The_Squid Posted January 3, 2012 Author Report Posted January 3, 2012 While I don't like the idea of another gov't office even though the budget is pretty small, ... If it is not necessary, then whether it is considered "small" or not is irrelevent. It is still a waste of taxpayers money. this office is not about domestic freedoms, it's about promoting religious tolerance in other countries, why don't people understand that. Is that what it is about? How can you tell? There are no public consultations and the potential members of this office are a secret. The Gov't of Canada could propmote human rights in general without creating a special office for religious persecution. Are we going to have a gay persecution office as well? Why not? Quote
cybercoma Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 How about we fund offices on the status of women? Oh wait... that was one of the things they axed. Quote
WWWTT Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 The most Christian of nations are several African and S. American nations. Is everything rosy in these Christian nations? Is that what you are getting at? Rwanda is ~94% Christian. I find it odd that the Philippines is not near the top of this list? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Tilter Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 (edited) Here are the most religious countries: Egypt Bangladesh Sri Lanka Indonesia Congo Sierra Leone Malawi Senegal Djibouti Morocco UAE Least Religious: Estonia Sweden Denmark Norway Czech Republic Azerbijan Hong Kong Japan France Mongolia Belarus Source: http://www.gallup.com/poll/114211/Alabamians-Iranians-Common.aspx I don't think that your hypothesis is correct. I would say that the least religious countries tend to have an excellent set of moral values. The most religious countries are the most likely to have human rights issues and strife. Now, admittedly, there are a lot of other factors, however, looking at the least religious nations, I don't think it is possible to say that the more religious a country is ergo they have a "better defined value system". This post is about religion not zelotism (if that were a word) The countries you posted as the most religious--- aren't-- they are the countries with the best ability to associate social dictatorship and oppression as a religion. This is a religion? http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ Edited January 6, 2012 by Tilter Quote
dre Posted January 6, 2012 Report Posted January 6, 2012 Hmmm I wonder what it the prominent religion in most these countries. It doesnt matter. In general the least religious countries seem to have the best values and the highest standard of life. About 1/2 of the countries found in the top ten in human development index, are also found in the top ten of the least religious countries. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Uncle 3 dogs Posted January 7, 2012 Report Posted January 7, 2012 http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/10/03/pol-office-religious-freedom.html What happened to government restraint and cuts? is this going to be a way for religious groups to prosthelize abroad with Canadian government support? And I take issue with Baird's statement "where religion and democracy have vanished, good faith and reason in international affairs have given way to strident ambition and brute force." It is patently false. Where religion has disappeared, the exact opposite is true. The least religios countries in the world certainly don't use "brute force" in their international affairs. "The freedom to believe or not to believe is also a protected right."What we really need is something to protect us from religion. Concept a Quote
Machjo Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 If you really don't like the Office of Religious Freedoms, just make it work to your advantage. Once it's set up, start a letter-writing campaing and petition to have it investigate our constitution with regards to the monarch having to be a member of the Church of England and being prohibited from marrying a Catholic, and the special privileges granted certain religious communities with regards the Separate school system not granted to other religious communities. I can guarantee that an unrelenting letter-writing campaign and petition to open the Constitution would make this office a pain in the Conservatives' backside and before you know it the Conservatives would want to scrap the office while the NDP would be supporting it. It's all what you make of it. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Boges Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 It doesnt matter. In general the least religious countries seem to have the best values and the highest standard of life. About 1/2 of the countries found in the top ten in human development index, are also found in the top ten of the least religious countries. Typical moral relativism. All religions are the same right? China isn't a terribly religious nation how is their standard of life? The United State on the otherhand is very religious. Countries like France and Sweden may not be strong in regards to Western religions but they are opening themselves up to Muslim influence more and more. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 If you really don't like the Office of Religious Freedoms, just make it work to your advantage. Once it's set up, start a letter-writing campaing and petition to have it investigate our constitution with regards to the monarch having to be a member of the Church of England and being prohibited from marrying a Catholic, and the special privileges granted certain religious communities with regards the Separate school system not granted to other religious communities. I can guarantee that an unrelenting letter-writing campaign and petition to open the Constitution would make this office a pain in the Conservatives' backside and before you know it the Conservatives would want to scrap the office while the NDP would be supporting it. It's all what you make of it. This is seriously a fantastic idea. Quote
Machjo Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 This is seriously a fantastic idea. If you can't beat it, join it. So if you can't stop this colossal waste of money from being established, then at least put it to productive use. After all, if it doesn't know how to remove religious discrimination from our own constitution, it clearly won't be any more successful elsewhere either. Think of this as training. Once it figures out how to remove such discrimination from our own constitution, then it wil have more expertise to be able to replicate this success abroad too. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
Machjo Posted January 9, 2012 Report Posted January 9, 2012 This is seriously a fantastic idea. By the way, if this office is established, I'm definitely going to send it an email and also write a letter by hand asking that it recommend the Government open the constitution with regards to requiring the monarch to be Anglican and prohibiting the monarch from marrying a Catholic and the separate school system. Then i'd send it a hand-written letter each year from then on in. Quote With friends like Zionists, what Jew needs enemies? With friends like Islamists, what Muslim needs enemies?
