bud Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time. ---Khomeini Iran’s position, which was first expressed by the Imam Khomeini and stated several times by those responsible, is that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region. ---Khamenei This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the arena of time. ---Ahmadinejad Now, if I were an Israeli, I wouldn't be too worried about the semantics. Any way you cut this message of peace from Iran it comes out as hostile. http://www.jcpa.org/text/ahmadinejad2-words.pdf hello? regime? yes. the zionist regime should be removed just like the khamenei regime should be removed. this should be done by their own people. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 (edited) hello? regime? that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region You say that to me across the fence and we have a problem, buuuuudddy. yes. the zionist regime should be removed just like the khamenei regime should be removed. this should be done by their own people. I know you'd like Israel to be replaced by an Arab Palestine. Your guys have tried by force many times to eliminate Israel for reasons other than your beloved Al-Quds and the al-Husseini clan's dream. Not sure they're capable on their own without an Iranian atomic device. But, you can always hope for instant sunshine. Edited February 11, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 that the cancerous tumor called Israel must be uprooted from the region You say that to me across the fence and we have a problem, buuuuudddy. that to me sounds like he doesn't accept the state of israel. i have yet to see anything from him or ahmadinejad calling for the genocide of jewish people. I know you'd like Israel to be replaced by an Arab Palestine. Your guys have tried by force many times to eliminate Israel for reasons other than your beloved Al-Quds and the al-Husseini clan's dream. Not sure they're capable on their own without an Iranian atomic device. But, you can always hope for instant sunshine. ? can you for once surprise me and not go into your turrets mode? "your beloved terrorist.. blah blah blah.." stfu already. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 that to me sounds like he doesn't accept the state of israel. i have yet to see anything from him or ahmadinejad calling for the genocide of jewish people. ? can you for once surprise me and not go into your turrets mode? "your beloved terrorist.. blah blah blah.." stfu already. Typical. When faced w/ the truth it's "STFU already". Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted February 11, 2012 Report Posted February 11, 2012 Problem with that is that the NPT does not ban enrichment, in fact enrichment is a RIGHT of NPT signatories. None of Irans nuclear facilities are illegal or in violation of the NPT. Its actually the UN thats violating the NPT here by demanding a halt to enrichment. And I'm actually tired of treaties that tie harmless countries in the West into knots while doing nothing to stop aggressive dictatorships who are unconstrained by public opinion. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Guest Peeves Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 hello? regime? yes. the zionist regime should be removed just like the khamenei regime should be removed. this should be done by their own people. Meantime. The Arabs in Israel are better off than the Arabs in Persia. When it comes to regimes, Israeli Arab citizens can openly fearlessly speak out against their regime, openly pray to what ever, wear in most places pretty much what they want, write, print, use the media freely, practice homosexuality and gay parades without fear of hanging and fear only rockets from other Arabs and Persians. Iran...not so much. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 Problem with that is that the NPT does not ban enrichment, in fact enrichment is a RIGHT of NPT signatories. None of Irans nuclear facilities are illegal or in violation of the NPT. Its actually the UN thats violating the NPT here by demanding a halt to enrichment. "Article IV acknowledges the "inalienable right" of NNWS to research, develop, and use nuclear energy for non-weapons purposes. It also supports the "fullest possible exchange" of such nuclear-related information and technology between NWS and NNWS." Enrichment of uranium is used also to make a bomb. Coincidentally work is also being done in Iran on long range missiles with nuclear payload and detonator capability. So the question to you and those in a similar camp might be, "Do yo believe Iran IS, OR is not persuing a nuclear missile capability? It seems quite apparent to most (not you perhaps?), that Iran's course in developing enriched uranium extends to the capability of atomic war heads on long(er) range missiles that they are developing at the same time. Now given Iran's present and past leaders outspoken threats and attitude to Jews, Israelis and Israel proper, would you stand by and let another Holocaust be committed? "In November 2011, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors rebuked Iran following an IAEA report detailing how Iran had undertaken research and experiments geared to developing a nuclear weapons capability.[5] For the first time, the IAEA report outlines, in depth, the country’s detonator development, the multiple-point initiation of high explosives, and experiments involving nuclear payload integration into a missile delivery vehicle.[6][7] Iran rejected the details of the report and accused the IAEA of pro-Western bias[8] and threatened to reduce its cooperation with the IAEA.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran Quote
