Topaz Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 At a committee hearing on the G8, the opposition want the AG to return and asnwer more questions, but the controlling Tories saying no way. Here's a another parliament rule they are out to change among many others that they have already have changed and not for the good of the country, only them. http://ca.news.yahoo.com/chill-setting-auditor-general-commons-committees-sources-222341990.html Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Nothing new for the Harper gov really. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
g_bambino Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Here's a another parliament rule they are out to change Care to elaborate on what that rule is, exactly? Quote
Moonbox Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Psst. Topaz. Your phone lines are bugged too. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Tilter Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Yes but I think a peice of the falling sky fell on the Bug's transmitter & broke it. :lol: Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Golly gee, Harper's a control freak! Chretien was a control freak! What the hell is new? EVERY PM of a majority government is a control freak! Next we'll be told that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west! Are these folks new or what? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Moonlight Graham Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Found this also disturbing from a Globe & Mail article on the topic: The public accounts committee has traditionally been viewed as one of the most non-partisan committees, one of the few to have an opposition chair even under a majority government.But the Conservatives have changed some of the rules around the committee. Under the last majority Liberal government, questions were rotated through each party one by one – eight minutes per MP per party to begin, and then five minutes afterward for each party. Under the majority Tories, the Conservatives now get 35 minutes in a theoretical 73 minute stretch, the NDP 28 minutes and the Liberals 10 minutes. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Moonlight Graham Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Golly gee, Harper's a control freak! Chretien was a control freak! What the hell is new? EVERY PM of a majority government is a control freak! But Harper has been more controlling than his immediate predecessors in many ways, and it certainly did not start with the recent CPC majority. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Shakeyhands Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Interesting timing, THE RED STAR!! had an opinion piece in it today... link below. Respect mah authoritah! Sounded like a solid argument to me.... Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Golly gee, Harper's a control freak! Chretien was a control freak! What the hell is new? EVERY PM of a majority government is a control freak! Next we'll be told that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west! Are these folks new or what? Are you saying Chretien controlled the auditor generals? can you post some information to back up your assertion? Quote
Moonbox Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Are you saying Chretien controlled the auditor generals? can you post some information to back up your assertion? He's saying the Chretien used many of the tactics Harper is using today. People are pretending like he's committing gross violations of our constitution or something when, in fact, all he's really doing is barrelling through a lot of the symbolic and pointless bickering that a majority government has to contend with from a minority opposition. It's kind of like, "Yes yes yes. We get it. You're upset about EVERYTHING we do. Whining and fussing is noted and ignored. We're moving on now." Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Are you saying Chretien controlled the auditor generals? can you post some information to back up your assertion? No, I said nothing of the kind! Lord knows he did many, many other things but not that one! So why should I back up an assertion about Chretien and the auditor general that YOU made and not me? The OP stated that "Tories are Control Freaks". I replied to that headline. I believe my answer says that one example involving the auditor general is just one of many in the scheme of things. As for YOUR implication that somehow Harper and today's AG is somehow worse than anything Chretien did, that is strictly a matter of personal opinion. You've already made it more than clear that you consider that it is far worse for Harper to do wrong than any other politician. Plus, that you consider your opinions to be facts. Let's not waste our time with repetition. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
PIK Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Maybe is chretien was a control freak like harper, his party might be bigger then the 34 or whatever seats they have today. But he was'nt and his goverment was caught in one of the biggest scandals in history. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 so cons are now using the chretien was a control freak too argument to justify Harper being one And Bill you can say you're a classic liberal all you want but your views that I've seen do not fall into the line of a classic liberal, yes I looked up what a classic liberal is and you're not it, your views are definitely right wing in tone Quote
