Canada at war with Iran

[Guest Derek L]

Absolutely. We use whatever influence we have on any of the players over there to push them to act responsibly.

And if we want to use Canadian tax dollars to promote global energy stability the best thing is to take the money we would waste fighting a protracted war in the middle east, and use it to develope our own resources which would not only increase global capacity and and give people alternatives to middle eastern oil, but it would actually reduce the ammount of revenue available to Iran. AND... it would make us money and generate economic activity here.

How have our “backchannels” been working so far?

[olp1fan]

Why? What makes you think the Russian's and Chinese have sense of fair play? I thought you wanted to talk about realities now? The Chinese and Russians make money off Iran selling them weapons…..

yes, I already said they did along with the Germans..they all have interests in Iran

so why do you think bombing chinese and russian interests in iran would = a few months of fluctuations in oil prices?

do you want to provoke china and russia?, are you thinking of the consequences to that?

[Guest Derek L]

you can have an election within 6 weeks...don't tell me a referendum is more work

A third world war could be started, fought and over in that time.....

[g_bambino]

referendums can be done within a month..nothings gonna pop off in a month

it'll be next year

Have you offered to help the government craft decisions with your powers of prophesy? We wouldn't need referenda; you know the results already.

Odd, though, that you still can't be clear on what "real democracy" is.

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Edited November 13, 2011 by g_bambino

[olp1fan]

Nice comeback…….So what was the point of this thread?

Your first post:

But you want to be on the:

Side?

if Canada should regrettably get involved I obviously don't want to be on the losing side

Israel and Iran are provoking a world war so once other countries get involved we'll have to get involved as well

the winning side will obviously be the west, that is in the end which side I am on

BUT I am very against this happening

I do not want Canada to be doing any of the bombing of Iran

Edited November 13, 2011 by olp1fan

[Guest Derek L]

That raises a valid point. A big part of the reason the Middle East is such a basket case is because countries like France, China, the US, and Russia have absolutely flooded it with weapons. It was france that gave Israel the bomb which is what started the arms race that might be about to shape up now.

Those countries should sit down and see if they can agree to stop pouring fuel on the fire, but moving massive ammounts of arms into a region full off batshit crazy religious nuts.

The way that we can help the very most? STOP HELPING.

Or better yet, let's develop the technology to fuel our economies with recycled hemp and the laughter of children……..Unfortunately, I doubt the near term prospects of success with either proposals.

[g_bambino]

you know how they always like saying the canadians gave them a strong mandate to do this and that

what are they gonna say canadians gave them a strong majority mandate to wage a war that fall within canadian values?

The electorate did give the Conservative party a strong mandate; a clear majority in the House of Commons. I can't be certain, but I do hope that voters understand, when casting their ballot, that whomever they're voting for and that candidate's party may have to, beyond promises made in the campaign, deal with unforseeable circumstances that might arise between elections.

how are they gonna justify this to the canadian people...

Justify what?

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Edited November 13, 2011 by g_bambino

[Guest Derek L]

yes, I already said they did along with the Germans..they all have interests in Iran

so why do you think bombing chinese and russian interests in iran would = a few months of fluctuations in oil prices?

do you want to provoke china and russia?, are you thinking of the consequences to that?

We’ve bombed their client states before and they didn’t involve themselves directly…..

[olp1fan]

The electorate did give the Conservative party a strong mandate; a clear majority in the House of Commons. I can't be certain, but I certainly hope that voters understand, when casting their ballot, that whomever they're voting for and that candidate's party may have to, beyond promises made in the campaign, deal with unforseeable circumstances that might arise between elections.

Justify what?

Justify war

We're pretty sick of war after a decade in Afghanistan

[dre]

How have our “backchannels” been working so far?

Not very well. We have been completely unable to get Jews and Arabs in the middle east to treat each other with respect and stop the unending cycle of aggression and provocation on the part of both sides.

Still... we should keep being a voice of reason and sanity even if the religious zealots in the middle east dont want to hear it.

