Canadian, American religious divide

[msj]

The 20% swing isn't taking error into account - as the results put both countries in the same moderate category, which hardly supports your conclusion that it means "a lot less" in Canada.

To clarify: that is a 20% point swing.

That is 44% more (65% versus 45% - that is 65% is 44% more than 45% - or just do the math 45% * 1.44 = 65%) responses for religion being an important part of one's daily life if one is an American versus being a typical Canadian.

That is statistically significant and the margin of error for the poll is less than 20% points.

In my opinion of course.

[olp1fan]

999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 times!

lets see

[dre]

To clarify: that is a 20% point swing.

That is 44% more (65% versus 45% - that is 65% is 44% more than 45% - or just do the math 45% * 1.44 = 65%) responses for religion being an important part of one's daily life if one is an American versus being a typical Canadian.

That is statistically significant and the margin of error for the poll is less than 20% points.

In my opinion of course.

Pretty silly stuff really. Theres a pretty large body of empyrical knowledge on this subject...

I notice this study from my post a few pages ago didnt get noticed...

Heres another study... the most extensive one Iv found so far...

http://www.ur.umich....v24_03/15.shtml

That one surveyed about 250 000 people.

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The United States remains among the most religious nations in the world, according to a worldwide study by the University.

About 46 percent of American adults attend church at least once a week, not counting weddings, funerals and christenings, compared with 14 percent of adults in Great Britain, 8 percent in France, 7 percent in Sweden and 4 percent in Japan.

Moreover, 58 percent of Americans say they often think about the meaning and purpose of life, compared with 25 percent of British, 26 percent of Japanese and 31 percent of West Germans, the study says.

"While traditional religious belief and participation in organized religion have steadily declined in most advanced industrial nations, especially in Western Europe, this is not the case in the United States," says Ronald Inglehart, a researcher at the Institute for Social Research (ISR) and director of the ISR World Values Surveys, which were conducted in more than 80 nations between 1981 and 2001

Nobody has presented even a shred of evidence to dispute any of this, and AW/BC obviously dont wanna go there because they know premise is bunk. They know the US is more religious than Canada and so does everyone else on earth. That leaves them scouring google looking for little anecdotes and places where god is mentioned by our politicians and in national documents, and debating whether a 20% swing constitues "a lot", as if these things constitute some sort of cogent argument.

[msj]

Pretty silly stuff really. Theres a pretty large body of empyrical knowledge on this subject...

I notice this study from my post a few pages ago didnt get noticed...

I noticed it but it didn't have anything to say about Canada....

Nobody has presented even a shred of evidence to dispute any of this, and AW/BC obviously dont wanna go there because they know premise is bunk. They know the US is more religious than Canada and so does everyone else on earth. That leaves them scouring google looking for little anecdotes and places where god is mentioned by our politicians and in national documents, and debating whether a 20% swing constitues "a lot", as if these things constitute some sort of cogent argument.

One would hope that they know.

Or at least that AW would know since it is her link that I have repeatedly referenced.

But anecdata is much funner to mine than discussing a 44% statistical difference between Americans and Canadians.

Edited December 3, 2011 by msj

[bush_cheney2004]

....Nobody has presented even a shred of evidence to dispute any of this, and AW/BC obviously dont wanna go there because they know premise is bunk.

Is it? Then why such a protest at the very thought of a more religious Canada? There are probably several neurotic / identity crisis reasons to choose from. "God" lives in Canada.

[Guest American Woman]

Is it? Then why such a protest at the very thought of a more religious Canada? There are probably several neurotic / identity crisis reasons to choose from. "God" lives in Canada.

"God bless Canada"? God has nothing to do with it, Mr. Harper.

[msj]

"God bless Canada"? God has nothing to do with it, Mr. Harper.

Wow, your anecdata mining is hitting new lows.

[bush_cheney2004]

"God bless Canada"? God has nothing to do with it, Mr. Harper.

LOL! In typical Canadian fashion, the blogger defines Canada by what it is not (British or American).

