International Elections

[TheNewTeddy]

With 37% of the vote in, counting is as follows.

Government: (current coalition, pro-austerity)

113 ND (right)

44 PASOK (left)

TOTAL: 157 (150 needed for Majority)

Swing: (Pro-Austerity, may remain with Government)

18 Dem L (left)

TOTAL: 18

Opposition: (Anti-Austerity)

47 SYRZIA (left)

32 Ind Grk (right)

25 Communist

21 NAZI (like, self-proclaimed NAZI)

0 LAOS (accused of being NAZI)

TOTAL: 125

Others: (I'm unable to determine their position on Austerity)

0 Grn (Green)

0 Dem All (moderate)

TOTAL: 0

Edited May 6, 2012 by TheNewTeddy

[TheNewTeddy]

Uugh... so it turns out there are 3 OTHER countries also having elections today.

Serbia

Which I can not find data on (current counts)

Armenia

The party of the President has won the Parliamentary elections. No exact numbers yet. His party uses Swastikalike symbols, and is full of former Communists; it has the ability to be dictatorial... but seems to choose not to. Unsure if this is a win or loss for the "good guys" as this party seems to be a catch-all of good AND bad guys.

Italy

Local elections. No results yet, polls may not have even closed.

[TheNewTeddy]

http://ekloges.ypes.gr/v2012a/public/index.html?lang=en#{"cls":"main","params":{}}

Dark Blue = Ind Greeks

Laikos = NAZI

Dimokratiki Aristera = Dem Left

Edited May 6, 2012 by TheNewTeddy

[TheNewTeddy]

Italy:

No results until tomorrow.

Serbia:

Presidential Runoff

Greece

ND and PASOK have a total of 154 at this stage of counting, a similar number to over an hour ago, and thus, they are set to win a combined majority.

[TheNewTeddy]

ND and PASOK have now effectively lost their majority (exactly 150 seats)

[TheNewTeddy]

FRANCE

51.67% Hollande (Socialist)

48.33% Sarkozy (Conservative)

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SCHLESWIG-HOLSTIEN

Expected New Government

22 SPD

10 GRN

3 SSW (Danish)

35 TOTAL (35 needed for majority)

Old Government

22 CDU

6 FDP

28 TOTAL

6 Pirates

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GREECE

108 ND

52 SYRZIA

41 PASOK

33 INDGRE

26 KKE

21 NAZI

19 DEML

Pro-Bailout Coalition

149 ND+PASOK

On the fence

19 Dem Left

Oppose Bailouts, non psycho

111 SYRZIA+KKE+INDGRK

NAZI, no really, like NAZI-Salute NAZI

21 NAZI

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SERBIA

run off expected in Presidential race between a pro-democracy and pro-milocevic candidate.

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ARMENIA

Government retains government

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ITALY

Voting ends tomorrow

[TheNewTeddy]

Democratic Left has announced they will not support a pro-bailout government.

[TheNewTeddy]

Independent Greeks have announced they will not back the Coalition. This leaves ND and PASOK without anyone else willing to sit with them. The ND leader announced that he would likely stop trying to form a coalition tomorrow. This means the leader of SYRZIA will be able to attempt to form a government. Any SYRZIA lead coalition will need the backing of all the parties save the NAZI and ND parties. It's likely they could indeed achieve this, but such a coalition (5 parties) would be very unstable.

ND will try to offer a coalition to SYRZIA, if that fails, we will likely see a SYRZIA lead coalition.

In Armenia, the winning party has won 71 of the 131 seats, a majority.

In Serbia, the Parliament was also elected.

73 - SNS - Right - Pro Milosevic - Pro Europe?

68 - DS - Left - Pro Democratic - Pro Europe

44 - SPS - Left - Pro Milosevic - Anti Europe

21 - DSS - Right - Pro Democratic - Anti Europe

20 - LDP - Centre - Pro Democratic - Pro Europe

16 - URS - ??? - Pro Democratic - Pro Europe

Syria, such as it is, is holding elections today.