But you are correct. What we have been doing isnt working. The west has been trying "help" fix the middle east for almost a hundred years. Sometimes by using a pen, and sometimes by stategically exploding various different parts of it. We actually CAUSED the islamic revolution that resulted in the current Iranian theocracy you are worried about.

The question is... why do you think that doing more of the same stuff we have done there for 80 years is going to suddenly finally work now after decades of abysmal failure?

[g_bambino]

Justify war

What war?

[olp1fan]

We’ve bombed their client states before and they didn’t involve themselves directly…..

I have a feeling this is different

plus its Israel ...China and Russia are sick and tired of Israel and its treatment to the Palestinians

[olp1fan]

What war?

potential war with Iran and possibly allies

[Guest Derek L]

if Canada should regrettably get involved I obviously don't want to be on the losing side

Israel and Iran are provoking a world war so once other countries get involved we'll have to get involved as well

the winning side will obviously be the west, that is in the end which side I am on

BUT I am very against this happening

I do not want Canada to be doing any of the bombing of Iran

So you have fair-weather principles?

You love our milk and honey……..but…….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHAFmFsb9XM

[dre]

Or better yet, let's develop the technology to fuel our economies with recycled hemp and the laughter of children……..Unfortunately, I doubt the near term prospects of success with either proposals.

The point is you dont see how are actions come back to bite us in the ass.

The wested gave Israel nuclear weapons resulting in the arms race we have seen on and off since then.

Then foreign intervention resulted in the Iranian theocracy.

Then we sponsored a brutal invasion of Iran by Iraq that featured chemical weapons being unleashed again Iranian civilians. This helped to make the hardliners in Iran popular and powerfull, and built a lot of resentment against the west.

At some point we just gotta be honest with ourselves and realize that our HELP is about the last thing in the world that region needs. Weve been literally helping this people TO DEATH for a century.

[g_bambino]

potential war with Iran and possibly allies

So, an entirely hypothetical conflict for which there hasn't even been a hint of a plan offered.

[olp1fan]

So you have fair-weather principles?

You love our milk and honey……..but…….

war should be the absolute last resort..and right now we have plenty of options

such as sanctioning Israel to punish them for their continued mistreatment of the Palestinians

Iran might see that as a gesture of good faith and back down

its worth a try

[olp1fan]

So, an entirely hypothetical conflict for which there hasn't even been a hint of a plan offered.

oh there's plans, every country has plans

[Guest Derek L]

The point is you dont see how are actions come back to bite us in the ass.

The wested gave Israel nuclear weapons resulting in the arms race we have seen on and off since then.

Then foreign intervention resulted in the Iranian theocracy.

Then we sponsored a brutal invasion of Iran by Iraq that featured chemical weapons being unleashed again Iranian civilians. This helped to make the hardliners in Iran popular and powerfull, and built a lot of resentment against the west.

At some point we just gotta be honest with ourselves and realize that our HELP is about the last thing in the world that region needs. Weve been literally helping this people TO DEATH for a century.

I do see and understand the ramifications of history, but I also understand you can’t put the proverbial genie back into the bottle, and one key history lesson is that appeasement doesn’t work.

[olp1fan]

At some point we just gotta be honest with ourselves and realize that our HELP is about the last thing in the world that region needs. Weve been literally helping this people TO DEATH for a century.

But it keeps people like Derek employed for centuries

[Guest Derek L]

war should be the absolute last resort..and right now we have plenty of options

such as sanctioning Israel to punish them for their continued mistreatment of the Palestinians

Iran might see that as a gesture of good faith and back down

its worth a try

Like this guy you mean?

[Guest Derek L]

But it keeps people like Derek employed for centuries

"Those who hammer their swords into plowshares, will soon be plowing for those with swords."

[bush_cheney2004]

"Those who hammer their swords into plowshares, will soon be plowing for those with swords."

That's the great thing about pacifists...they won't do dick anyway.

[olp1fan]

That's the great thing about pacifists...they won't do dick anyway.

And what's the great thing about starting a world war?

[bush_cheney2004]

And what's the great thing about starting a world war?

...finishing it.