Happy Thanksgiving

[blueblood]

Canada isnt saturated. Theres probably two more cities that would generate more revenue than any of the recent US expansion markets.

As for Bettman... Its true hes just a figure head and revenues have increased. But the product on the ice is the weakest and most unspirited hockey I have ever seen. I can barely sit through a regular season game now days.

It is saturated, pretty near all Canadians are hockey fans and buy merchandise in one way or another. Popping up another team in Canada takes revenues from another. Gate sales are a fraction of what a teams revenue is. Heck gate sales can only pay the payroll of only two NHL rosters, e habs and leafs. By expanding into the USA, that's where the new customers and growth of the sport is, but what do billionaires know.

Bettmans job is to make money, the players and coaches put the product on the ice,

[Smallc]

Canada's market isn't close to saturated. First of all, it's growing, and second, there are two other Winnipeg sized cities literally begging for teams. That doesn't even take into account the reality that you could put another NHL team in Toronto to replace the AHL team that's there now.

[olp1fan]

Coyotes can't even give their tickets away ..people just don't give a crap about hockey in Phoenix ... a smart business man would take his team to a MARKET who appreciates the game

Bettman blocked the Coyotes from moving to Hamilton and Winnipeg and they continue to lose tens of millions of dollars

The man is a dick and you cannot defend him

bergman? are you even Canadian blueblood? it seems like you don't understand a thing about this

no sane Canadian would defend Bettman

Edited November 26, 2011 by olp1fan

[blueblood]

Canada's market isn't close to saturated. First of all, it's growing, and second, there are two other Winnipeg sized cities literally begging for teams. That doesn't even take into account the reality that you could put another NHL team in Toronto to replace the AHL team that's there now.

Winnipeg has to sell out every single game, if not, they have a problem. Second, how can hockey in canada grow, everybody is a hockey fan, how much more merchandise can they possibly buy without cutting in to the revenues of other teams. Not only that, every game in the nhl is televised, that means any canadian who wants to watch hockey can and is watching. The only growth is from gate revenues which don't even come close to covering expenses.

If you put in a team in toronto, that's another team in a saturated market. Toronto, ottawa, buffalo, and detroit. Why would those teams give a green light to another franchise that will take away their revenues?

The cities can beg all they want, the billionaires who own the teams in the nhl and who give bettman his marching orders know where the growth is.

One other thing, in cities where both the nba and nhl is located, there is very comparable fan attendance and more often than not, the nhl does better as far as a percentage of attendance. The 2010 olympics gold medal hockey game was one of the highest rated sporting

Events outside of the super bowl and the winter classic played by usa teams is comparable to the college bowl games they compete against. Hockey is growing down there, whether canadians want it to or not, which is good because if hockey stayed just in canada, it would be a joke like the cfl.

[olp1fan]

Winnipeg has to sell out every single game, if not, they have a problem

Winnipeg has sold out every ticket for the next five years

Edited November 26, 2011 by olp1fan

[blueblood]

Winnipeg has sold out every ticket for the next five years

Shhh! Adults are talking.

Go play in the sandbox.

[Guest American Woman]

I realize the U.S seems like a better place to live in the winter than most of Canada

Says who? The U.S. does have northern states, too; and quite of few of our big cities happen to be in those states.

[jbg]

Says who? The U.S. does have northern states, too; and quite of few of our big cities happen to be in those states.

True, but most major cities in the Northeast are along the coast and have very different weather from inland. Toronto is mild, mostly because it's in the middle of a lot of Great Lakes, as is Windsor. Seattle and Vancouver have similar weather. But there the similarity ends. Fargo is simply not a major city, nor is Rochester, New York.

Our big cities such as New York, Boston, San Fransisco, Los Angeles et. al. can't really be said to have Canadian climates. Chicago, Milwaukee and Minneapolis are really the only ones that remotely qualify.

[Guest American Woman]

True, but most major cities in the Northeast are along the coast and have very different weather from inland. Toronto is mild, mostly because it's in the middle of a lot of Great Lakes, as is Windsor. Seattle and Vancouver have similar weather. But there the similarity ends. Fargo is simply not a major city, nor is Rochester, New York.

Our big cities such as New York, Boston, San Fransisco, Los Angeles et. al. can't really be said to have Canadian climates. Chicago, Milwaukee and Minneapolis are really the only ones that remotely qualify.

I would say that Seattle qualifies as having the same weather as Vancouver. Buffalo certainly has weather comparable to Canadian weather. Detroit's weather would certainly be comparable to Windsor's. Furthermore, people don't just live in the big cities - I was just pointing out that our population is not centered in the southern states, which are perceived as the "desirable weather."

As for Chicago, Milwaukee and Minneapolis, they more than "remotely qualify" as comparisons to Toronto, perhaps also Montreal, and I would wager they have worse weather than Vancouver. And what about Anchorage? Certainly it's comparable population wise to Canadian cities such as Winnipeg - and Winnipeg has half the population of Manitoba. It's also pretty comparable population-wise to Edmonton, which was mentioned in this thread.