The Bahamas are as well.

Last election, the FNM won 21 seats, they are centre-right, while the PLP won 19, they are centre-left.

A third party, the DNA, won a seat. The first time a 3rd party won seats since 1977. DNA could win many more this time.

They seem populist in nature.

On the 10th of May, Algeria goes to the polls

The 20th of May will see Presidential elections in the Dominican Republic

On the 23rd and 24th of May, Egypt will elect it's President (first round)

Lesotho will be voting May 26th for a new Parliament

Ireland has a referendum on the 31st

Sometime around here, Palestine will have national elections.

The 10th of June will see the first round of French Parliamentary elections (17th for the second round)

Libya will finally get to vote on June 19th

Other places voting in June include PNG, Mongolia, Iceland, Czech, and the Congos.

There are no subnational elections of interest until October (thank god)

[-TSS-]

That Golden Dawn is a rather disturbing bunch of people. They are throwing all immigrants out and would place land-mines in the border against Turkey. However, speaking of immigrants, given the mess the Greek are in I don't think there is a long queue of people wanting to come to Greece except as a transit country to move elsewhere in Europe.

[nittanylionstorm07]

I think the best chance of government out of the current Greek mess is one lead by SYRIZA including KKE, INDGRE, DEMLEFT, and PASOK. I do believe with its socialist leanings that PASOK would be more likely to support that coalition than ND.

If that doesn't work, then they will be heading to the polls again.

[TheNewTeddy]

ND has failed to form a government, and SYRZIA will get the attempt starting in the morning.

[TheNewTeddy]

SYRZIA is attempting to make a coalition, but the "experts" are not hopeful.

In Italy, the Northern Alliance, the semi-possibly-racist and separatist and anti-government party has increased it's share of vote and seats, no exact numbers yet.

In Russia, Putin has finally been sworn in as President. He has nominated Medvedev as Prime Minister.

Putin can serve for 8 years, so in 2020 he will have to hand back to Medvedev, who can hand back in 2024. The same in 2032, 2036, then 2044, and by then cyborg putin will probably change the constitution

[-TSS-]

I wonder how long can those two guys, Putin and Medvedev, make fun of the Russian people all by the two of themselves.

[TheNewTeddy]

The Communists have refused to sit with SYRZIA, at least, at this time. That means that a coalition of all the other anti-bailout parties would need to include the NAZI party, which nobody will sit with. SYRZIA is therefore in talks with ND, which might seem like an odd coalition, but this sort of thing has happened in Japan before.

Just to note, Greece has had a military coup due to instability in the past...

[TheNewTeddy]

SYRZIA has failed to cobble together a coalition. PASOK will now get a chance... of course they were the ones who caused this mess. Expect them to fail.

A note on names. Different media sources use different names. Here is the full list.

Acronym (English) = Party Name (English) = Acronym (Greek) = Name (Greek) = Name (Greek Alphabet) = Acronym (Greek Alphabet) = Similar Canadian Party or Movement (so you can compare the ideology)

ND = New Democracy = ND = Néa Dimokratía = Νέα Δημοκρατία = ΝΔ = Harper's Conservatives

SYRZIA = Coalition of the Radical Left = SYRIZA = Synaspismós Rizospastikís Aristerás = Συνασπισμός Ριζοσπαστικής Αριστεράς = ΣΥΡΙΖΑ = "The Waffle" of the 70's/80's NDP

PASOK = Panhellenic Socialist Movement = PASOK = Panellnyo Sosyalystyk Kneema = Πανελλήνιο Σοσιαλιστικό Κίνημα = ΠΑΣΟΚ = Trudeau's Liberals

INDGRK = Independent Greeeks = ANEL = Anexartitoi Ellines = Ανεξάρτητοι Έλληνες = ΑΝΣΛ = Manning's Reform

DEMLFT = Democratic Left = DIMAR = Dimokratiki Aristera = Δημοκρατική Αριστερά = ΔΗΜΑΡ = Layton's NDP

COM = Communist Party = KKE = Kommounistikó Kómma Elládas = Κομμουνιστικό Κόμμα Ελλάδας = ΚΚΕ = Left of the 1940's Communist Party of Canada (Stalinist)

NAZI = Golden Dawn = CHA = Chrysi Avg = Χρυσή Αυγή = ΧΑ = Far right of Jim Keegstra (NAZI)

[-TSS-]

There is likely to be another election in Greece in a short time to come.

