olp1fan Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) and you would know that how?...actually most of europe rates very favourably with canada in HDI values...and those are the countries that posters want to pull immigrants from, they don't want the non english or french speaking ones from elsewhere in europe... ya a cultural backwater, really ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index Edited November 10, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Shwa Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 ya a cultural backwater, really ... Hey, that cultural backwater sure is nice for canoeing though! Quote
Smallc Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 and you would know that how?...actually most of europe rates very favourably with canada in HDI values...and those are the countries that posters want to pull immigrants from, they don't want the non english or french speaking ones from elsewhere in europe... We're 6th in the HDI...the UK is 28th. France is somewhere around there too. Our per capita GDP (measured as either nominal or PPP) is significantly higher than most European countries, save places like Norway (which has a similar per capita GDP to Alberta for the same reasons) and Luxembourg. Canada has a far lower unemployment rate, also. ya a cultural backwater, really ... I think you're projecting your own misinformed opinion. Quote
Smallc Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 ya but they were like a third world country open for business, it created a false economy the boom died and it's all come tumbling down... Being open for business makes you like a third world country? Quote
punked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 They went from an agrarian economy to one of the wealthiest nations in the world (in terms of per capita GDP) in a matter of decades... Ireland's GDP per capita was less than 1/2 of Canada's in 1985, now it is equal (yes even after the massive collapse). http://www.google.ca/publicdata/explore?ds=d5bncppjof8f9_&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&idim=country:IRL&dl=en&hl=en&q=ireland+gdp+per+capita#ctype=l&strail=false&bcs=d&nselm=h&met_y=ny_gdp_pcap_cd&scale_y=lin&ind_y=false&rdim=country&idim=country:IRL:CAN&ifdim=country&hl=en&dl=en Ireland is still collapsing eh? You see that on your graph right? The governments bail out of foreign banks will have that GDP falling for a long long time. They aren't out of the woods yet. Quote
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) Being open for business makes you like a third world country? relative to the rest of western europe it was...i've discussed with family members moving to other countries that were similar to ireland...like costa rica, nicaruagua or vietnam they're at a stage of development that for someone with a sense of adventure now is the time to move there while it's cheap and get in on the growth that will surely come... Edited November 10, 2011 by wyly Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 For 2011 HDI rankings, Canada is 6th, behind Norway, Australia, Netherlands, United States, and New Zealand. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Hey, that cultural backwater sure is nice for canoeing though! exactly, which if you ask tourists from anywhere why they come to canada it's our wilderness, not our culture they don't see us as having any... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 For 2011 HDI rankings, Canada is 6th, behind Norway, Australia, Netherlands, United States, and New Zealand. I don't see how U.S can be 4TH... 13 trillion in debt, high unemployment, 80+ banks have gone bankrupt, all kinds of natural disasters ...its just not a good place to live right now Quote
CPCFTW Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 ya but they were like a third world country open for business, it created a false economy the boom died and it's all come tumbling down... tumbling down to where we are now... Quote
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 We're 6th in the HDI...the UK is 28th. France is somewhere around there too. Our per capita GDP (measured as either nominal or PPP) is significantly higher than most European countries, save places like Norway (which has a similar per capita GDP to Alberta for the same reasons) and Luxembourg. Canada has a far lower unemployment rate, also. it's virtually the same...euro's live a very comfortable life just as we do...I think you're projecting your own misinformed opinion.no suryed opinions of euros... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
CPCFTW Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) delete Edited November 10, 2011 by CPCFTW Quote
blueblood Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Ireland is still collapsing eh? You see that on your graph right? The governments bail out of foreign banks will have that GDP falling for a long long time. They aren't out of the woods yet. They are a lot closer than Portugal, greece, and perhaps Italy. They already drank their buckley's. My link Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
punked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 tumbling down to where we are now... yah I wouldn't laugh it is still falling and we are still climbing (I hope this is true) Ireland isn't out of the woods the government there made some poor poor decisions in 2009 that the whole country is going to feel it for the next 5-10 years. Quote
