Homicide Rate Lowest in 44 Years in 2010

[Smallc]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/10/26/homicides-statscan.html

I had though that I had seen this story earlier, but no matter what, it's good news, and continues a general trend of less crime.

[blueblood]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/10/26/homicides-statscan.html

I had though that I had seen this story earlier, but no matter what, it's good news, and continues a general trend of less crime.

Makes sense, the population is getting older and more grown up about these things. That's all I can attribute it to, because with homicide there is very little that can be done to prevent it.

[msj]

But, but, but, what about all those unreported murders!

I suppose an argument has been made about better medical treatment leading to less murder and more attempted murder and/or assault charges?

Anyway, another possible factor is abortion as explained in the book Freakonomics.....

[mentalfloss]

Finally, proof that the conservatives are tough on crime!

[ToadBrother]

Finally, proof that the conservatives are tough on crime!

So tough that their crime bills frighten criminals even before their passage!

[wyly]

But, but, but, what about all those unreported murders!

aww!...you beat me to it..

[wyly]

So tough that their crime bills frighten criminals even before their passage!

does that mean we can spend pretend billion$ on imaginary prisons for the imaginary criminals lurking in conservative imaginations?

[olp1fan]

Those people on This hour has 22 minutes were seriously going to kill Rob Ford

just ask him!!

[ToadBrother]

does that mean we can spend pretend billion$ on imaginary prisons for the imaginary criminals lurking in conservative imaginations?

This is a serious crisis! There are not enough convicts to fill all the planned prisons. Fortunately, the Tory government has come up with a solution to this severe convict crisis; they'll create more mandatory sentencing to make sure more people end up in the prisons they're going to build.

[blueblood]

does that mean we can spend pretend billion$ on imaginary prisons for the imaginary criminals lurking in conservative imaginations?

Unless you prefer overcrowding of the current prison population and ignore population growth.

[WWWTT]

Those people on This hour has 22 minutes were seriously going to kill Rob Ford

just ask him!!

Wrong thread man,try looking in local politics.

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

So tough that their crime bills frighten criminals even before their passage!

Thats because most potential criminals called their defence lawyers when they heard about the new conservative legislation being proposed.

Upon advise from their representation,most potential criminals decided to "hold off" from committing any criminal offences!

Furthermore I heard a rumour that some of these potential criminals are seeking to retain a special interest lobyist to convince the government to amend their new legislation to the criminal code.

Man if only those potential criminals used their knowledge and resources for good instead of evil?

WWWTT

[Moonlight Graham]

Another victory caused by the Occupy movement! OCCUPY!!

[WWWTT]

Another victory caused by the Occupy movement! OCCUPY!!

Are you saying that criminals or potential criminals are not commiting crimes because they are attenting a public protest?

Or that the participants of the OCCUPY protest are criminals?

If so and you can not prove it then that would make your comment slander.

Please clarrify!

WWWTT

[wyly]

Unless you prefer overcrowding of the current prison population and ignore population growth.

how about not sending to prison those sent there for soft crimes...but no, we have government that wants to create more laws to send more people to prison, for offenses that most Canadians don't even think should be crimes...

[blueblood]

how about not sending to prison those sent there for soft crimes...but no, we have government that wants to create more laws to send more people to prison, for offenses that most Canadians don't even think should be crimes...

How about those crooks smarten up and not commit crimes in the first place. Oh wait that's happening. Soft crimes is subjective. Perhaps we should have those petty crooks in rehab centres in the swanky end of town. Don't do the crime if you don't want the time.

[Moonlight Graham]

Are you saying that criminals or potential criminals are not commiting crimes because they are attenting a public protest?

Or that the participants of the OCCUPY protest are criminals?

If so and you can not prove it then that would make your comment slander.

Please clarrify!

WWWTT

I was just kidding, being sarcastic.

[ToadBrother]

How about those crooks smarten up and not commit crimes in the first place. Oh wait that's happening. Soft crimes is subjective. Perhaps we should have those petty crooks in rehab centres in the swanky end of town. Don't do the crime if you don't want the time.

I think the point is that not all crimes are equal, and not every punishment need be a prison sentence.

[Shwa]

How about those crooks smarten up and not commit crimes in the first place. Oh wait that's happening. Soft crimes is subjective. Perhaps we should have those petty crooks in rehab centres in the swanky end of town. Don't do the crime if you don't want the time.

Soft crimes is subjective and, by way of subjectivity, lead to societal disorder and eventually the collapse of that society, complete with the subsequent violence, immorality and overthrow of the government. I got that right, didn't I? You know, because some of those 'soft crimes' are actually hard crimes.

Or do you mean 'soft-on-crime' is subjective leading the inevitable collapse of peace, order and good government?

We hear that crime statistics are "subjective" because they don't account for all the "unreported crime" a notion which is as subjective as can be made.

