cybercoma Posted December 31, 2011 Report Posted December 31, 2011 Let's see.... drunken Rob Ford, who has been charged with domestic violence before, threatens to abduct his children vs an old lady in a viking costume asking filming a comedy show. I guess if you're a shill for Ford those two things would be equal. Quote
Wild Bill Posted December 31, 2011 Report Posted December 31, 2011 Let's see.... drunken Rob Ford, who has been charged with domestic violence before, threatens to abduct his children vs an old lady in a viking costume asking filming a comedy show. I guess if you're a shill for Ford those two things would be equal. I dunno, CC. I have an overall respect for what Ford is trying to do politically but I don't know a lot about the man. He is mayor of what to me is a foreign city, after all. I do know that "Marg", or Mary Walsh, has often mixed her politics in to her comedy. I have never cared for comics to do that myself, at least not Walsh's way. If the show is unabashedly advertised as political humour I can enjoy it, or at least not mind. Walsh does it differently. She will sneak her own leftwing prejudices into a general, nonpolitical venue. She implies that her entire audience agrees with her views. That to me seems arrogant and frankly, cheap! It's another one of those things of many on the left that I don't respect. If I knew it was going to be a leftwingers' bash fest I could take it or leave it. Marg takes advantage of a "captive audience". They can't make a choice until they've already been offended. JMHO Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Boges Posted December 31, 2011 Report Posted December 31, 2011 You're right msj, no one came out and said he should be charged. My bad. Bubber Miley and GotHacked were pretty incredulous that he called 911 in this instance. I agree actually, it was poor judgement. Regarding the Christmas Day issue people who are against Ford are assuming that because he has been arrested in the past, he must be guilty in this instance. Here's a quote from a Star story today. http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1109136--mayor-s-christmas-domestic-dispute-blown-out-of-proportion-says-doug-ford?bn=1 Sources told the Star Renata’s mother made the call after Ford — who she said had been drinking — took the children to the airport to go to Florida against Renata’s wishes.No charges have been laid and there is no evidence the Star knows of to suggest physical violence occurred. The Toronto Sun quotes a source as saying Renata had a ticket to go, but when it was time to leave she felt “uncomfortable with travelling.” Doug Ford told the Sun that Rob Ford had not been drinking. You know what if I had purchased a ticket to for my wife to go to Florida and she decides to pull a 180 at the 11th hour. I'd be super pissed too. Who wouldn't? Yelling isn't against the law. I think the M-i-L was offside here unless there's evidence he hit her. That being said two calls to the police in the few month might indicate this marriage isn't a happy one. But having a crappy marriage isn't unique to Ford. Quote
Rick Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Being with an abusive alcoholic would certainly lead to an unhappy marriage and explain why she might not have wanted to go.... Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
msj Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Being with an abusive alcoholic would certainly lead to an unhappy marriage and explain why she might not have wanted to go.... I really don't know much about Ford's personal life so can someone enlighten me as to if they are still married or are going through a divorce or separation or something? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Wild Bill Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Being with an abusive alcoholic would certainly lead to an unhappy marriage and explain why she might not have wanted to go.... Do you know for a fact that he's an abusive alcoholic or is it just that because you hate him he must be one? Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
Rick Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Do you know for a fact that he's an abusive alcoholic or is it just that because you hate him he must be one? Do you believe he's not or is it just because you love his politics that you think he must not be?FYI...It's been documented and well publicized. Leaf game, Florida arrest for impaired driving and 2 separate arrests for assault. Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
Wild Bill Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Do you believe he's not or is it just because you love his politics that you think he must not be? FYI...It's been documented and well publicized. Leaf game, Florida arrest for impaired driving and 2 separate arrests for assault. How does that define "abusive"? That he drinks I won't argue with. Frankly, I don't care! As I've said many times, Toronto is a foreign city as far as I'm concerned - just a money pit for the taxpayers in the rest of the province. How do you know I love his politics? Could you specifically cite anything I've ever said? Or is it just that since I occasionally disagree with YOU that you figure you know everything that I must believe? It must be a comfort to know all about everything beforehand... Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
scribblet Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Do you know for a fact that he's an abusive alcoholic or is it just that because you hate him he must be one? I think that's part of it, but according to this story, it may not have been Rob Ford who was doing the drinking, and as usual there are always 3 sides to every story, maybe it's not Ford who's the alcoholic.. . The Sun has it right about this being a vicious smear campaign and that Blair needs to investigate the source of these leaks, then fire the butts. http://www.torontosun.com/2011/12/30/ford-says-911-caller-had-story-wrong http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1109136--mayor-s-christmas-domestic-dispute-blown-out-of-proportion-says-doug-ford . The only other domestic incident publicly reported occurred in March 2008, when Ford was a councillor. At the time, Ford was charged with assault and uttering a death threat. Those charges were dropped two months later because of inconsistencies in Renata’s story. and as the article says: At the time authorities felt it best the children remain the custody of the father as well Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
