monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Boges says: What definition of the holocaust are you working on? So because Jews may have died because they were forced into slave labour and denied rights it somehow makes it less obscene? I think that if that's your definition of the holocaust then it certainly would make it less obscene. I don't think I've ever heard anyone minimalize the holocaust in that manner before. It wouldn't be my definition at all! The Holocaust is loosely defined by the treatment of Jews throughout the entire 3rd reich. No it isn't and again I have never seen that sort of description that plays down the holocaust claims in that manner. This is about equivalent to saying that that whites in the US south during the early sixties were guilty of a holocaust against blacks! It's rather a disgusting analogy in my opinion. - For example the Neuemberg Laws that denied Jews of basic human rights. - Or the Warsaw Ghetto - Or the Holocaust by bullets where thousands of innocent people were shot. Again, none of those above would a holocaust make. Not even the most egregious of the three which minimalizes the holocaust to the shooting of 'thousands' of innocent people. You need to learn to use the word 'holocaust' in it's proper place and that place is exclusively the holocaust we're talking about. Not what the US did to hundreds of thousands of Iraqis on false pretenses. The holocaust and holocaust claims stand by themselves and are not to be mistaken with other atrocities against human beings. Check the baloney detector again and get back to me. Those are all elements of the contemporary opinion of what the holocaust was. The gassing is only the most obviously offensive element of how we understand what happened. This is not in agreement with our JBG who practically says the opposite. That is, the gassing was minimal compared to other means of putting Jews to death during that timeframe. check the baloney detector again to see where it applies. This has become a debate among others besides me. I have not taken a position and won't. I'm finding that you people are doing the work for me and will understand much better when you reach a conclusion. If you do? Maybe then I will commit to being either pro or con. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Well, since their are no Polish Jews left to confirm their abuse at the hands of the Nazis there is no proof that it even occured...errrrr....ummm. There was the word of John Paul II who kinda sorta confirmed it... Whoopsee... Monty does'nt like Faith based Dogma and all... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Well, since their are no Polish Jews left to confirm their abuse at the hands of the Nazis there is no proof that it even occured...errrrr....ummm. Again you spew an untruth. There are plenty of Polish Jews alive today who lived through the holocaust. There are also plenty of firsthand accounts from Polish Jews. If you want to do something worthwhile here why don't you ferret them out and determine if they are consistent? I'm really beginning to lean toward the suspicion that you and some others here are not consistent in the least. You come off as uneducated and nothing but a parrot repeating what you have heard without actually understanding anything you say. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Meh...we have the Wannsee minutes. Heydrich...that joker. Pretending to wipe out a people. Must have been April 1st. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 There was the word of John Paul II who kinda sorta confirmed it... Whoopsee... Monty does'nt like Faith based Dogma and all... John Paul II? Was that the Nazi sympathizing pope? Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Again you spew an untruth. There are plenty of Polish Jews alive today who lived through the holocaust. There are also plenty of firsthand accounts from Polish Jews. If you want to do something worthwhile here why don't you ferret them out and determine if they are consistent? I'm really beginning to lean toward the suspicion that you and some others here are not consistent in the least. You come off as uneducated and nothing but a parrot repeating what you have heard without actually understanding anything you say. Wrongo,sport... If you think we are wrong and you are minimalizing The Holocaust,that's your job... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Meh...we have the Wannsee minutes. Heydrich...that joker. Pretending to wipe out a people. Must have been April 1st. Now you are starting to act like a petulant child and that loses my attention. You'll have to do better if you want to convince anyone of your revisionist theories of the holocaust. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Now you are starting to act like a petulant child and that loses my attention. You'll have to do better if you want to convince anyone of your revisionist theories of the holocaust. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 John Paul II? Was that the Nazi sympathizing pope? Nope.. That's Benedict... John Paul went to Jerusalem late in his life and asked for forgiveness for the inaction of The Vatican during The Holocaust... Went to the Wailing Wall to pray,as well... It's called Christian Virtue" and the act of Atonement for previous sins... Oops...I forgot...That's silly Sky God stuff... "Still...Trying...To..Own...The...Board..." Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
