Canadian Youth Delegate Ejected from COP17

[jacee]

Not to blowhard partisan sycophants there isnt.

Ya really ...

"Hates Canada?"

The youth acted in support of Canada ... but not our government's position on this.

Protesting is about caring.

[Bryan]

There's not a damn thing that's "brave" about what these idiots are doing. They just go where they are told. They are professional protesters. Paid for by the likes of CAW, WWF, and Tides.

http://www.ourclimate.ca/wordpress/supporters/

Credibility was never strong with them. But when they get funding from American enviro groups, and go to an international event with “Turn your back on Canada” on their shirts, it removes what little they had left.

[blueblood]

Ya sure ... that and the tarsands.

Point being ... Canada's emissions are on a steep increase, as are China's, and we could still get on board with ... um ... the rest of the world.

There's only one earth.

KEEP THE OIL AT HOME,

MANUFACTURE.

High technology.

Medical technology ...

Within our borders of responsibility,

Clean.

From the earth to the earth.

Just a thought ...

And most of the rest of the world isn't as free and prosperous and as rich as us.

We have one of the soundest if not soundest economy in the world, perhaps the rest of the world should get on board with us.

Do you think other countries around the world should have to enjoy a lower standard of living so we could keep our oil in the ground,

[CPCFTW]

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So we'll continue to support Kyoto right now but the deal was China would start during 2020?

not much of a deal

Actually it's because 90% of Chinese ride bikes because they are too impoverished to afford cars. I don't know why these lefties keep bringing up Chinese per capita emissions. Yes if the average income in Canada were $5000/yr we'd have much lower per capita emissions too! But at least we'd have more trees! Such a ludicrous argument.

Edited December 8, 2011 by CPCFTW

[jacee]

And most of the rest of the world isn't as free and prosperous and as rich as us.

We have one of the soundest if not soundest economy in the world, perhaps the rest of the world should get on board with us.

Do you think other countries around the world should have to enjoy a lower standard of living so we could keep our oil in the ground,

So now you speak for the rest of the world?

Are the oil barons donating the oil to them without profit?

Our economy is based on destruction of the environment, akin to burning your house for firewood to heat it.

I was suggesting a compromise: Keep the oil in Canada and manufacture.

[g_bambino]

Right. Now, conjure up the image of, just after Lennon begins to sing, a group butting in and chanting "Bomb I-ran! Bomb I-ran! Bomb I-ran!" Rude? Indeed.

[WWWTT]

I realize China can be pretty cold with snow but Canada is one of the coldest countries in the world

doesn't that explain why we emit higher fumes..use more energy?

Actually partially you are right!

Canada has become more habitable due to burning fossil fuels and electricity for central heat during the cool/cold months.

In Ontario the building code will change come Jan.1 2012.Structures will have to be insulated 25% more/better.

I am not sure of exact details yet but soon enough I'll be up to speed on the new requirments.

But many Canadians live in single detached,semi and townhouses,and these habitats are not as energy efficient as multi unit dwellings

Aswell Canadians are addicted to commuting by themselves in gas guzlers.And commuting long distances.

I'm sure there are other things too.

WWWTT

[blueblood]

So now you speak for the rest of the world?

Are the oil barons donating the oil to them without profit?

Our economy is based on destruction of the environment, akin to burning your house for firewood to heat it.

I was suggesting a compromise: Keep the oil in Canada and manufacture.

Does the rest of the world enjoy a high standard of western living that we do???

Do you want to give that up??

Here's how an economy works, someone provides a good or service which benefits someone else in exchange for money which benefits the person who provided said good or service. Everyone wins.

The environment's been "destroyed" for millions of years,

Your compromise sucks, there would be more poor people in Canada, and we'd be paying more for energy, and the asians would still manufacture cheaper than us or are you willing to pay more money for cdn, made products? Do you think the money fairy gives everyone money to buy things with?

[Shwa]

Does the rest of the world enjoy a high standard of western living that we do??? Do you want to give that up??

You mean the high standard of western living that has resulted in rampant obesity, autism, increased cancer, drug and alcohol abuse, etc.?

Yeah, I think there are some things that we could do without in our high "standard" of western living, don't you?

[WWWTT]

Actually it's because 90% of Chinese ride bikes because they are too impoverished to afford cars. I don't know why these lefties keep bringing up Chinese per capita emissions. Yes if the average income in Canada were $5000/yr we'd have much lower per capita emissions too! But at least we'd have more trees! Such a ludicrous argument.

Wow thats something to write buddy!

But actually you are partially right.The high cost of purchasing and maintaining a vehicle does put ownership out of range for many people,not just Chinese.

However in China people enjoy riding their bikes!And people enjoy spending time with family and friends.So many people there would rather live close to their work to make their commute short.By either bike or public transportation.Or find work even at a cut that is close to where they live.

Actually there is a treand well underway now in southern Ontario.Where many people are moving back to the downtown cores of big cities such as Toronto.Just look at the housing starts for Ontario.Over 50% of the starts are for high rise condos in major urban areas.10 yrs ago it was less than 25%!

The main reason for this is the dramatic increased cost of housing and transportation and not to mention and maybe the most important factor is the stupid freekin time spent commuting!People in Canada(GTA anyways) are starting to say "what am I freekin doing spending 2-3 hours everyday of my life in a stupid car?

But going back to China having a lower emmision per capita,yes thats true and aswell China is the largest investor in green energy so that ratio may not decrease but could potentially increase even further!(or is it the other way around?)