-TSS- Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 I'm always looking to consider other views - could you name a couple of countries where religion and democracy have either vanished or been suppressed....and those countries are viewed as good places to live? Religion being vanished and religion being suppressed are not exactly the same things, at least not always. I think the former Eastern-Bloc countries are still the most atheist countries in the world except Poland. Quote
Bonam Posted January 28, 2012 Report Posted January 28, 2012 People who believe in something higher than themselves would seem to be more likely to have a better defined value system. Er... why would it seem that way to you? Quote
guyser Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 (edited) Our constitutional rights continue to be eroded by Human Rights Commissions and lawyers. Such as ? Edited February 1, 2012 by guyser Quote
cybercoma Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Our constitutional rights continue to be eroded by Human Rights Commissions...This doesn't make any sense. The HR Commissions' responsibilities are to uphold the Charter Rights (perhaps you're thinking of the US when you say Constitutional Rights) of people. Quote
The_Squid Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Posted February 1, 2012 Our constitutional rights ... This seems rather random. What does your post have to do with Harper's Office of Religious Freedom silliness? Quote
g_bambino Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Once it's set up, start a letter-writing campaing and petition to have it investigate our constitution with regards to the monarch having to be a member of the Church of England and being prohibited from marrying a Catholic... Interesting. But, nobody is prohibited from marrying a Catholic. The sovereign and anyone in the line of succession are free to marry anyone they want; it's just that there are consequences if that anyone is Catholic: abdication for the monarch and removal from the succession for the rest. Also, the Act of Settlement specfically says that the king or queen of Canada must be in "communion with the Church of England". I don't know if that means they have to hold to the church's faith or not. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Such as gay rights overriding Religious Freedom. Both of those areas ARE our rights though. When they conflict, the system has to resolve it. To say "our constitutional rights continue to be eroded by Human Rights Commissions" says to me that all of our rights are eroded, not that the courts have to resolve rights where they conflict. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
The_Squid Posted February 1, 2012 Author Report Posted February 1, 2012 Tell this to Ted Kindos, owner of Gator Ted’s Tap and Grill in Burlington who was slapped with a Human Rights complaint for not allowing a patron to come into his establishment to smoke his medical marijuana. Than one cost him more than a few bucks. Yes, that is a particularly agregious Human Rights Tribunal ruling. But what does this have to do with the Office of Religious Freedom that the Harper gov't established? Quote
guyser Posted February 1, 2012 Report Posted February 1, 2012 Such as gay rights overriding Religious Freedom. Perhaps I should have said show me an example. (As in what was overidden and why?) Quote
g_bambino Posted February 2, 2012 Report Posted February 2, 2012 This doesn't make any sense. The HR Commissions' responsibilities are to uphold the Charter Rights (perhaps you're thinking of the US when you say Constitutional Rights) of people. The Charter is a part of the constitution. The rights spelled out in the Charter therefore, technically, are constitutional rights. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 2, 2012 Report Posted February 2, 2012 Regardless of what you want to call them, the point is that the commisions' responsibility is to uphold those rights. Quote
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