[jbg]

There is likely to be another election in Greece in a short time to come.

I wouldn't be shocked if we wound up with a military government a la the 1960's. I don't advocate it but I think I remember similar chaos back then.

[TheNewTeddy]

Supposedly, PASOK has convinced DIMAR to sit with them, but DIMAR is skittish about sitting with ND. PASOK has a good argument, a new poll shows that another election would result in ND losing it's 50 free seats (the party that wins the most votes gets 50 extra seats, to help form a government with) and that SYRZIA is willing to withdraw Greece from the Euro, not just reject the bailouts.

PASOK actually might be able to pull this off. They need to convince ND that if they say no, there will be no stopping Greece from withdrawing from the Euro, and perhaps the EU. They need to convince DIMAR of the same, but also, that SYRZIA might decide not to sit with DIMAR should they win enough seats.

It's an interesting position to be in.

[TheNewTeddy]

In the Bahamas, the left leaning PLP has won 29 seats, knocking the right of centre FNM out of government and down to 9 seats.

The DNA has lost it's only seat and no longer has any MPs.

In Algeria, the ruling party has won 220 of the 462 seats. They will likely be able to find the 12 additional members they need for a majority.

[-TSS-]

I think Greece can only be saved by returning to the drachma and devaluing it. That would lead to a sharp fall in the living standards of the people and possibly to massive civil unrest and emigration but sticking with the euro seems to be worst of all the possibilities.

[TheNewTeddy]

The problem is that doing that would lead to economic hardship for the rest of the EU and the world.

Back in the 1800's we had "where's my money bitch" wars. Now I'm not suggesting we invade Greece and force them to pay back their loans, but keep the context in mind

[dre]

The problem is that doing that would lead to economic hardship for the rest of the EU and the world.

Back in the 1800's we had "where's my money bitch" wars. Now I'm not suggesting we invade Greece and force them to pay back their loans, but keep the context in mind

Defaults are an important capitalist corrective mechanism though. You cannot force someone to service an unservicable debt.

When you invest money in something that doesnt work out you are SUPPOSED to lose your money.

[TheNewTeddy]

Looks like there will be another election in Greece. Here are the current poll averages turned into seats:

122 - SYR - Short by 29

61 - ND

39 - PAS

28 - ANE

18 - KKE

17 - DIM

15 - XA

[dalitis]

I am new in here, and I do not know if this forum is right-leaning or left-leaning, but I am from Cyprus (the Greek part that is not under Turkish occupation) and I am quite familiar with Greek politics.

It is now definite, that Greece will have new elections in June. This is a positive development for my money, since the results of the last one, did not give any meaningful mandate to any of the political parties in that country.

The momentum is with the left-wing SYRIZA party, led by Tsipras, the youngest political leader in Greece.

His program revolves around re-negotiating the terms of the bailout memorandums in terms more tolerable to the Greek populace.

Another point, the defeat of the two centrist parties (PASOK and ND) was a historical event in Greek history, and could possibly provide a foretaste for developments in the rest of Europe in the coming period.

[-TSS-]

SYRIZA and Golden Dawn will increase their share of the vote. Since the latter is a party no other party wants to have anything to do with they are heading for another gridlock.

The Golden Dawn party is playing on people's fears of immigrants. In some parts of Athens were elderly people are afraid to conduct their businesses like going to ATM's to withdraw money, the party has volunteered to give free "bodyguard-services" at request hoping that those people would remember the party at the polling booth as well.