Mayor Ford calls 911 on CBC comedians

Boges · October 28, 2011

Pretty much not anymore, only one side.

1-true that. Why 'd he lie?

2-she was

3-they were, I know, cuz I live close by and know his driveway is a little longer than his mini van and people leave room at the top. I guarantee you , she was walking up from the bottom when he saw her

4-except she was inside and he said she was with him. And afraid of a is bs, she must be traumitized by his press conference, or the Mayoral campaign where cameras are around non-stop

I do have one caveat, apparently the death threats are real and for that I was wrong. That said, he was not afraid for anything, no one smiles and keeps walking towards their attacker unless he or she is 350lbs and his nemesis is 160 lb woman.

Come on boges, his whole story is bs.

You're only acknowledging facts that suit your opinion.

You've ignore the fact the CBC went to press on a story without hearing the tape and reported things that have proven to be false.

You're also ignoring the CBC was classless to pull the stunt it in the first place. As far as I can tell he lied about one thing. The time of day. We're parsing little iddy details of the event and blowing them out of proportion.

BTW the CBC's "sources" are still secret.

Here's a "source" that's not so secret now.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/28/rob-ford-did-not-say-bitches-police-chief-william-blair/

“While it is not my practice to comment on 9-1-1 calls made to TPS emergency operators, serious allegations have been made about what was said during a series of three calls involving the mayor, and whether there was any abuse of the 9-1-1 service.
“I’m concerned that this may have created confusion with the public about whether to call 9-1-1 or not. I cannot allow that to happen. Public safety is too important. Let me be clear. Anyone who has concerns for their safety, or the safety of their family, should call 9-1-1 without hesitation.

“I also feel it is necessary to set the record straight about the conversations. There have been no complaints by any members of the TPS about the 9-1-1 conversations.

“The content of those conversations has been misrepresented by what are claimed to be “several anonymous sources,” presumably from within the TPS, in which case I have to set the record straight. I have listened to the three emergency calls. The mayor did not use the word “bitches,” attributed to him by those “several anonymous sources.” The mayor did not describe himself as the original account claimed.

“Emergency calls involve people who are under stress, trying to communicate with emergency operators. Those operators work under great pressure, trying to get vital information from people, who are extremely anxious, so the proper police resources can be deployed. Our emergency operators are extremely well trained, equipped to deal with the most difficult situations. What is most important, above all else, is that public safety is protected.”

William Blair

Chief of Police

capricorn · October 28, 2011

The only way you would think that is if you have made a judgment about what the tapes contain, which you've said repeatedly that you refuse to do. Nice try.

Please show me where I "repeatedly refused" to make a judgment of the tape contents. For starters I would not make a judgment about the contents of a tape I had not heard or a document I had not read. It's not the content of the 911 calls that concerns me because as I said if Ford's actions are a continuing problem for Toronto, that's for Torontonians and Toronto authorities to address. My point is that the CBC placed itself in the position of becoming an integral part of the news story and as such it is valid to question whether it can cover that news in an unbiased manner.

CBC claims they double-checked with their sources and those sources are standing behind their assertion. Really, you could be just as easily questioning the credibility of Rob Ford, whose credibility is nothing if not questionable already.

Again Ford's credibility is of no concern to me. I have my own City Hall issues to deal with and I have no vested interest in Toronto's civic politics. As a taxpayer that continues to help subsidize the CBC to the tune of 1.1 billion dollars annually, that's where my attention is focused.

jacee · October 28, 2011

Sure and Blair NEVER lies to the public ... oh wait! G20 ... special powers ... officers removing badges ... never happened ... :lol:

People aren't really serious about defending his excellency "RFF" are they?

The guy's an idiot ... a bumbling court jester ... a fool ... a joke.

And the joke's on his voters. :lol:

capricorn · October 28, 2011

He's ROBFUCKINGFORD!!!! :lol:

Anything new or original to contribute? :rolleyes:

Boges · October 28, 2011

Sure and Blair NEVER lies to the public ... oh wait! G20 ... special powers ... officers removing badges ... never happened ...

People aren't really serious about defending his excellency "RFF" are they?

The guy's an idiot ... a bumbling court jester ... a fool ... a joke.

And the joke's on his voters.

I KNEW IT!!!

People would call into question Bill Blair's ethics.

A Chief that was appointed by one, David Miller. And a Chief that was recently trotted out by the Ford admin to make cuts he didn't think he could make.

But because he had issues during the G20 he must be covering for Ford. You know Dalton McGuinty screwed the pooch during the G20 too.

These guys aren't BFF's.

I'm with Capricorn. Ford is not my mayor. He's certainly got a weird public persona and he's got a temper problem. I like the idea of a Conservative Mayor in Toronto but it'd be nice if he had some charisma.