Rick Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Scribblet, you're forgetting about his 2 assault charges. Oh and well, that whole drunk and disorderly abusive behaviour at the Leaf game... and well, there was that impaired driving conviction... But of course, Rob Ford would never lie about any of this right????? Right? Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
msj Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 So, I'm supposing nobody knows dick about Ford then? Or, at least not enough to be making the accusations that Rick and CC have made relating to this one X-mas incident? Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Rick Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 They're still married but I'd be surprised if it lasted another year based on known behaviour patterns . Well unless one of them was ready to go to AA and seek anger management counselling.. Then I suppose some marriage counselling might work... Quote “This is all about who you represent,” Mr. Dewar (NDP) said. “We’re (NDP) talking about representing the interests of working people and everyday Canadians and they [the Conservatives] are about representing the fund managers who come in and fleece our companies and our country. Voted Maple Leaf Web's 'Most Outstanding Poster' 2011
cybercoma Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 How does that define "abusive"? That he drinks I won't argue withGiven that he was verbally abusive to that couple at the Leafs game and he has been charged (case later dismissed) with abuse, one can make the logical assumption that he sure as hell isn't a happy-go-lucky drunk Quote
cybercoma Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 So, I'm supposing nobody knows dick about Ford then? Or, at least not enough to be making the accusations that Rick and CC have made relating to this one X-mas incident? Where did I make accusations? I was just saying that it's not appropriate to smear his MIL for calling the cops because she felt unsafe around Ford. He has shown himself to be an abusive drunk in the past. Quote
msj Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 Where did I make accusations? I was just saying that it's not appropriate to smear his MIL for calling the cops because she felt unsafe around Ford. He has shown himself to be an abusive drunk in the past. I agree that he is a jerk and a liar (see earlier in this thread about his October incident). However, to continue the comments about his drinking and abusive behaviour to this particular story until more facts are known is behaviour best left to gossiping drama queens. Oh, wait.... Quote If a believer demands that I, as a non-believer, observe his taboos in the public domain, he is not asking for my respect but for my submission. And that is incompatible with a secular democracy. Flemming Rose (Dutch journalist) My biggest takeaway from economics is that the past wasn't as good as you remember, the present isn't as bad as you think, and the future will be better than you anticipate. Morgan Housel http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2016/01/14/things-im-pretty-sure-about.aspx
Boges Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 I agree that he is a jerk and a liar (see earlier in this thread about his October incident). However, to continue the comments about his drinking and abusive behaviour to this particular story until more facts are known is behaviour best left to gossiping drama queens. Oh, wait.... The prior incidents involving Ford happened pre-election so clearly 60% of Toronto voters didn't seem to mind his transgressions. In fact during the election campaign it came out he was arrested for possessing pot and a DUI in Florida. Didn't hurt his campaign in the least. Anyone assuming because of those events he's guilty here are blinded by their hatred for him. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 1, 2012 Report Posted January 1, 2012 So what if he got elected? That doesn't excuse him. Quote
Boges Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 So what if he got elected? That doesn't excuse him. Clearly he's been forgiven by the public for what he did in the past. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 Clearly he's been forgiven by the public for what he did in the past. So what? That still doesn't excuse what he did. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 How does that define "abusive"? That he drinks I won't argue with. Frankly, I don't care! As I've said many times, Toronto is a foreign city as far as I'm concerned - just a money pit for the taxpayers in the rest of the province. Toronto puts far more into this province's coffers than it gets back from the boondocks. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 The prior incidents involving Ford happened pre-election so clearly 60% of Toronto voters didn't seem to mind his transgressions. Wait what? 60 per cent? Quote
Shady Posted January 2, 2012 Report Posted January 2, 2012 This thread is still going??? /facepalm Quote
LonJowett Posted January 3, 2012 Report Posted January 3, 2012 This thread is still going??? /facepalm I just read it for the first time. I can see why you would want it to go away. Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
Shady Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 I just read it for the first time. I can see why you would want it to go away. Why's that? Quote
LonJowett Posted January 4, 2012 Report Posted January 4, 2012 Why's that? I think whenever anybody uses that lamest and most unoriginal right-wing debating tactic "the derangement syndrome" as an argument, they would be embarrassed for themselves. Unless, of course, they were too foolish to understand their own idiocy. Quote Oliver: Now why did you get two tickets to Chicago when you know that I wanted to spend my honeymoon in Saskatchewan? Stanley: Well, the man said there was no such place as sus - -Swee - Sas...
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