WWWTT

[PIK]

Canada has extremely high greenhouse gas emissions per capita compared to those countries, a fact that the right wing likes to ignore.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_greenhouse_gas_emissions_per_capita

And the biggest fact the left likes to ignore, is we produce 2% of GHG's and it would destroy the economy to even lower that 1/2 %. If you were told your job is gone because of GHG's ,hwo would you feel. OUR goverment's job is to stand up for canadians. We are a big country and we are spread out and we are cold.

[PhilosopherKing]

What an utterly nonsensical rant. How they hell do YOU know they don't "put much thought into what they're doing or saying?" Just because you disagree? They can go wherever they want, whenever they want and protest shitty Canadian government policies in any forum they wish. It's the global village gramps, if you don't like it, move to a shack in Montana and start writing out your manifesto.

One can discern the lack of ability for deep thought through the arrogance and vacuousness of their statements.

And yours.

[PhilosopherKing]

I find these comments to be scornful and insulting. THese are personal attacks that have absolutely no grounding. All that you know is that 6 students are upset with the way our government is handling the environment. They certainly don't deserve this level of completely unnecessary criticism for that.

Their behavior is more than worthy of contempt. Their positions are childish and simplistic, and consist of regurgitated environmentalist drivel without any basis in economic or scientific logic.

[Jack Weber]

One can discern the lack of ability for deep thought through the arrogance and vacuousness of their statements.

And yours.

Erm...

Ditto...

[PhilosopherKing]

More per capita than China or India ... you know, the ones the Cons keep complaining about, keep using as their excuse to break Kyoto.

The majority of Indians live on less than $2 a day. The Chinese, outside the major cities, aren't much better. Poverty is endemic, which means no money for cars or electronic gizmos. You think it's fair to compare Canada to them?

[PhilosopherKing]

Thought part of the issue was exactly that China was willing to restrict its emissions if developed countries, including Canada, would meet our commitments? And then Canada bailed anyway?

The Chinese have, in the past, acted coquettishly about being willing to set targets for themselves, but have always been adamant that there can be no outside agencies verifying whether those targets are being met or not. We are expected to trust them and the numbers they produce.

[PhilosopherKing]

It wasn't allowed. They were thrown out and their credentials were revoked. The entire point is that it's not allowed. It's civil disobedience to make a political point.

Political points can also be made by a coherent and rational argument. One they apparently lack the ability to make.

[Jack Weber]

The Chinese have, in the past, acted coquettishly about being willing to set targets for themselves, but have always been adamant that there can be no outside agencies verifying whether those targets are being met or not. We are expected to trust them and the numbers they produce.

I would'nt trust anything crypto-Fascists say...

[PhilosopherKing]

Well no, Harper's not 'supporting' Kyoto.

We didn't meet the targets.

China's per capita emissions are waaaay lower than ours.

The great majority of China's people are still rural peasants without running water. You and your political soul mates on the left are free to give up all modern conveniences, including heat, so that Canada's per capita emissions can more closely resemble theirs.

[Jack Weber]

The great majority of China's people are still rural peasants without running water. You and your political soul mates on the left are free to give up all modern conveniences, including heat, so that Canada's per capita emissions can more closely resemble theirs.

Are we also to give up our standard of living so the free marketeers get what they want and our per capita earnings resemble theirs ,as well?

[PhilosopherKing]

They got a standing ovation from the rest of the world.

The third world is quite enthusiastic about Kyoto and the followups. That is because none of them are expected to have to meet any emissions goals, and they are to be gifted with hundreds of billions of dollars in transfer payments from the industrialized West. Naturally they're angered by any western country not willing to play along.

[PhilosopherKing]

You mean the high standard of western living that has resulted in rampant obesity, autism, increased cancer, drug and alcohol abuse, etc.?

Yeah, I think there are some things that we could do without in our high "standard" of western living, don't you?

Well, excellent. There is a lot of crown land out there in the north. You and your comrades are free to forsake everything which is the product of emissions, including electricity, internal combustion engines, plastics, electronics, etc., and go out and live in the woods like the Chinese. I'm sure the country will be grateful to you for lowering our per capita emissions standards.

[Jack Weber]

Well, excellent. There is a lot of crown land out there in the north. You and your comrades are free to forsake everything which is the product of emissions, including electricity, internal combustion engines, plastics, electronics, etc., and go out and live in the woods like the Chinese. I'm sure the country will be grateful to you for lowering our per capita emissions standards.

Interesting...

If the Free Marketeers have their way,we'll be doing just that out of economic necessity...

[Shwa]

Well, excellent. There is a lot of crown land out there in the north. You and your comrades are free to forsake everything which is the product of emissions, including electricity, internal combustion engines, plastics, electronics, etc., and go out and live in the woods like the Chinese. I'm sure the country will be grateful to you for lowering our per capita emissions standards.

You appear to assume that, should we dare think of alternatives to the current "standard of living" the only course of action will lead us to "go out and live in the woods like the Chinese." As if this is some profane and inevitable dichotomy that is at the basic nature of humankind. Well, for one, most Chinese don't live in the woods and secondly they are an increasingly urban population. Comrade.

So not only does your brutally inept attempt at analogy fail, you end up looking like a backwoods cretin because you don't even know the first thing about the living conditions of the country to which you are trying to draw some sort of inference. And the worse thing is - and this only adds to the appearance of cretinism - is that you have Google at your finger tips.

It really is quite incredible, and a little sad, to see a legitimate worldview, such as certain forms of conservatism, being usurped by those who are simply dumb all over and a little ugly on the side. It must really be tough for the intelligent cons on this board to suffer this type of political kinship when there are meaningful points to discuss.

[jacee]

I'm sure the country will be grateful to you for lowering our per capita emissions standards.

Our high emissions are a result of the tar sands.