dre Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 The BBC has a different (and equally ridiculous) funding model, as does PBS. As I've said, many Canadian say they support the CBC, but do their actions match that? No, in fact they don't. I see, so you're saying I should just not care? I do. Nope you can care all you like. As I've said, many Canadian say they support the CBC, but do their actions match that? Can you ellaborate? What are you suggesting these Canadians should do in order for their "actions to match that"? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
cybercoma Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 I bet a lot of their stuff was produced by the CBC too. Quote
noahbody Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Most of you live in major cities that could easily support local news on a privatized platform. However, many Canadians don't live near major cities and would still like to get local news even if the stations are not viable in a free market. If you live in a town, you get local news from the local paper (which also have websites) and by word of mouth/Facebook as well as rural radio in some areas. CBC has never been a station to turn to for local news. Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Can you ellaborate? What are you suggesting these Canadians should do in order for their "actions to match that"? Watch it and listen to it. Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 I bet a lot of their stuff was produced by the CBC too. And Shaw and Bell too. Quote
dre Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Watch it and listen to it. I watch hockey on Saturday, and maybe once a month Ill watch the news. I probably visit their website once a week. Same goes for the BBC. Is that enough? I pretty much avoid large ratings driven networks like CNN unless I want to know which hollywood celebrity got fake boobs, or whos banging who. Anyhow... you dont have to be a regular viewer of a public network to understand the value of public broadcasting. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Hudson Jones Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 I love the CBC. Especially CBC radio. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
guyser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Wow, where to start? I will be nice about this, but your start spot should never have occured. Let us imagine that two TV networks are approaching the same advertiser for their business. #1 says: I'll put you on primetime for $50k per spot, even though my production costs demand that I charge $75k to break even. It is not a problem because I am backstopped to the tune of $1 billion plus annually and don't really have to account for much of it, citing 'privacy' and 'revealing proprietary business models'. #2 says I'll charge you $60k per primetime spot because my production costs are $50k per spot and I cannot afford to operate at a loss because I have no financial backstop. So of course CBC is #1, and they cost you twice: first because you have proudly backstopped that loss via taxes every year, and secondly because there is no incentive to keep costs low , reduce the $1 billion subsidy and actually do anything efficently. Even better, the country is filled with apologists for CBC, they rarely even have to defend their actions since so many others are eager to do it for them. It does not work that way in advertising. The number of eyeballs dictates the cost. Thats why Super Bowl ads cost a fortune. No amount of subsidy can overcome the lack of eyeballs as pertains to charging for revenue. If CBC can charge $10 to air the ad, but CTV says it will cost $100 , the ad buyer looks at what money gets him the most eyeballs. CBC says " we should have 20 viewers' CTV says "we expect 10,000 viewers' Then the contract specifies that if either gets less than that, they pay the advert guy back. Oh and by the way, there was no loss to backstop on #2 . Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Anyhow... you dont have to be a regular viewer of a public network to understand the value of public broadcasting. But then is it worth the money? I don't think it is, and I can't see how Canadian that don't use it can think that it is. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 $1B is a small price to pay for a public broadcaster of the caliber of the CBC. The BBC gets about $3.7B from Brits (~$300M from gov't and $3.4B from licence fees collected from households who have cable or satellite TV). The ABC (Australia) has about a $1B budget... One billion is what this government spent on security for a single G20 summit. There is plenty of money to pay for the CBC. If you are concerned where the money is coming from, perhaps Canada could cut the $1.5B in subsidies to the petroleum companies. This would more than make up for any spending on public broadcasting. Quote
guyser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Isn't 1.1 billion dollars sort of a competitive advantage? No Quote
Smallc Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 $1B is a small price to pay for a public broadcaster of the caliber of the CBC. Is it? One billion is what this government spent on security for a single G20 summit. Actually, they didn't spend that. It came in far below budget. There is plenty of money to pay for the CBC. No actually, there isn't. If you are concerned where the money is coming from, perhaps Canada could cut the $1.5B in subsidies to the petroleum companies. This would more than make up for any spending on public broadcasting. Those are, as far as I know, already being phased out. Quote
Jack Weber Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 (edited) It's my opinion,I don't think I'm the only one who thinks this either.Canada would survive without the CBC although sadly,I think they will always have their place at the trough,regardless of who forms the government.They should at least be openly accountable with how they spend our money. What time does Ezra come on? Don't know.... Cogeco has put SunTV at channel 13,012 (or something like that)... So much for the clamboring for the Tenycke Channel... Out of sight,out of mind... Edited November 16, 2011 by Jack Weber Quote The beatings will continue until morale improves!!!