I live in the northern U.S., which I consider very comparable to Canada, and you couldn't pay me to move to a hot climate. As a side note, Dearborn, Michigan, which would be comparable to Canadian weather, has the highest population of Muslims outside the Middle East. I would say they didn't move here because the weather is more desirable than they could find in Canada, which is what the post I was responding to was insinuating.

[olp1fan]

Maybe if Canada let in millions of illegals we'd have 70 million people instead of 34

honestly US is more full than Canada.. more cities that are warmer

in Canada you really cannot escape winter unless you go to the southern US

even vancouver gets winter and toronto and windsor has nasty winters too

cant say the same for the southern us states

Edited November 27, 2011 by olp1fan

[jbg]

cant say the same for the southern us states

Washington DC got close to 70" snow during 2009-10. And in January 1977 snowflakes flew in Miami.

[olp1fan]

Washington DC got close to 70" snow during 2009-10. And in January 1977 snowflakes flew in Miami.

and yet washington dc, new york city winters are normally 20 degrees F warmer than even Torontos

you cant compare one abnormal year to every year in canada

yea the south gets cold from time to time while in most of canada its relentless or very busy

Edited November 27, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Manny]

Maybe if Canada let in millions of illegals we'd have 70 million people instead of 34

honestly US is more full than Canada.. more cities that are warmer

in Canada you really cannot escape winter unless you go to the southern US

even vancouver gets winter and toronto and windsor has nasty winters too

cant say the same for the southern us states

No but they got the hurricane.

Hey even I don't mind the cold. You just have to dress warm. Wear a coat man!

[jbg]

and yet washington dc, new york city winters are normally 20 degrees F warmer than even Torontos

NYC and Toronto are maybe 6 degrees F apart, if that much.

[olp1fan]

NYC and Toronto are maybe 6 degrees F apart, if that much.

if so that can be the difference between snow and rain

just because the east coast has had a few abnormal years that doesn't mean its going to be like that forever

Edited November 27, 2011 by olp1fan

[jbg]

just because the east coast has had a few abnormal years that doesn't mean its going to be like that forever

I believe that 6F is over many years the normal delta between Toronto and NYC, if even that much.

[sharkman]

Happy Thanksgiving...I wonder what the next year will bring. Hopefully a better economy and no repeat for those Bruins.

[Black Dog]

It is saturated, pretty near all Canadians are hockey fans and buy merchandise in one way or another. Popping up another team in Canada takes revenues from another. Gate sales are a fraction of what a teams revenue is.

Gate sales are about 50 per cent of league revenue. And you can thank the Canadian teams for that.

Heck gate sales can only pay the payroll of only two NHL rosters, e habs and leafs.

Gate sales make up a healthy chunk of a team's revenue. In 2008, the Oilers, in one of the smallest and oldest buildings in the league, were pulling in about $50M a year in ticket revenue. Even if you assume zero growth in ticket revenue, that's still a huge chunk of change for a team with a payroll of $64M in 2011-12. And that's not even accounting for all the new Nugent-Hopkins jerseys...

By expanding into the USA, that's where the new customers and growth of the sport is, but what do billionaires know.

They obviously don't know you can't sell something to people who have no interest in buying the product. Americans as a general rule don't care about hockey unless, like Canadians, they grew up with it. They just aren't buying.

[jbg]

Does the fact that this is a Canadian board make thread drift to hockey inevitable?

[olp1fan]

Does the fact that this is a Canadian board make thread drift to hockey inevitable?

Isn't it obvious?

I just have to LOL again at the notion that the NHL would survive without Canada.. if its not obvious enough 60 % of NHL players are Canadian and a good chunk of 2010-2011 gate revenue is from the 6 Canadian teams

we own hockey, you just host the teams so our players can make millions playing it

Edited November 28, 2011 by olp1fan

[jbg]

Isn't it obvious?

I just have to LOL again at the notion that the NHL would survive without Canada.. if its not obvious enough 60 % of NHL players are Canadian and a good chunk of 2010-2011 gate revenue is from the 6 Canadian teams

we own hockey, you just host the teams so our players can make millions playing it

And that has what to do with Thanksgiving?

[guyser]

And that has what to do with Thanksgiving?

There are lots of hockey tournaments at Thanksgiving...in October And Novembers incarnations

[olp1fan]

And that has what to do with Thanksgiving?

It started off with the Americans in the NHL home office not giving the NHL a night off during the Canadian thanksgiving ...in fact 2 Canadian teams were playing in the U.S on thanksgiving day..but ohhhhh they have to give the NHL a day off during the American thanksgiving.. 60 % of nhl players are CANADIAN and yet they have to celebrate the American thanksgiving

what the fuck is up with that? It seems like the Americans who run the NHL don't respect their main supporters

it pisses me off

Edited November 28, 2011 by olp1fan

[jbg]

It seems like the Americans who run the NHL don't respect their main supporters

it pisses me off

I quite agree with you on this one.

[bush_cheney2004]

....what the fuck is up with that? It seems like the Americans who run the NHL don't respect their main supporters

it pisses me off

LOL! If the "main supporters" could deliver on big fat television contracts, then the Americans would play on Thanksgiving too.

Show me the money!