RCMP officers sexualy harassed

[WWWTT]

This story seems to be getting bigger every day!

More and more woman are now coming forward with allegations of sexual harassment.

I wonder if the RCMP were allowed to unionize or had an organized union at the time to protect the rights of workers if this disgusting conduct would have bein so widespread?

I know for a fact the union reps would have dealt with this matter swiftly(when notified).It sounds like management at the RCMP did not take the allegations very serious.Shame on them!

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[Tilter]

My niece was a fully trained member of the OPP & quit for the same reason. She was the only female member of the station she served at & couldn't continue. She never filed a complaint at that time& now feels it's too late.

Edited November 9, 2011 by Charles Anthony
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[jacee]

My niece was a fully trained member of the OPP & quit for the same reason. She was the only female member of the station she served at & couldn't continue. She never filed a complaint at that time& now feels it's too late.

Never too late to tell the story to the media!

[fellowtraveller]

know for a fact the union reps would have dealt with this matter swiftly(when notified).

Your union reps are part of the judicial system in Canada?

How unusual.

[bush_cheney2004]

Your union reps are part of the judicial system in Canada?

How unusual.

'Zactly...the 'union bosses' were part of the problem, not the solution. Filing a grievance doesn't work on senior membership, shop stewards, or the union leadership.

[Handsome Rob]

Never too late to tell the story to the media!

Would you want to?

[Handsome Rob]

'Zactly...the 'union bosses' were part of the problem, not the solution. Filing a grievance doesn't work on senior membership, shop stewards, or the union leadership.

In some cases it does. Some unions have a head shed acting in good faith, just the same as some don't. An organization is the sum of it's parts.

[WWWTT]

Your union reps are part of the judicial system in Canada?

How unusual.

Reps is short for an employee representative.

If any employee has a complaint or concern they can approach their shop stewart or rep confidentialy.

The union is independant from management and can conduct its own investigation without any interference from management(theoretically).

This is an important level of protection required for employees in an high stress work environment.

This harassment case is as widespread as a result of the lack of any union representation(in my opinion).

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[wyly]

just trying to look at both sides of the issue...how do you separate normal human behaviour like sexual attraction and advances towards co-workers from sexual harassment?...when does it cross the line?...where is the line...who decides when that line has been crossed...it's also perception is it not?...what may be flirting and a open invitation to one person may be seen as constant harassment to another...

[bush_cheney2004]

In some cases it does. Some unions have a head shed acting in good faith, just the same as some don't. An organization is the sum of it's parts.

But many more didn't in the past, particularly in those industries dominated by male workers. Union members made and some continue to make life miserable for female/gay/black/brown/disabled/etc./etc. workers. Anyone preaching for a union as the solution to sexual harrassment doesn't know the half of it.

[bush_cheney2004]

just trying to look at both sides of the issue...how do you separate normal human behaviour like sexual attraction and advances towards co-workers from sexual harassment

Employment law is pretty clear on this....sexual harassment and hostile working environment is from the victim's perspective. Any decent HR shop has a complete curriculum for teaching Neanderthals what is patently obvious to the rest of us. That includes quid pro quo treatment by superiors for sexual favors.

Edited November 9, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[jacee]

just trying to look at both sides of the issue...how do you separate normal human behaviour like sexual attraction and advances towards co-workers from sexual harassment?...when does it cross the line?...where is the line...who decides when that line has been crossed...it's also perception is it not?...what may be flirting and a open invitation to one person may be seen as constant harassment to another...

How 'bout this ...?

On one occasion during the Pickton investigation, she says that a supervisor told her: "I have a fantasy about Willy Pickton escaping from jail and tracking you down and ripping your clothes off and stringing you from a meat hook and gutting you like a pig.'"

"My supervisors were laughing," she said.

People in management positions do not have union help.

Edited November 9, 2011 by jacee

[jacee]

Would you want to?

When others are doing the same thing? YES!

If it still bothers her, she should dump it out, give it BACK to those who own it.

Write a press release, without naming names if she chooses, and only answer reporters queries by email as she chooses.

It's important (for healing) to GIVE IT BACK TO THEM.

[Rue]

How 'bout this ...?

On one occasion during the Pickton investigation, she says that a supervisor told her: "I have a fantasy about Willy Pickton escaping from jail and tracking you down and ripping your clothes off and stringing you from a meat hook and gutting you like a pig.'"

"My supervisors were laughing," she said.

People in management positions do not have union help.

Unions can be just as f..cked up as management when it comes

to handling such complaints and they too can regularly laugh off such complaints the same reason the managers would-

entrenched behaviour.

Sorry to burst your bubble but this concept unions are full of valiant

soldiers of socialism awaiting the call to duty to defend the vanguard from sex harassmen is a joke.

I was a union rep. so don't give me that leftist piffle. I know how they actually work.

But hey solidarity forever whatever.Please continue that song.

The reality is this-a woman going into a male intensive work sector knows she's on her own. She can't depend on anyone not even her fellow female workers.

Its life. Its unfair, its b.s. but its reality and what women do is what all we minorities did when we had to and still deal with b.s., we decide as individuals whether its worth sticking around and fighting and forming alliances, or whether it aint worth it and we walk away.

I know good women in the police force harassed like hell. They cope. They don't like it but they cope. Some have dealt with it one on one. Some have been written up for defending themselves but they are willing to take the write up to prove their point and avoid being harassed.

Its life. It aint great but its life and the unions can actually make matters worse.

I once represented a rape victim who was a unionized worker in a hospital. The friggin upper senior executive had raped 3 illegal Portugese immigrant women before her. He picked the illegals cuz he knew they did not want to be deported.

The union knew all about it. They were in bed with this sob on kick backs he was rolling back their way. That is real life.

I have been on both sides of the table as a legal counsel on such matters. Doesn't matter which side of the table they sit at, the fools fart the same way.

[wyly]

How 'bout this ...?

On one occasion during the Pickton investigation, she says that a supervisor told her: "I have a fantasy about Willy Pickton escaping from jail and tracking you down and ripping your clothes off and stringing you from a meat hook and gutting you like a pig.'"

"My supervisors were laughing," she said.

on the face of it that's quite nasty, but out of context without the entire conversation and what led up to it...

People in management positions do not have union help.

true a lot of people assume because someone has a job on the public payroll they have a secure position for life...management can be dismissed on on a whim, or their jobs can be made to disappear without warning and they have no recourse other than to take a severance payout and a letter of recommendation...