DogOnPorch Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Wrongo,sport... If you think we are wrong and you are minimalizing The Holocaust,that's your job... Revisionist!!! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Wrongo,sport... If you think we are wrong and you are minimalizing The Holocaust,that's your job... You're not keeping up Jack. At the moment I'm talking to a few loonies who are trying to trivialize the holocaust. I'm taking the side of the believers because it would be wrong to not question their nonsense. I can easily take the other side too if it becomes the believers who start telling tall stories. Pay attention Jack. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Now you are starting to act like a petulant child and that loses my attention. You'll have to do better if you want to convince anyone of your revisionist theories of the holocaust. Mutlisylabic words make you lose your attention... Good to know... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 You're not keeping up Jack. At the moment I'm talking to a few loonies who are trying to trivialize the holocaust. I'm taking the side of the believers because it would be wrong to not question their nonsense. I can easily take the other side too if it becomes the believers who start telling tall stories. Pay attention Jack. Actually...You made the specious claim that Poles selling out Jews they knew to the NAZI's was a theory.... Now it's up to you to prove it... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 I'm guessing around 1-2 million were gassed. I don't see much of a difference between gassing, Einsatzgrupen (mobile killing squads), inevitably fatal experiments and fatal mass forced labor coupled with starvation and disease. You were beginning to build credibility right up until you went overboard and mentioned disease. You don't get away with tht jbg. check the baloney detector rules again. Quote
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Actually...You made the specious claim that Poles selling out Jews they knew to the NAZI's was a theory.... Now it's up to you to prove it... That's not even clever Jack. I said that I had heard the theory, not that it was my theory. over and out Jack. Quote
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Mutlisylabic words make you lose your attention... Good to know... Some teenagers should never attempt to spell big words such as multisyllabic and macaroni. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 That's not even clever Jack. I said that I had heard the theory, not that it was my theory. over and out Jack. It's right up there with the theory of D-Day. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 (edited) Some teenagers should never attempt to spell big words such as multisyllabic and macaroni. When in doubt,mock someone's spelling to deflect the fact they are clueless to history... It should be noted that I've consumed 1/2 a bottle of Makers Mark tonight... So much for the teenager reference...Lit up in 90 proof bourbon and still keeping up with you... Not a badge of honour,Monty.. Still waiting for the "owning"... Edited December 29, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 That's not even clever Jack. I said that I had heard the theory, not that it was my theory. over and out Jack. A weak deflection... Could you simply tell us your "theory" instead of claiming your pseudosuperiority,if you please? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Homework for tonight: Find references to gassing of Jews using a lethal gas expressly manufactured for that purpose, then find statistics to show where these gassings took place. Estimates varying by milllions or even hundreds of thousands will be rewarded with a 'Fail' mark. This exercise becomes necessary because holocaust revisionits on this thread are disagreeing with each other to the tune of millions!! revisit the baloney detector again. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 Mutlisylabic words make you lose your attention... Good to know... Heydrich is also a myth. Prove that he existed. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted December 29, 2011 Author Report Posted December 29, 2011 I'm thinking that alot of people who claim to be "progressive" really don't know what it means... After reading the original posts,I think It's getting a little clearer (it might also be the bourbon ) I think alot of "Rabble-type" progressive use the term a a self-congratulatory term while being derisive to others.Mainly because if one is'nt "progressive" they are inherently regressive and backwards.. In this conotation,however,it seems "progressive" intimates a progression of a certain thought to a logical conclusion...If that's the case,it applies to many things in modernity. As it relates to things like Eugenics,it was a popular theory/idea of the late 1800's and early 20th century espoused by the likes of Oliver Wendall Holmes,Thomas Edison,William Shockley (probably not the best example),even,Tommy Douglas (an ordained Presbyterian minister who eschewed the theories later on).Eugenics theories were not the sole domain of the NAZI party,however,they did carry them to their inevitable conclusion... Hare...Hunter...Field... If you want to know the history of Eugenics, this is a short video (10 mins) that gives a concise explanation of its history: Quote
monty16 Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 A weak deflection... Could you simply tell us your "theory" instead of claiming your pseudosuperiority,if you please? No Jack, I won't. And the reason why I won't is because by staying neutral I have eliminated any effective argument you could pose against my position. And besides Jack, you would just be more ignorant and insulting toward me if you actually knew how to oppose my opinion. As it is, you haven't the slightest idea and you can do no more than speculate and make a fool of yourself every time you open your cakehole. Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 No Jack, I won't. And the reason why I won't is because by staying neutral I have eliminated any effective argument you could pose against my position. And besides Jack, you would just be more ignorant and insulting toward me if you actually knew how to oppose my opinion. As it is, you haven't the slightest idea and you can do no more than speculate and make a fool of yourself every time you open your cakehole. In other words...Chicken $#!+...And you got nothing??? And the only fool is you who has: 1.Claimed to "own" this board in a few weeks... 2.Hid behind some pseudointellectual superiority that no one has seen... Keep in mind,you're being bested by someone who is drunk on Makers Mark... Perahps you should start drinking? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Guest Manny Posted December 29, 2011 Report Posted December 29, 2011 I believe the nazi sympathizer pope was Pius 12. However I didn't google it, so could be wrong. It happened once Quote
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