Guest Peeves Posted February 12, 2012 Report Posted February 12, 2012 http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/print/ Excerpt: "The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people. The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide. Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a “‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.” The article, written by Alireza Forghani, an analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine. If I were an Israeli this might be construed as a threat of genocide. Some interpretation follows of the articles in the particular vernacular of the author. ? Farsi? It's quite a piece that is apparently now being widely disseminated in th Arab world. http://www.alef.ir/vdcepw8zwjh8ewi.b9bj.html?142262 Quote
bud Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Meantime. The Arabs in Israel are better off than the Arabs in Persia. the arabs in israel are better off than iranians in iran. what's your point? the government in iran is pretty shitty. no kidding. the picture that you try to paint is that the iranian government is somehow against jews and they want to ethnically cleanse the earth from jews and that's why we should attack iran. the problem that you have is that the iranian government has not shown any aggression towards jews. their beef is with the government of israel and u.s. When it comes to regimes, Israeli Arab citizens can openly fearlessly speak out against their regime, openly pray to what ever, wear in most places pretty much what they want, write, print, use the media freely, practice homosexuality and gay parades without fear of hanging and fear only rockets from other Arabs and Persians.Iran...not so much. so what? we all know there is discrimination in iran towards many different groups and their dislike for freedom of speech. what does that have anything to do with your chicken little cries about the iranian government wanting to kill jews around the world? Edited February 13, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Meantime. The Arabs in Israel are better off than the Arabs in Persia. When it comes to regimes, Israeli Arab citizens can openly fearlessly speak out against their regime, openly pray to what ever, wear in most places pretty much what they want, write, print, use the media freely, practice homosexuality and gay parades without fear of hanging and fear only rockets from other Arabs and Persians. Iran...not so much. That is wildly inaccurate. They fear death by stoning, decapitation or being thrown off cliffs. I think hanging (link to "postcards of the hanging") was reserved for Saddam Hussein. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
dre Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 "Article IV acknowledges the "inalienable right" of NNWS to research, develop, and use nuclear energy for non-weapons purposes. It also supports the "fullest possible exchange" of such nuclear-related information and technology between NWS and NNWS." Enrichment of uranium is used also to make a bomb. Coincidentally work is also being done in Iran on long range missiles with nuclear payload and detonator capability. So the question to you and those in a similar camp might be, "Do yo believe Iran IS, OR is not persuing a nuclear missile capability? It seems quite apparent to most (not you perhaps?), that Iran's course in developing enriched uranium extends to the capability of atomic war heads on long(er) range missiles that they are developing at the same time. Now given Iran's present and past leaders outspoken threats and attitude to Jews, Israelis and Israel proper, would you stand by and let another Holocaust be committed? "In November 2011, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Board of Governors rebuked Iran following an IAEA report detailing how Iran had undertaken research and experiments geared to developing a nuclear weapons capability.[5] For the first time, the IAEA report outlines, in depth, the country’s detonator development, the multiple-point initiation of high explosives, and experiments involving nuclear payload integration into a missile delivery vehicle.[6][7] Iran rejected the details of the report and accused the IAEA of pro-Western bias[8] and threatened to reduce its cooperation with the IAEA.[9] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_program_of_Iran It seems quite apparent to most (not you perhaps?), that Iran's course in developing enriched uranium extends to the capability of atomic war heads on long(er) range missiles that they are developing at the same time. Yeah I was apparent to most that Saddam had gigantic WMD programs and stockpiles too. Your assumptions and 2 bux might get you on the bus. So the question to you and those in a similar camp might be, "Do yo believe Iran IS, OR is not persuing a nuclear missile capability? Who knows. I know I would definately pursue nukes if I was them. Not only have they already been the target of brutal western backed invasions where chemical and biological weapons were used against their people, but you have moronic rhetoric like the whole "axis of evil" thing. Iran is a country that really does NEED a nuclear deterrent. In any case nobody with an IQ higher than about 65 believes Iran is going to up and nuke Israel even if they were able to build a functional weapon at some point. This is about changing the balance of power in the region. The west likes things the way they are now... they can casually stroll in, topple regimes at will, install puppets to keep the oil flowing etc. Its easy to understand why they dont want to give that up. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olpfan1 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Iranians are never going to nuke anybody plus Israel is the country who will not cooperate with the world and tell us how many nukes they have! Quote