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Maybe is chretien was a control freak like harper, his party might be bigger then the 34 or whatever seats they have today. But he was'nt and his goverment was caught in one of the biggest scandals in history. To be fair there have been a few other scandals bigger than ad scam which btw Chretien NOR Martin had ANYTHING to do with while other scandals directly involved the PM Edited December 9, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) so cons are now using the chretien was a control freak too argument to justify Harper being one And Bill you can say you're a classic liberal all you want but your views that I've seen do not fall into the line of a classic liberal, yes I looked up what a classic liberal is and you're not it, your views are definitely right wing in tone Then you don't understand the definitions at all! I think you confuse the fact that I will not agree with goofy criticisms of the Tories as being the same as agreeing with those Conservatives. THAT is GOOFY logic in itself! Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Sometimes your criticisms have merit but most times to me they look like a looooong stretch from someone who simply hates Tories and seizes on even the most flimsy sins and makes a federal case out of them. Probably if you criticized any other party (which I don't recall EVER having seen from you, BTW) I'd find your carping on the same level. I get the impression that if you don't like someone then you think you can say anything negative and it somehow is correct. Likes and dislikes have little to do with reality. I agreed with very little of what Jack Layton and his party espoused but I would be the first to say he seemed to be a good man. In politics, if you want to win elections you better learn to work in the real world. Partisan fantasies are simply a waste of time. Anyhow, you claim you looked up the definition of a classic liberal. Well, let's hear it! Give me a cite or something. Even a cut and paste quote! I find it hard to believe that you don't see how it could apply to me, other than the reason I already gave that I won't agree with any mud you feel like throwing. Edited December 9, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Caveat Emptor,folks... Ya's gets what's ya's paid for... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Caveat Emptor,folks... Ya's gets what's ya's paid for... Yeah, you got that right Jack! Every Ontarioan knows that! How much you paying for electricity, BTW? And has anybody else died at a Niagara Hospital lately, either from C difficile or perhaps just having the misfortune to take a tumble outside the hospital door and no one will get off their ass to help, insisting on forcing a long wait for an ambulance? Edited December 9, 2011 by Wild Bill Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Bill a classic liberal would be against normal canadians being spied upon like what they did before the g20 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=19846&view=findpost&p=733531 and against billions wasted spying on demcracy groups Edited December 9, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Yeah, you got that right Jack! Every Ontarioan knows that! How much you paying for electricity, BTW? And has anybody else died at a Niagara Hospital lately, either from C difficile or perhaps just having the misfortune to take a tumble outside the hospital door and no one will get off their ass to help, insisting on forcing a long wait for an ambulance? So you're trying to turn what seems to be mounting evidence of the autocratic and ideologically driven nature of the Harper (majority) Government into a rant about the McGuinty Liberals in Ontario??? Erm....M'kay... Edited December 9, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) Bill a classic liberal is against big government yet Harpers government is the biggest in Canadas history yet you've defended it you've also defended the new measures against marijuana classic liberal is for no law against marijuana and you are also against the in site safe injection facility classic libs are for rehabilitation you are also for bombing iran which is not a classic lib stance you are no classic liberal you are a closet right winger Edited December 9, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Jack Weber Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 Bill a classic liberal is against big government yet Harpers government is the biggest in Canadas history yet you've defended it you've also defended the new measures against marijuana classic liberal is for no law against marijuana and you are also against the in site safe injection facility classic libs are for rehabilitation you are no classic liberal you are a closet right winger I'd classify Bill as a right leaning libertarian... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Shwa Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 So you're trying to turn what seems to be mounting evidence of the autocratic and ideologically driven nature of the Harper (majority) Government into a rant about the McGuinty Liberals in Ontario??? Not too subtle eh? But he did say this after all: I get the impression that if you don't like someone then you think you can say anything negative and it somehow is correct. Likes and dislikes have little to do with reality. Quote
olp1fan Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 I'd classify Bill as a right leaning libertarian... thats fine, its just insulting for someone like bill to classify himself as a liberal im not a liberal im just a left winger but next election they get my vote Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 9, 2011 Report Posted December 9, 2011 So you're trying to turn what seems to be mounting evidence of the autocratic and ideologically driven nature of the Harper (majority) Government into a rant about the McGuinty Liberals in Ontario??? Erm....M'kay... Not really Jack. Lately, I don't have much respect for either of 'em! I don't really have any palatable choices, Jack. That's ok. I've lived a fair time so far and I've gotten used to it. Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
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