olp1fan Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) it's virtually the same...euro's live a very comfortable life just as we do... A few Euro countries but remember theres 27 european countries in the EU and they all do not 50 + euro countries right? i dont know the exact number Edited November 10, 2011 by olp1fan Quote
Smallc Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 it's virtually the same...euro's live a very comfortable life just as we do... They live comfortable lives, but not the same as us. no suryed opinions of euros... Ah, then I misunderstood you. The people surveyed are wrong though. Quote
blueblood Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 yah I wouldn't laugh it is still falling and we are still climbing (I hope this is true) Ireland isn't out of the woods the government there made some poor poor decisions in 2009 that the whole country is going to feel it for the next 5-10 years. I didn't think that positive 1.1 GDP growth was falling. Especially from a country that blew it's cash bailing out all the banks. Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
GostHacked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 You cannot compare EU countries to Canadas provinces. A major, major difference is that Canadian provinces are united by a national fiscal policy, and the EU is not. The Euro and the Euro Economic Zone is essentially a national fiscal policy on steroids. Why do you think other countries in this union don't want to pay for those other countries mistakes? The EU won't last. It's like it was designed to fail. I guess we can just print more money not worth the paper it's not printed on!! Sorry, stole that from Celente. Quote
punked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 They are a lot closer than Portugal, greece, and perhaps Italy. They already drank their buckley's. My link Nope, see Portugal, Greece, and Italy's debt are held largely by foreign banks mostly German, Ireland when it started its default the government took on all those foreign loans and made them the governments problem. Which means if they default Europe will hurt but their country get hit harder much much harder. In those other countries it is the other way around making it a much different situation. Quote
punked Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) I didn't think that positive 1.1 GDP growth was falling. Especially from a country that blew it's cash bailing out all the banks. yah we will see what its GDP is at the end of 2011, it was adjusted downward a month ago from 1.1 to .5 I expect it to fall quite a but more before the year is out because you see when that GDP estimate is adjusted downward it means revenue is adjusted downward, meaning the government has less money to spend meaning there will be more cuts and that GDP number will shrink again. Edited November 10, 2011 by punked Quote
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 They live comfortable lives, but not the same as us. and you've lived there have you?...Ah, then I misunderstood you. The people surveyed are wrong though.no they're not, other than the quebecois and native peoples we don't have much of a culture, sorry if that comes as shock but it's the truth... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 I don't see how U.S can be 4TH... 13 trillion in debt, high unemployment, 80+ banks have gone bankrupt, all kinds of natural disasters ...its just not a good place to live right now Then why do more Canadians keep emigrating to the USA than Americans going to Canada? It just frosts your Canuck tits that the US is ranked higher in HDI. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 The Euro and the Euro Economic Zone is essentially a national fiscal policy on steroids. Why do you think other countries in this union don't want to pay for those other countries mistakes? The EU won't last. It's like it was designed to fail. I guess we can just print more money not worth the paper it's not printed on!! Sorry, stole that from Celente. it almost seems as they were convinced it couldn't fail, it certainly was great in the good times...the problem appears to be having a common currency and not common fiscal policies, if one country faltered there was no way to disconnect the currencies and all would be punished for the failings of one member... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
olp1fan Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 Then why do more Canadians keep emigrating to the USA than Americans going to Canada? It just frosts your Canuck tits that the US is ranked higher in HDI. how many canadians live in america? i know from the irs articles that theres 1 million americans living in canada who have dual citizenship id love to see your numbers though Quote
Smallc Posted November 10, 2011 Report Posted November 10, 2011 and you've lived there have you?... I already provided you with the evidence. no they're not, other than the quebecois and native peoples we don't have much of a culture, sorry if that comes as shock but it's the truth... Ah, so you do have a misinformed opinion, and I didn't in fact misunderstand you. Canada has a very rich culturally history, and if you can't see it, you're much poorer because of it. Quote
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