Canada at war with Iran

[Guest Derek L]

Too old.

Do you know how an economy works? The military is better off if private industry does more business than giving it to the gov't.

China did invade countries with theirs and they got tore to ribbons, that's why they stay home. China's economy is doing good because they are having their industrial revolution, the same one that Britain and the USA had and with the same results. It's what happens when peasants get into the middle class.

Indeed, and over the recent decade, China has been greatly expanding the expeditionary capabilities of it’s military and leasing basing rights throughout the Indian Ocean and Eastern Africa.

[bush_cheney2004]

………West says stop…….Despot say shove it……..West helps topple despot, rebels take over, West resumes oil production………

Yep....that's pretty much how it works. Don't know why some people don't get it. It's been going on for over 50 years. And now we can add China and India to the mix.

What part of 'oil' do some people not understand?

[GostHacked]

You’re suggesting things were better under Daffy?

Short answer - yes. Long answer, already been covered by some here.

We’ve had numerous threads on this topic we’re I’ve explained it clearly……….Readers Digest……..Middle Eastern Despot sitting on lakes of oil……Can’t get it out of the ground effectively…..The “West”, whom requires Oil, is allowed to develop said oil for said despot………Said despot throws parade for terrorist that killed Westerners…….West tells despot we don’t like that……Despot tells West he’ll nationalize their investment……..Despot starts killing protestors in the streets………West says stop…….Despot say shove it……..West helps topple despot, rebels take over, West resumes oil production………

So why was the Lockerby bomber released? Oh right, to help secure oil contracts. And the oil in Libya was already nationalized. I've also pointed out where British SAS were in country long before this revolution went down. not to mention introducing the Gold Dinar, a currency that many countries in Africa were ready to get on board with in regards to a currency to trade oil in. The west helped bring a civil war to a country that did not require one.

Libya was set up, plain and simple. Iran will be no different.

You can't blame them for doing some of the same shit we do around the world.

[WWWTT]

As for "literally killing people because you "think" it may be the right thing to do", that makes no sense as an immoral act unless the people doing the killing believed YOUR position that Iran is no threat! If they were sincere then they were acting morally.

Sadly, I think Israel has been backed into a corner and has no choice but to launch a strike SOON! They have good reason to fear for their very existence! Any "school teacher" opinions about turning the other cheek are frankly illogical if not suicidal, in my opinion!

Actually I believe any country in the world has the right to defend itself.

If any country has nuclear weapons then in order to defend your country you would need nuclear weapons in order to be successful!

Did Iran start this arms race?

Then why do you want to deny Iran their right to defend themeself?

So attacking Iran because they want to defend themeselves is moral?

Thats like someone breaking into their neighbours house and beating them up because they were thinking of installing an alarm system or putting up a "trespassers will be prosecuted sign"

Oh and by the way in Canada and many other western nations,if you assault someone it is a criminal offence.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Too old.

Do you know how an economy works? The military is better off if private industry does more business than giving it to the gov't.

China did invade countries with theirs and they got tore to ribbons, that's why they stay home. China's economy is doing good because they are having their industrial revolution, the same one that Britain and the USA had and with the same results. It's what happens when peasants get into the middle class.

Provide the link

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

Too old.

Then put your money where your mouth is!

Instead of asking people to die for your opinion!

WWWTT

[Guest Derek L]

Short answer - yes. Long answer, already been covered by some here.

So why was the Lockerby bomber released? Oh right, to help secure oil contracts. And the oil in Libya was already nationalized. I've also pointed out where British SAS were in country long before this revolution went down. not to mention introducing the Gold Dinar, a currency that many countries in Africa were ready to get on board with in regards to a currency to trade oil in. The west helped bring a civil war to a country that did not require one.

Libya was set up, plain and simple. Iran will be no different.

You can't blame them for doing some of the same shit we do around the world.

Did Alex Jones tell you that? I’ve often wondered why his listeners aren’t worried that corporate financed, NWO/CIA/SAS/JTF-2/MI-5 & 6 etc, black helicopters (Made by the Sikorsky corporations) hasn’t deposited “Stormtroopers” brandishing M4s & M9s (Colt & Beretta Corporations), clothed in NOMEX (DuPont Corporation), through his bedroom window and silenced him with a double tap to the head? (Courtesy of Alliant techsystems corporation)

Edited November 14, 2011 by Derek L

[blueblood]

Then put your money where your mouth is!

Instead of asking people to die for your opinion!

WWWTT

Ill make you a deal, ill volunteer my old ass for military college, when you haul ass over to iran with whatever money you have to help fund theuir nuclear program and you can inlist in iran's army to help defend their "right" to nuclear weapons.

No wonder nixon won in the sixties, hippies wanted to impose their bs on us, yet they didn't have the stones to emmigrate to the land of socialism itself or make the sacrifices of that lifestyle.

People in glass houses...

[blueblood]

Provide the link

WWWTT

Korean war. Have fun reading!

[GostHacked]

Did Alex Jones tell you that?

No, figured this stuff out all on my own. All the links I used to prove my point were not of Jones'. I used Fox, BBC, CBC, , you know those new agencies people seem to trust more than they should.

However Webster Tarpley has been a good source of information, because he was actually in Libya when SHTF.

