CANADIEN Posted February 6, 2012 Report Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) Ford facing transit uprising Mayor Ford was offered a compromise that would have given him an extension on the Sheppard line, in addition to improvements to transit on Finch West. Now, Thanks to his stubborness, he may be stuck with Transit City. Congrats, Mr Mayor. Edited February 6, 2012 by CANADIEN Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted February 6, 2012 Report Posted February 6, 2012 Stinz should consider a run for Mayor. Prior to getting on the TTC board she was pretty right-wing, but once she got there, she saw he it worked, and became more practical. I for one back her in this and I hope council will back her too. While the old transit city plan has flaws for sure, it is better than the Ford plan Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
mentalfloss Posted February 6, 2012 Report Posted February 6, 2012 (edited) Well.. it looks she got her wish.. Toronto council to debate transit future Edited February 6, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote
Black Dog Posted February 6, 2012 Author Report Posted February 6, 2012 Stintz said the mayor's plan is not doable. "There's no funded subway plan. An underground LRT is not a subway," she said. FINALLY! Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 In fairness it both is and is not. Toronto streetcars are just as wide as Montreal's Metro cars. If they were level with the raised subway platform (and adding a piece of plywood at the door would make this the case), you could string them together and make a "subway" out of them that could move the same number of people as the Montreal Metro. If you ran it totally underground you could call it a "Subway" and nobody would really complain. If in the other hand you did with it what the TTC has done with Queens Quay, then you are right, its most certainly not a subway, but then again, you'd be hard to find someone from a country that has real LRT who would agree that Spadina or St. Clair have LRT. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
mentalfloss Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Ford tries to keep his subway dream alive Stintz and 23 other councillors support the resurrection of four light-rail lines that were part of the Miller administration's Transit City, and they're fighting the Ford's push to bury part of the Eglinton LRT. With 45 members of council, they are in the majority so the mayor has to convince someone to switch their vote to keep his subway dream alive. http://www.680news.com/news/local/article/327986--ford-tries-to-keep-his-subway-dream-alive 23... seriously... 23... I can already see the spin coming from the SUN when Ford pays off a couple councillors for the vote. Huge Victory for Ford! etc.. Edited February 7, 2012 by mentalfloss Quote
Black Dog Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Posted February 7, 2012 In fairness it both is and is not. Toronto streetcars are just as wide as Montreal's Metro cars. If they were level with the raised subway platform (and adding a piece of plywood at the door would make this the case), you could string them together and make a "subway" out of them that could move the same number of people as the Montreal Metro. If you ran it totally underground you could call it a "Subway" and nobody would really complain. I don't know if that's true at all. If in the other hand you did with it what the TTC has done with Queens Quay, then you are right, its most certainly not a subway, but then again, you'd be hard to find someone from a country that has real LRT who would agree that Spadina or St. Clair have LRT. The only people suggesting that Spadina or St. Clair have LRT are people like Ford who don't know the difference. Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 Take a ride on the VIVA. (Its free for the next 2 months) and then take a ride on YRT route 99. Go out to Mississauga, find the nearest bendy bus, and hop on board. All of this should cost you less than $10 and is a great way to see parts of the GTA you might not normally go to. While on your trip, take note of your ride. The bus, the route, the crowds. VIVA is nothing more than a bus with a snazzy paint job, yet, people treat it as though it's special. BRT they say! VIVA is not BRT. Not yet anyway. So why do people ride VIVA? Cause it's sold as something special. Selling an underground LRT as a Subway means more riders, more money for the system, and less traffic. I like to think of Eglinton as a "Subway, that you can also run in the middle of the street" in Etobicoke and Scarborough. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Black Dog Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Take a ride on the VIVA. (Its free for the next 2 months) and then take a ride on YRT route 99. Go out to Mississauga, find the nearest bendy bus, and hop on board. All of this should cost you less than $10 and is a great way to see parts of the GTA you might not normally go to. While on your trip, take note of your ride. The bus, the route, the crowds. VIVA is nothing more than a bus with a snazzy paint job, yet, people treat it as though it's special. BRT they say! VIVA is not BRT. Not yet anyway. So why do people ride VIVA? Cause it's sold as something special. Or they ride it because they need to get where they are going. Selling an underground LRT as a Subway means more riders, more money for the system, and less traffic. I like to think of Eglinton as a "Subway, that you can also run in the middle of the street" in Etobicoke and Scarborough. I think the deliberate confusion between subways/underground LRTS or LRTS/streetcars is purely political. The people will choose whatever option is available to them. I really doubt that there's many people who would decline to ride a partially above-ground LRT because it's not a pure subway. Edited February 7, 2012 by Black Dog Quote