Evening Star Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 If you think the CBC is entirely talentless, I can see why you don't want to support them but most Canadians are happy with the service. Unlike many people here, I actually am a regular listener to CBC Radio and do rely on the CBC website as a primary news source. I enjoy some of its TV programmes as well. I completely support having a public broadcaster (and full disclosure, I've benefited from it). However, I don't know that I can 100% say I'm satisfied with the service. I'm not sure it has ever been as good as BBC, for example, particularly CBC-TV. (Radio is better but the new Radio 2 often disappoints and frustrates me too. Still an improvement over most of what's on the radio in Regina though.) So I do wonder what it is that keeps the Ceeb from reaching what I see as its potential. Quote
ironstone Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Don't know.... Cogeco has put SunTV at channel 13,012 (or something like that)... So much for the clamboring for the Tenycke Channel... Out of sight,out of mind... [/quote Oh right.In Canada satellite and cable providers are required by law to carry the CBC,but SunTV has no such built in advantage. Quote Beware the Brookfield industrial complex...
guyser Posted November 16, 2011 Report Posted November 16, 2011 Oh right.In Canada satellite and cable providers are required by law to carry the CBC,but SunTV has no such built in advantage. Thank god! Who wants to listen to Ezra when The Warrior Princess is out there! Oh and by the way, the mandate is to carry both CBC and CTV , now doesnt that get ya in a knicker? CTV gets the same treatment. Now what? Quote
Shwa Posted November 16, 2011 Author Report Posted November 16, 2011 Oh right.In Canada satellite and cable providers are required by law to carry the CBC,but SunTV has no such built in advantage. Except that in my cable bill I have to pay for the SunTV garbage and no one asked me. Are they back on Bell yet? Quote
noahbody Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 I love the CBC. Especially CBC radio. Would you stop listening to it if they played commercials? Quote
Shwa Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 Don't shoot the messenger Despite the purity of our efforts to force the CBC to be transparent about how it spends taxpayers' money, it would appear the consensus media sees us as having anything but pure intentions.We must be onto something. The day after the CBC finally coughed up access to information numbers on the extent of its corporate fleet, for example -- (at 728, it has more vehicles than Imelda Marcos had shoes) -- the largest newspaper in Canada carried an editorial accusing our parent company, Quebecor Media (QMI), of conducting an "ugly campaign" against the CBC. In fact, the Toronto Star comes close to accusing us of having the federal Conservative Party in our pocket as we continue to pressure the CBC to show how it spends the $1.1 billion that taxpayers annually donate towards the state broadcaster's survival. Perhaps we should sue. Perhaps they should, it would be a nice diversion methinks. What I like though is the opening paragraph using words like "purity," "transparent" and "pure." Like freshly fallen snow, little lambs and Ivory soap. If that doesn't describe Quebecor, SunTV or the Sun "news" paper chain, I don't know what does. The funniest phrase though is they are now using "consensus media" which is the newer version of MSM. (all you cons, please note: "MSM" is no longer accepted. Change your references please.) Of course all "consensus media" means is the vast majority of news media, that is vastly more widely read and watched than the Quebecor/Sun pap. You know, the same ones who are citing a poll showing that the majority of Canadians back public funding for the CBC. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 Would you stop listening to it if they played commercials? I would. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
CPCFTW Posted November 17, 2011 Report Posted November 17, 2011 The funniest phrase though is they are now using "consensus media" which is the newer version of MSM. (all you cons, please note: "MSM" is no longer accepted. Change your references please.) Of course all "consensus media" means is the vast majority of news media, that is vastly more widely read and watched than the Quebecor/Sun pap. You know, the same ones who are citing a poll showing that the majority of Canadians back public funding for the CBC. The consensus media is the media that manufactures consensus. For example, manufacturing consensus to support CBC funding. Quote
Shwa Posted November 17, 2011 Author Report Posted November 17, 2011 (edited) The consensus media is the media that manufactures consensus. For example, manufacturing consensus to support CBC funding. Yes, it is a play on the rather leftist 'Manufactured Consent' by Herman and Chomsky. The funniest part is that the Sun is left out of it, yet their overlords, Quebcor, are trying their damndest to get in. Edited November 17, 2011 by Shwa Quote
Evening Star Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 The consensus media is the media that manufactures consensus. Such as editorial boards' overwhelming consensus in favour of Stephen Harper and the CPC in the last election campaign (based on actual published editorial endorsements that are a matter of record)? Quote
noahbody Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 I would. That's like saying you love your wife, but if she puts on 5lbs she's out the door. Quote
guyser Posted November 18, 2011 Report Posted November 18, 2011 That's like saying you love your wife, but if she puts on 5lbs she's out the door. Uh..........yeah ! Quote
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