So naturally, since "soft crime is subjective" it is completely understandable that "we should have those petty crooks in rehab centres in the swanky end of town." Somehow there is a intuitive connection there, itself a method of subjectivity.

Of course all of this completely ignores the fact that reported crimes are down and that the corollary is that "unreported crime" is down as well, unless you wish to subjectively point out how our crime detection methodologies, which have been steadily been improving over the past few generations, has resulted in a decline in ability to detect crime and criminals.

[blueblood]

Soft crimes is subjective and, by way of subjectivity, lead to societal disorder and eventually the collapse of that society, complete with the subsequent violence, immorality and overthrow of the government. I got that right, didn't I? You know, because some of those 'soft crimes' are actually hard crimes.

Or do you mean 'soft-on-crime' is subjective leading the inevitable collapse of peace, order and good government?

We hear that crime statistics are "subjective" because they don't account for all the "unreported crime" a notion which is as subjective as can be made.

So naturally, since "soft crime is subjective" it is completely understandable that "we should have those petty crooks in rehab centres in the swanky end of town." Somehow there is a intuitive connection there, itself a method of subjectivity.

Of course all of this completely ignores the fact that reported crimes are down and that the corollary is that "unreported crime" is down as well, unless you wish to subjectively point out how our crime detection methodologies, which have been steadily been improving over the past few generations, has resulted in a decline in ability to detect crime and criminals.

If you read my posts, I am attributing the reduction in homicides to an aging population and improved economic conditions. Interesting to note that there is a slight increase in the trend of gang/organized crime related homicides as indicated in the ctv article. Also we have a rising population which by the numbers increase the pool of people who commit crimes and a currently overcrowded jails.

Now when I say soft crimes are objective, that depends on a persons opinion of a crime. For example some people think drug dealers should get a slap on the wrist and others think years in the slammer. Then there is amount of time to be served, how long should a person be put away for say a home invasion or robbing a 7-11? Again subjective. THe jails are being built to keep the amount of people with rap sheets on the streets down as there will be appropriate room to accommodate them, decrease overcrowded prisons as that is dangerous and unhealthy, and to respond to the reality of population increase. The rate might be going down and that's a good thing, but the rise in population with said rates still makes the extra jail capacity necessa

Edited October 27, 2011 by blueblood

[Smallc]

The homicide rate should be even lower again this year....except in Winnipeg and Edmonton.

[noahbody]

how about not sending to prison those sent there for soft crimes...but no, we have government that wants to create more laws to send more people to prison, for offenses that most Canadians don't even think should be crimes...

To which offenses are you referring?

[Shwa]

If you read my posts, I am attributing the reduction in homicides to an aging population and improved economic conditions. Interesting to note that there is a slight increase in the trend of gang/organized crime related homicides as indicated in the ctv article. Also we have a rising population which by the numbers increase the pool of people who commit crimes and a currently overcrowded jails.

Wasn't there a news article about the overcrowding myth? Yes, here it is:

No crisis of overcrowding in Canada’s prison system: Corrections head

Isn't blaming future population for "the numbers increase the pool of people who commit crimes" sort of like the whole "unreported crimes" joke?

Now when I say soft crimes are objective, that depends on a persons opinion of a crime. For example some people think drug dealers should get a slap on the wrist and others think years in the slammer. Then there is amount of time to be served, how long should a person be put away for say a home invasion or robbing a 7-11? Again subjective. THe jails are being built to keep the amount of people with rap sheets on the streets down as there will be appropriate room to accommodate them, decrease overcrowded prisons as that is dangerous and unhealthy, and to respond to the reality of population increase. The rate might be going down and that's a good thing, but the rise in population with said rates still makes the extra jail capacity necessa

If someone has a rap sheet and has committed no crimes, haven't they paid their dues? I mean, isn't it a collary that since the crime rate is falling, recidivism is falling also?

[capricorn]

I mean, isn't it a collary that since the crime rate is falling, recidivism is falling also?

Good question Shwa.

We have presented many reasons why it is difficult to come up with one all-encompassing recidivism rate that pleases everyone. Recidivism is a critical issue in corrections, but it is also one of the most difficult issues to address in an easy-to-understand manner.

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/pblct/forum/e053/e053h-eng.shtml

If the professionals charged with incarceration and rehabilitation can't answer that question, how can laymen?

[blueblood]

If someone has a rap sheet and has committed no crimes, haven't they paid their dues? I mean, isn't it a collary that since the crime rate is falling, recidivism is falling also?

That article where the witness who was in favor of loading up the prison pop. However there is many articles to suggest overcrowding

My link

Although they state methods favorable to your side of the argument, they reinforce my point that there is overcrowding.

He numbers and stats say an x per net of people in a population will commit crime. Raise the population and up goes the prison population based on the numbers. It would take quite a bite out of the crime rate to drop the total amount of people headed to the clink.

When people are either fully rehabilitated or in the slammer they aren't recommitting.