. The company was hired by the Conservatives to reach out to voters. So the Tories used a call centre. Wow! What a news flash! Of course, EVERY party used call centres, either third party or volunteer! Wow again! If that isn't proof positive of something fishy, what else could? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Boges Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Classy. Why do YOU hate democracy? Why don't YOU want to get to the bottom of who is committing these illegal acts? Something, clearly, is not right in Denmark. It can't be that you are just thrilled that your guys won, could it? Does anything go? In that quote did he not say he has co-operated with Elections Canada. Also has RackNine also not said it will co-operate with any investigation? Quote
Shakeyhands Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 In that quote did he not say he has co-operated with Elections Canada. Also has RackNine also not said it will co-operate with any investigation? Yup. "Elections Canada" - Did you do it? "RackNine" - Nope.... "Elections Canada" - Ok, then. Carry on. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
cybercoma Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Posted March 1, 2012 The 11 o'clock news did not provide the ridings where the 127 poll locations were moved. In fact I have never seen in any news report to date, the ridings where the 127 poll locations were changed. If you don't know that is fine, perhaps someone who does know the information can provide it. That has nothing to do with what I was responding to. You made the claim that only the political crowd is following this. I'm telling you it was the top story on the 11 o'clock news, so anyone in the country that watches the news has been given the details of this. CTV even ran a graphic with a map of all the affected ridings. Quote
UofGPolitico Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 (edited) That has nothing to do with what I was responding to. You made the claim that only the political crowd is following this. I'm telling you it was the top story on the 11 o'clock news, so anyone in the country that watches the news has been given the details of this. CTV even ran a graphic with a map of all the affected ridings. I think its safe to say anyone who reads a newspaper, turns on the t.v. news or has a social network chances are they have heard about this story. Whether or not it resonates with people outside this so called political crowd, that is a different story. Edited March 1, 2012 by UofGPolitico Quote
Bryan Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 I would say that all Canadians of all parties want to find out who made the calls. So... yesterday, its was pointed out that Elections Canada asked the government to give them more power to investigate this and the government said no and the Tory sitting there, just sat there and didn't deny it. Why? Why won't the government give the powers that Elections Canada needs? It was also pointed out that this investigation could go into the next election and beyond. What exactly does "more power" mean? What do they want EC to do beside evaluate the evidence that the opposition claims they have? As I pointed out in an earlier post in this thread, neither the opposition nor Elections Canada are going to get a look at anything that could give them an understanding of the inner workings of the Conservative election campaigns. Quote
cybercoma Posted March 1, 2012 Author Report Posted March 1, 2012 I think its safe to say anyone who reads a newspaper, turns on the t.v. news or has a social network chances are they have heard about this story. Whether or not it resonates with people outside this so called political crowd, that is a different story. The possibility of massive electoral fraud? That ought to resonate with people. If it doesn't, they don't deserve to live in a democratic country. Quote
olpfan1 Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 Facepalm So today the CPC were blaming the LPC for the electoral mischief calls coming from America ...according to Del Mastro but it seems that the CPC got American Prime Contact and Canadian Prime Contact confused LOL good god Quote
capricorn Posted March 1, 2012 Report Posted March 1, 2012 So the Tories used a call centre. Wow! What a news flash! Of course, EVERY party used call centres, either third party or volunteer! In Question Period, the Conservatives presented information that shows the Liberals had several contracts with a call centre located in North Dakota in the last election to make calls on the part of Liberals. One contract alone amounted to over $25,000. Consider the information in the following Feb. 25 media article. Whoever was organizing the calls appears to have been working from lists of Liberal supporters, which could have been compiled through voter-identification calls that all the parties use.--- Some Liberals also suspect that someone with access to their lists may have given or sold numbers to the callers. The deceptive live calls were all made into ridings where Liberals and Conservatives were in tight races, but there were no such calls in some of the ridings that the Conservatives were working hard to take from the Liberals. High-profile Liberal MPs at the top of Conservatives' target list - such as Ruby Dhalla and Mark Holland - were not targeted. --- Across the country, other campaigns were getting similar reports: fake Liberals calls. The call display often showed a North Dakota tele-phone number - 701-509-8703 - which Internet message boards show is often used for fraudulent credit card scams. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Fake+election+callers+blitzed+ridings/6208851/story.html If the Conservatives held contracts with that North Dakota call centre, I doubt they'd put their necks out by presenting that info in the House. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the calls coming out of North Dakota were the result of glitches in the lists of supporters Liberals turned over to the call centre and the call centre cocked it up. Throw in Elections Canada changing poll locations, some 127 in total across the country, and what you end up with is total chaos. The Conservatives, however, suggest it was merely ham-fisted Liberal calls.The Conservatives say public records show Liberal ridings across Canada spent more than $1-million on firms such as First Contact and Prime Contact that telephone electors to seek support and call people to gauge their support. First Contact calls itself “the leading Canadian supplier of call centre services to Liberal candidates and office-holders in Canada.” Long-time Liberal MP Joe Volpe, who was defeated in the closely fought Toronto riding of Eglinton-Lawrence last year, complained that electors were flooded with repetitive and harassing phone calls, falsely made in his campaign's name. Call display showed the calls as originating in North Dakota, he said. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/pushing-back-on-robo-calls-tories-blame-liberals-for-electoral-mischief/article2355453/ There you have it. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
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