But that doesn't exclude God!

[GostHacked]

The last few pages have been an awesome read. Great stuff going on here folks!

[Guest American Woman]

LOL! In typical Canadian fashion, the blogger defines Canada by what it is not (British or American).

"Canadians have been so busy explaining to the Americans that we aren't British, and to the British that we aren't Americans that we haven't had time to become Canadians."

Helen Gordon McPherson

[naturally]

It will take a few more years before the scourge of religion fades away. As Mark Twain said....religion is a way of believing stuff that ain't so.

The first thing we need is that religion should be taught in high school --objectively--. To counter the rampant child abuse whereby parents take their kids to the big building with the "T" on top, steep them in dogma and cannibalism and then set them loose on the world.

[naturally]

Wishful atheist thinking....but not the case at all:

I'm a Christian by choice. My family didn't – frankly, they weren't folks who went to church every week. And my mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew, but she didn't raise me in the church. So I came to my Christian faith later in life, and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead – being my brothers' and sisters' keeper, treating others as they would treat me. I think also understanding that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings, that we're sinful and we're flawed and we make mistakes, and that we achieve salvation through the grace of God. But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other people and do our best to help them find their own grace. That's what I strive to do. That's what I pray to do every day. I think my public service is part of that effort to express my Christian faith.

— President Barack Obama, September 27, 2010

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Amazing how people can rattle this stuff off....if it was true its pretty sad to kill someone for our bad behaviour...if it isn't...and it isn't .....all concocted by devious evil men ...then its just mass hysteria.... No thinking man believes the bible fantasy...but many give the illusion to escape the wrath of the zombie like religious hoards.

[cybercoma]

To clarify: that is a 20% point swing.

That is 44% more (65% versus 45% - that is 65% is 44% more than 45% - or just do the math 45% * 1.44 = 65%) responses for religion being an important part of one's daily life if one is an American versus being a typical Canadian.

That is statistically significant and the margin of error for the poll is less than 20% points.

In my opinion of course.

Meanwhile, back on planet earth, abortion and gay marriage are legal in Canada.

[msj]

Meanwhile, back on planet earth, abortion and gay marriage are legal in Canada.

Not sure what you're trying to get at.

I know religious people who are pro-choice and pro-gay marriage.

Another victory for anecdata!

Edited December 3, 2011 by msj

[dre]

"God bless Canada"? God has nothing to do with it, Mr. Harper.

A link to a blog?

[olp1fan]

"God bless Canada"? God has nothing to do with it, Mr. Harper.

its official!! you're out of ideas

[olp1fan]

"Canadians have been so busy explaining to the Americans that we aren't British, and to the British that we aren't Americans that we haven't had time to become Canadians."

Helen Gordon McPherson

better than being a yank or brit

[dre]

better than being a yank or brit

Why?

[jbg]

better than being a yank or brit

Huh?

[olp1fan]

Why?

why what? why being canadian is better than being a yank or a brit?

[-TSS-]

Is it an embarrassing lack of knowledge for a Canadian not to know the religious creed of the Canadian PM or is it quite common that no-one knows and no-one even cares about whether the PM is protestant, catholic, baptist, mormon or what have you?

[Smallc]

No one cares, generally.

[BubberMiley]

I where no tinfoil hat. I had the dubious privilege of going to an Ivy League university (graduated in 1979) where we were carefully taught, even then, that the West was generating ill-will throughout the world.

But not taught how to spell "wear"?

Edited February 11, 2012 by BubberMiley

[jbg]

But not taught how to spell "wear"?

Oops. Good catch. But then again you keep spelling "color" and "neighbor" and "labor" the wrong way. But then again I see ads for "Parti Conservateur (link)" which has to be wrong. Edited February 11, 2012 by jbg

[BubberMiley]

Oops. Good catch. But then again you keep spelling "color" and "neighbor" and "labor" the wrong way.

No, that's how they're spelled in Canada.