Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 Those loons have behaved a lot better than Saddam did. Saddam invaded 4 countries, gassed iranians, gassed the kurds, bombed Israel, and invaded Kuwait. Iran has done very little of interest. This is just flat out objectively false. What's objectively false is your assertion that Iran has done very little of interest... They are known to have had a major hand,along with Syria,in Hezbollah's virtual takeover of Lebanon.Have been caught directly trying to send arms through Egypt and directly to there friends in Gaza.They have directly funded Islamic Jihad. We have the warship incident in the Mediteranean this summer... And they have kept the International Atomic Agency interestingly out of any areas that might implicate them in showing they are trying to weaponize uranium.Would this be ebcause not only are they trying to acquire nuclear warhead capability,but because it would expose their larger benefactors? Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 we do nothing, iran wants the nukes for international power not to wage nuclear war Riiiiiiggghhhhhtttt.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 The unevitable eventuality of Islamofascist kooks lobbing nukes into Israel or having the longer range capabilities of hitting targets in Europe??? Or do you think Ahmedinejad's comments about The Holocause or Jews in general or equating us with being lower than the devil is just him trying to break the ice before these people extend a hand in friendship? No its his attempt to ham it up for the anti western population. In any case he would have as much to do with any potential decision to use nuclear weapons as you would. And I dont think it IS an inevitability that Irans leaders would commit suicide on behalf of the persian race. Whats more likely is that Iran (bouyed by the removal of Hussein, and high oil prices) wants to grow its influence and become an upper tier player in the middle east, and try to avoid becoming the next Iraq. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olp1fan Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Posted November 27, 2011 sanctioning china would be suicide for the US and russia would take it as a declaration of war Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 No its his attempt to ham it up for the anti western population. In any case he would have as much to do with any potential decision to use nuclear weapons as you would. And I dont think it IS an inevitability that Irans leaders would commit suicide on behalf of the persian race. Whats more likely is that Iran (bouyed by the removal of Hussein, and high oil prices) wants to grow its influence and become an upper tier player in the middle east, and try to avoid becoming the next Iraq. I wish I shared your optimism.... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 sanctioning china would be suicide for the US and russia would take it as a declaration of war You're right... Interestingly enough,both are major players in Iran's nuclear program... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 What's objectively false is your assertion that Iran has done very little of interest... They are known to have had a major hand,along with Syria,in Hezbollah's virtual takeover of Lebanon.Have been caught directly trying to send arms through Egypt and directly to there friends in Gaza.They have directly funded Islamic Jihad. We have the warship incident in the Mediteranean this summer... And they have kept the International Atomic Agency interestingly out of any areas that might implicate them in showing they are trying to weaponize uranium.Would this be ebcause not only are they trying to acquire nuclear warhead capability,but because it would expose their larger benefactors? They are known to have had a major hand,along with Syria,in Hezbollah's virtual takeover of Lebanon.Have been caught directly trying to send arms through Egypt and directly to there friends in Gaza.They have directly funded Islamic Jihad. I dont care about any of that stuff. Iran has an obvious interest in Lebanon, and Hezbollah represents lebanese Shia there. This is just what middle tier regional powers do. They support proxys and so on. Irsael has played the same game in Lebanon, and supported some pretty unsavory people. And the west does this kind of thing all the time. And they have kept the International Atomic Agency interestingly out of any areas that might implicate them in showing they are trying to weaponize uranium. What facilities has the IAEA not looked at? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olp1fan Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Posted November 27, 2011 You're right... Interestingly enough,both are major players in Iran's nuclear program... Interestingly enough so is Germany... Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 I dont care about any of that stuff. Iran has an obvious interest in Lebanon, and Hezbollah represents lebanese Shia there. This is just what middle tier regional powers do. They support proxys and so on. Irsael has played the same game in Lebanon, and supported some pretty unsavory people. And the west does this kind of thing all the time. The fact of the matter is it does'nt matter what you care about.What it does show is that Iran is quite prepared to meddle in the politics and foreign policies of other countries to form a proxy beachhead agianst Israel.With nuclear capability,those proxies won't be as necessary... Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
dre Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 I wish I shared your optimism.... Then just look at the facts as we know them, and the history of the Iranian Islamic government. Theyve historically shown pretty much zero interest in engaging any country directly, and the regime has basically been about self preservation. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