I’ve often wondered why his listeners aren’t worried that corporate financed, NWO/CIA/SAS/JTF-2/MI-5 & 6 etc, black helicopters (Made by the Sikorsky corporations) hasn’t deposited “Stormtroopers” brandishing M4s & M9s (Colt & Beretta Corporations), clothed in NOMEX (DuPont Corporation), through his bedroom window and silenced him with a double tap to the head? (Courtesy of Alliant techsystems corporation)

But you have now moved from debating what I have said, to focus on Jones himself. Does that qualify as deflection?

[Guest Derek L]

No, figured this stuff out all on my own. All the links I used to prove my point were not of Jones'. I used Fox, BBC, CBC, , you know those new agencies people seem to trust more than they should.

However Webster Tarpley has been a good source of information, because he was actually in Libya when SHTF.

But you have now moved from debating what I have said, to focus on Jones himself. Does that qualify as deflection?

What’s the result of the intervention in Libya today? Western European and Canadian oil companies are rebuilding and in some areas, refining oil to feed southern Europe…….Mission accomplished.....For only a fraction of the cost of the intervention in Iraq and Afghanistan, and no military loss of life……..On to the next target…….It’s that simple.

[olp1fan]

Prove that, please. And, more importantly, prove those plans are about to be carried out.

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if you dont think israel has made plans you should shake your head

[olp1fan]

Wow --- Very insightful. Any reason to question the Accidental" part of this?

I guess you've transferred a lot of munitions in your lifetime---- Where?

any reason not to question it? the fact that they lied and said it happened at an ammunition depot when eyewitnesses said it was at a missile base

is reason enough and the fact that a top missile expert who had a major hand in thr missile development died is further evidence

also when ammunitions explode you hear dozens of mini explosions but with this explosion it was 2 massive explosions

that shook Tehran

you'd be an idiot to believe their story

Edited November 14, 2011 by olp1fan

[olp1fan]

How do you know this? You state it as if it's an absolute fact but of course it's just an opinion!

If there are truly so many younger Iranians chafing under the Mullahs' harsh regime, perhaps if there was a foreign attack they would use it as an opportunity to revolt?

After all, internal revolutions rarely succeed on their own. History shows that the successful ones virtually always had external help.

So tell us! How is your premise that Iran's citizens would all support their government a known fact?

its no different than people like you who assume iranians will turn on their government

fact is it could go either way

[olp1fan]

As for "literally killing people because you "think" it may be the right thing to do", that makes no sense as an immoral act unless the people doing the killing believed YOUR position that Iran is no threat! If they were sincere then they were acting morally.

so in your opinion Hitler was acting morally

[Guest Derek L]

any reason not to question it? the fact that they lied and said it happened at an ammunition depot when eyewitnesses said it was at a missile base

is reason enough and the fact that a top missile expert who had a major hand in thr missile development died is further evidence

also when ammunitions explode you hear dozens of mini explosions but with this explosion it was 2 massive explosions

that shook Tehran

you'd be an idiot to believe their story

So you’re going on expertise? If the Mossad detonated a bomb at the missile site, why wouldn’t there be secondary explosions, just as you assume there would be with an accident? I’d love to hear your theory….

[GostHacked]

So you’re going on expertise? If the Mossad detonated a bomb at the missile site, why wouldn’t there be secondary explosions, just as you assume there would be with an accident? I’d love to hear your theory….

Reports of 3 separate incidents 'accidents' involving the Iranian Elite Guard over the past few months. Unless the Elite Guard is completely incompetent, there seems to be something else happening. Even Iran is being quiet about that.

[Guest Derek L]

Reports of 3 separate incidents 'accidents' involving the Iranian Elite Guard over the past few months. Unless the Elite Guard is completely incompetent, there seems to be something else happening. Even Iran is being quiet about that.

As I asked prior, if the Mossad was the cause of these accidents, why isn’t Iran calling them out?

As for incompetence, military accidents happen all the time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK7RGpSlJ7Y&feature=related

[olp1fan]

So you’re going on expertise? If the Mossad detonated a bomb at the missile site, why wouldn’t there be secondary explosions, just as you assume there would be with an accident? I’d love to hear your theory….

its not my theory... theres many stories on this, google it

youll see sources, experts saying the same thing

[olp1fan]

Reports of 3 separate incidents 'accidents' involving the Iranian Elite Guard over the past few months. Unless the Elite Guard is completely incompetent, there seems to be something else happening. Even Iran is being quiet about that.

the son of a top commander in the Revolutionary guard was found dead in his home a few days a go too

they say it looks like foul play

doesnt seem like people on this forum understand what Mossad and the CIA actually do

[Guest Derek L]

its not my theory... theres many stories on this, google it

youll see sources, experts saying the same thing

But you are purporting the “theory”……..now you’re backing away? Again, you claim said theory is valid so:

If the Mossad detonated a bomb at the missile site, why wouldn’t there be secondary explosions, just as you assume there would be with an accident?

[olp1fan]

But you are purporting the “theory”……..now you’re backing away? Again, you claim said theory is valid so:

I never said it was a bomb why don't you stop putting words in my mouth

[Guest Derek L]

I never said it was a bomb why don't you stop putting words in my mouth

Ok, how did the Mossad cause the attack and inherit explosion?

[olp1fan]

here derek read this and decide yourself

http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/14/israel-mossad-iran-blast?cat=world&type=article

[wyly]

China did invade countries with theirs and they got tore to ribbons, that's why they stay home.

really? where did you get that gem of historical inaccuracy...