CPCFTW Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Ford tries to keep his subway dream alive Stintz and 23 other councillors support the resurrection of four light-rail lines that were part of the Miller administration's Transit City, and they're fighting the Ford's push to bury part of the Eglinton LRT. With 45 members of council, they are in the majority so the mayor has to convince someone to switch their vote to keep his subway dream alive. http://www.680news.com/news/local/article/327986--ford-tries-to-keep-his-subway-dream-alive 23... seriously... 23... I can already see the spin coming from the SUN when Ford pays off a couple councillors for the vote. Huge Victory for Ford! etc.. It would certainly be a huge victory for Ford to kill this. He campaigned on killing transit city and now he has a self-appointed pseudo-mayor undermining him. Good on Ford for not playing politics and sticking to his guns for what his electorate wanted. Edited February 7, 2012 by CPCFTW Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 now he has a self-appointed pseudo-mayor undermining him. Didn't Ford appoint Stintz ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Black Dog Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Posted February 7, 2012 Didn't Ford appoint Stintz ? Zing. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Posted February 7, 2012 It would certainly be a huge victory for Ford to kill this. He campaigned on killing transit city and now he has a self-appointed pseudo-mayor undermining him. Good on Ford for not playing politics and sticking to his guns for what his electorate wanted. I don't think that means what you think it does. Quote
mentalfloss Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 It would certainly be a huge victory for Ford to kill this. As opposed to his monumental failure if he doesn't? Quote
CPCFTW Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 Didn't Ford appoint Stintz ? As pseudo mayor? Nope. Come on Michael, you can do better than that. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 7, 2012 Author Report Posted February 7, 2012 (edited) Yeah, with the Brothers Ford in the house, we have two pseudo-mayors already. Honestly, though, you're a terrible troll, CBCFTW. Edited February 7, 2012 by Black Dog Quote
Michael Hardner Posted February 7, 2012 Report Posted February 7, 2012 I'm glad that an appointee has the integrity to look at a plan and call it how she sees it, but really this political football is not adding any value to things. One way or another the thing will be built, and at this point timeline is a bigger concern than anything else. I think that transit planning needs to be taken out of the domain of politics and put in charge of people who DO, not talk. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
CANADIEN Posted February 8, 2012 Report Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) It would certainly be a huge victory for Ford to kill this. He campaigned on killing transit city and now he has a self-appointed pseudo-mayor undermining him. Good on Ford for not playing politics and sticking to his guns for what his electorate wanted. Now that I have finished laughing. karen Stinz is acting as a pseudo-Mayor? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease. She's undermining the Mayor? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease. I know it will come as a shock to you, but the Mayor of Toronto is not absolute Monarch. City Councillors are elected to protect the interests of the city and the interests and rights of its inhabitants. If they agree with a proposal put forward by the Mayor, it is their job to support it. If they disagree with it, it is their job to express their opposition and come with alternative. Karen Stinz is doing her job, and if Mayor Ford was not so busy politicking and being stubborn to the point of silliness, he,d see that. Edited February 8, 2012 by CANADIEN Quote
CANADIEN Posted February 8, 2012 Report Posted February 8, 2012 (edited) Lenght of subway construction undert he Stinz proposal: a bit over 1 km Number of stations added: 1 Lenght of subway construction under Transit City: 0 Number of stations: 0 Lenght of subway construction under the Ford proposal (extension to the Sheppard line paid by private promotors): 0 (there is no private investment forthcoming) Number of station: 0 Mayor Ford is rejecting a plan that would actually result in subway construction, and is hanging to a plan that has no funding for a subway. Edited February 8, 2012 by CANADIEN Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted February 8, 2012 Report Posted February 8, 2012 Every time Holliday has to clean up Ford's mess, I wish he was the mayor. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Black Dog Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Posted February 8, 2012 Every time Holliday has to clean up Ford's mess, I wish he was the mayor. Sorry what has Deputy Doug done of consequence on this issue? Quote
TheNewTeddy Posted February 8, 2012 Report Posted February 8, 2012 Not made a fool of himself Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Black Dog Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Posted February 8, 2012 Not made a fool of himself That should be a low bar to hurdle, but given the motley crew that make sup council's right-wing these days, it's the highest praise. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 8, 2012 Author Report Posted February 8, 2012 Following today's debate (which is yet to come to the final vote as I write this) only confirms what I wrote above. The Brothers Ford (Rob is not at the meeting so Doug is doing the talking) seem to genuinely believe that their election victory one year ago trumps the will of council on this issue and that their informal meetings with self-selecting citizens in Tim Horton's are legitimate barometers of public opinion. They're also turning on Stintz like a pack of wild dogs. Really mind boggling stuff that cuts to the core of the issue so many have with these guys. It's not enough that they are wrong about most everything, it's that they are assholes about it. Quote
Black Dog Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Posted February 9, 2012 (edited) Wow. Stintz's motion passes council by a big margin; 25-18 is the final count. Edited February 9, 2012 by Black Dog Quote
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