eyeball Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 sanctioning china would be suicide for the US and russia would take it as a declaration of war Yeah, the US should probably just stick to pushing little countries like Iran around. I have to say though if Afghanistan is anything to go by Washington should probably think about asking Moscow and China if they could join their team. These super-powers need to stick together, sorta like big banks. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dre Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 (edited) The fact of the matter is it does'nt matter what you care about.What it does show is that Iran is quite prepared to meddle in the politics and foreign policies of other countries to form a proxy beachhead agianst Israel.With nuclear capability,those proxies won't be as necessary... No this is all hogwash. Iran supports the shia in Lebanon for the exact same reason they support shia in Iraq. With nuclear capability,those proxies won't be as necessary... Sure they would. Iran would support the various shia minorities around the middle east whether or not it was a nuclear power. Thats just what middle tier regional players do. Edited November 27, 2011 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
olp1fan Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Posted November 27, 2011 The fact of the matter is it does'nt matter what you care about.What it does show is that Iran is quite prepared to meddle in the politics and foreign policies of other countries to form a proxy beachhead agianst Israel.With nuclear capability,those proxies won't be as necessary... Iran is trying to mimic the US? Quote
eyeball Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 Iran is trying to mimic the US? Or not feel defensive when the US acts like...the US? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Manny Posted November 27, 2011 Report Posted November 27, 2011 How many wars did Iran start, or participate in? Not many, I believe. How many wars have the western alliance started or participated in? All of them! Some even done by proxy. So now somebody wants to say how evil Iran is for wanting to kill millions of people. But we already did kill millions of people. Not just wanting to, did. As long as people want to play the game, then everybody has to suffer the consequences. We out ourselves in a corner, there's no way out now but to fight all the time, if another country doesn't want to follow our way of life, cultural materialism, cultural liberalism, then they become our mortal enemy and the conscious response is like what we have now in this thread... turn them into glass. That's not the way Jesus told us to live and all of us who participate in making these choices, from east to west are committing a mortal sin. Quote
olp1fan Posted November 27, 2011 Author Report Posted November 27, 2011 How many wars did Iran start, or participate in? Not many, I believe. How many wars have the western alliance started or participated in? All of them! Some even done by proxy. So now somebody wants to say how evil Iran is for wanting to kill millions of people. But we already did kill millions of people. Not just wanting to, did. As long as people want to play the game, then everybody has to suffer the consequences. We out ourselves in a corner, there's no way out now but to fight all the time, if another country doesn't want to follow our way of life, cultural materialism, cultural liberalism, then they become our mortal enemy and the conscious response is like what we have now in this thread... turn them into glass. That's not the way Jesus told us to live and all of us who participate in making these choices, from east to west are committing a mortal sin. I was with you until you brought Jesus into it Quote
grogy Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 If it was up to some of you we would have nukes in Cuba to this day. Let them have their nuke, then when they start to play around with the oil supply we will all be forced to buy into the green energy future, yay! Quote
Moonlight Graham Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 I think it's about time to get these wacko Islamofascists on the run...Tehran to glass anyone? Who's the wacko? Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
Guest Manny Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 I was with you until you brought Jesus into it Well right is right, no matter who you need to bring into it. So either your with me on whats right, or not. Jesus is just a vehicle for the ideas. Quote
Guest Manny Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 If it was up to some of you we would have nukes in Cuba to this day. Let them have their nuke, then when they start to play around with the oil supply we will all be forced to buy into the green energy future, yay! Yes it's a tangled mess, damned either way. It would help if countries who didn't have nukes got similar respect and recognition as countries who have nukes. They don't. The lesson is pretty clear. Want to get a stronger seat at the bargaining table in the UN or with relations to the superpowers? Get nukes. You don't have nukes? Piss off or we turn you into glass. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 ....The lesson is pretty clear. Want to get a stronger seat at the bargaining table in the UN or with relations to the superpowers? Get nukes. You don't have nukes? Piss off or we turn you into glass. Interesting Canadian perspective, a nation which has no declared 'nukes', but still joins in the "fun" pulverizing other nations. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Manny Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 Interesting Canadian perspective, a nation which has no declared 'nukes', but still joins in the "fun" pulverizing other nations. No it's just simple. Test what happens, if Canada decides to really defy the United states. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 No it's just simple. Test what happens, if Canada decides to really defy the United states. Test what happens? Canada is very dependent on collective security, just like all the other lesser gods. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Guest Manny Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 In regards to United States, Canada does what it's told. If not... boom Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Posted November 28, 2011 In regards to United States, Canada does what it's told. If not... boom Really? Even if that were true (it isn't), just think of it as a homecoming for all that exported uranium! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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