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 kactus: So what? After the revolution many Iranians left Iran. They lost their wealth and money and were not even jewish. Whether jew or non-jew why do you mention one group??? Yes alot of Iranians did leave, but not 3/4 of the population, That has to send up some red flags, when 3/4 of the jewish population flees...for their lives, dropping everything and just start running...It's not a SO WHAT but rather shit Huston we have a problem....Those that remained could not afford to leave, or they would have ....Which paints another picture everything in Iran is not roses for the jewish population but rather a much larger problem. The law in Iran states that any ethnic minority in Iran has a representative. Jews have representative as do many other ethnic groups. Whether there is a flaw or not with the system why should there be preferential terms for one group and not the others? It's a law of convinence for optics only, you can see that right....There is no preferential treatment, all they are looking for is the same treatment...one law does not make everyone equal....Making waves in the Iranian parliment would be to attact unwanted attention... So what? This has been the case even before the 1979 revolution.... No it was not, Iran infact had close ties with Israel, Iran was the second Muslim-majority country to recognize Israel...Israel viewed Iran as a natural ally as a non-Arab power on the edge of the Arab world, in accordance with David Ben Gurion's concept of an alliance of the periphery. Israel had a permanent delegation in Tehran which served as an unofficial de facto embassy. There was no travel bans, or restrictions, infact alot of Israelis construction companies were working in Iran... Your Vid eidence is BS...when he said he went to North America then on to Israel...How could have he, it is again'st the law, punishable by death... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Who knows. I know I would definately pursue nukes if I was them. Not only have they already been the target of brutal western backed invasions where chemical and biological weapons were used against their people, but you have moronic rhetoric like the whole "axis of evil" thing. Iran is a country that really does NEED a nuclear deterrent. Because this is what the world needs another 5 year old running around a full kichen with a screaming chain saw...and you saying relax nothing is going to happen....Your betting a lot of lives on something we don't know 100 % i think we should do the Adult thing and prevent them from having the chance... In any case nobody with an IQ higher than about 65 believes Iran is going to up and nuke Israel even if they were able to build a functional weapon at some point. This is about changing the balance of power in the region. The west likes things the way they are now... they can casually stroll in, topple regimes at will, install puppets to keep the oil flowing etc. Its easy to understand why they dont want to give that up. You really think that the west is going to piss it pants and allow Iran to get away with anything just because the own a nuc or two....we squared off again'st Russia and how many did they have...How long do you think the west is going to let Iran black mail the world into wiping Israel off the map... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
bud Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) Those that remained could not afford to leave, or they would have .... that's b.s. because israel has repeatedly offered all iranian jews major incentives to move to israel but they chose not to. many wealthy iranians left iran after the revolution and during the iran/iraq war. Edited February 13, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest Peeves Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 That is wildly inaccurate. They fear death by stoning, decapitation or being thrown off cliffs. I think hanging (link to "postcards of the hanging") was reserved for Saddam Hussein. HUH? Inaccurate? Where was it inaccurate? That doesn't happen in Israel. Quote
Army Guy Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 that's b.s. because israel has repeatedly offered all iranian jews major incentives to move to israel but they chose not to.many wealthy iranians left iran after the revolution and during the iran/iraq war. Not Israel but rather a wealthy Isrealis, has made the offer, and it's not a major incentive, well it would be if you considered 3000 LBS major, to leave a country were they control your movement, and travel destinations just how are you planning to get out of the country....then start over in a new country.... many wealthy iranians left iran after the revolution and during the iran/iraq war. I did not say they did not, what i asked was did 3/4 of the Irainian population leave, as that is what happened to the Jewish population, thats a good sign everything is not OK in Iran....It's a red flag... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jbg Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 HUH? Inaccurate? Where was it inaccurate? That doesn't happen in Israel. No,what I'm saying is that hanging is rare in Iran. It's usually decapitation, stoning, or being hurled off cliffs there. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bud Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 No,what I'm saying is that hanging is rare in Iran. It's usually decapitation, stoning, or being hurled off cliffs there. do tell of all these decapitations, stoning and cliff throwings as opposed to hangings. do you have numbers to support your b.s.? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Not Israel but rather a wealthy Isrealis, has made the offer, and it's not a major incentive, well it would be if you considered 3000 LBS major, to leave a country were they control your movement, and travel destinations just how are you planning to get out of the country....then start over in a new country.... no. you're b.s.ing again. the money and offers were made with israel's official blessing and were additional to the usual state packages it provides to Jews emigrating from the diaspora. to downplay the amount of money is dishonest: Iran's Jews have given the country a loyalty pledge in the face of cash offers aimed at encouraging them to move to Israel, the arch-enemy of its Islamic rulers. The incentives — ranging from £5,000 a person to £30,000 for families — were offered from a special fund established by wealthy expatriate Jews in an effort to prompt a mass migration to Israel from among Iran's 25,000-strong Jewish community. The offers were made with Israel's official blessing and were additional to the usual state packages it provides to Jews emigrating from the diaspora. However, the Society of Iranian Jews dismissed them as "immature political enticements" and said their national identity was not for sale. "The identity of Iranian Jews is not tradeable for any amount of money," the society said in a statement. "Iranian Jews are among the most ancient Iranians. Iran's Jews love their Iranian identity and their culture, so threats and this immature political enticement will not achieve their aim of wiping out the identity of Iranian Jews." The Israeli newspaper Ma'ariv reported that the incentives had been doubled after earlier offers of £2,500 a head failed to attract any Iranian Jews to leave for Israel. Iran's sole Jewish MP, Morris Motamed, said the offers were insulting and put the country's Jews under pressure to prove their loyalty. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jul/12/israel.iran Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 can you guys stop trying to spread misinformation? why do you have a need to lie or exaggerate things? why so desperate to sell these lies? why can't you be honest and state facts? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 can you guys stop trying to spread misinformation? why do you have a need to lie or exaggerate things? why so desperate to sell these lies? why can't you be honest and state facts? Fact: Iran is building ICBMs. Fact: Iran is enriching Uranium. Fact: Iran supports terrorist groups. Fact: Iran called for Israel to vanish from the pages of time or some other similar friendly message. Fact: They've been absolute bastards since 1979. This equals trouble in anybody's books except Iran apologists like yourself. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 Fact: Iran is building ICBMs. Fact: Iran is enriching Uranium. Fact: Iran supports terrorist groups. Fact: Iran called for Israel to vanish from the pages of time or some other similar friendly message. Fact: They've been absolute bastards since 1979. This equals trouble in anybody's books except Iran apologists like yourself. while: fact: israel has nuclear weapons fact: israel refuses to sign the NPT fact: israel refuses to allow inspection fact: israel has repeatedly violated international law fact: israel and u.s. has repeatedly said that 'all options are on the table'. fact: israel has funded and trained a terrorist group, MEK, to carry out terrorist activities inside iran. fact: israel has been an absolute bastard towards the palestinians since it came into existence. why are we not calling for an attack on israel? Quote http://whoprofits.org/
olpfan1 Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 while: fact: israel has nuclear weapons fact: israel refuses to sign the NPT fact: israel refuses to allow inspection fact: israel has repeatedly violated international law fact: israel and u.s. has repeatedly said that 'all options are on the table'. fact: israel has funded and trained a terrorist group, MEK, to carry out terrorist activities inside iran. fact: israel has been an absolute bastard towards the palestinians since it came into existence. why are we not calling for an attack on israel? I think the world should tell both Iran & Israel to shut the hell up Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 13, 2012 Report Posted February 13, 2012 (edited) while: fact: israel has nuclear weapons fact: israel refuses to sign the NPT fact: israel refuses to allow inspection fact: israel has repeatedly violated international law fact: israel and u.s. has repeatedly said that 'all options are on the table'. fact: israel has funded and trained a terrorist group, MEK, to carry out terrorist activities inside iran. fact: israel has been an absolute bastard towards the palestinians since it came into existence. why are we not calling for an attack on israel? Because they're a friendly former NATO proxy. Iran is a pit of vipers supporting international terrorism. BTW, can you describe one of these Israeli nuclear weapons to me and give a date and place where it was tested? Please save your Vela Incident for a poster with no knowledge of atomic weapons. You say it's a fact, afterall. Or are we talking more 'bud facts'?? Edited February 13, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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