But the left-wing media is being reckless in their quest to ruin the man. The Star can do that because it's a private company. But the CBC get taxpayer money, this is unbecoming of our public broadcaster.

scribblet · October 28, 2011

Not a good idea to simply repeat lies without checking the news tonight is reporting that TO Police says that the Mayor did not use those words and did not say 'I'm Rob-fucking-Ford,' etc. during a 911 call Monday morning and has released a statement to that effect.

Not that the Police Chief's statement or facts will sway anyone from their ideological blinkered beliefs. LOL

The_Squid · October 28, 2011

Not that the Police Chief's statement or facts will sway anyone from their ideological blinkered beliefs.

It's not ideological to point out when someone lies and point out the fact that 911 is not supposed to be used to call in when someone annoys you. Emergencies only. Why is that so hard for Ford-lovers to understand??? :lol:

scribblet · October 28, 2011

Not being a 'Ford Lover' I wouldn't know, but I do know that it has been said repeatedly on here, that due to death threats on himself and his family the police advised him to call 911 if he felt necesssary - what part of that don't you understand - or are you willfully ignoring it.

Ideologically blinkered beliefs will not allow you to consider that it is now fact that Ford did not lie.

Boges · October 28, 2011

It's not ideological to point out when someone lies and point out the fact that 911 is not supposed to be used to call in when someone annoys you. Emergencies only. Why is that so hard for Ford-lovers to understand???

If the only thing Ford did wrong was call 911 when some seem to think he didn't have to and report it was dark out when it wasn't, I think voters will get over it.

cybercoma · October 28, 2011

Not being a 'Ford Lover' I wouldn't know, but I do know that it has been said repeatedly on here, that due to death threats on himself and his family the police advised him to call 911 if he felt necesssary

Is that why he was smiling and jovial when she approached him? He was so concerned for his life and his daughter's life that he was practically laughing at first?

Keepitsimple · October 29, 2011

More and more, CBC comes out looking like the angry, frustrated Left-wing entity that they are. How dumb to try and continue their rants against a duly elected mayor of Canada's largest city - with nothing more than unsubstantiated rumours from dubious sources. Where was this vitriole when David Miller was mayor? Shameful. Shameless. Can everyone not see the bias now?

cybercoma · October 29, 2011

RT @kinsellawarren "Chief Blair comes to defence of guy who oversees his budget. That same Chief who joked about lying to media about G20, perchance? Naw."

msj · October 29, 2011

I knew that would get one of you riled up.

People here have basically called Ford a pussy for reacting the way he did and I agree it was an over reaction. But if I was receiving letters like that I might be a little jumpy if two people came to my house in the morning. Just sayin'

I already cited the source about the CBC saying the 911 Opperator filing a grievance. You can see the post on page 9 of the thread. The story on the link has changed since the story has changed.

Here's the quote though.

Ok, so I went to page 9 and found that you posted this CBC story link.

I have read it, I have searched it for the words that you claim, and have not found it.

Now, I know you are saying that the story has changed but I have found your reading comprehension skills to be borderline in the past, so, once again, cite please?

WWWTT · October 29, 2011

Why is everyone cursing and hurling insults at each other on this thred?

Just because the hounarable Mayor of Toronto used foul language doesn't mean that its OK to use this language/insults when debating on this forum!

Its actually disgusting reading some of the stuff in this thread!

WWWTT

cybercoma · October 29, 2011

Do you know who these posters are? Well, do you!? :lol:

BubberMiley · October 29, 2011

Ideologically blinkered beliefs will not allow you to consider that it is now fact that Ford did not lie.

Nope. Nothing has been proven until he releases the tapes. If he has nothing to hide, he will do so. If he has coerced the police chief into lying for him, we'll never hear them.

It's up to Ford to clear his name.

jacee · October 29, 2011

Nope. Nothing has been proven until he releases the tapes. If he has nothing to hide, he will do so. If he has coerced the police chief into lying for him, we'll never hear them.

It's up to Ford to clear his name.

He don't need no stinking "clear" name !!!!!

He's ROBFUCKINGFORD !!!!!!!

Lmao some more! :lol:

Boges · October 29, 2011

Ok, so I went to page 9 and found that you posted this CBC story link.

I have read it, I have searched it for the words that you claim, and have not found it.

Now, I know you are saying that the story has changed but I have found your reading comprehension skills to be borderline in the past, so, once again, cite please?

Well, I'll stand by my "Stay Classy Left Wingers" take. :rolleyes:

I quoted the story and no one at the time questioned it. Do you think I just made that report up? If I was going to make information I'm would have made up far more damning quote than that.

I don't know if you know how this internet news thing works but they keep updating pages as new information becomes available. Clearly when news came out that no 911 operators filed a grievance, that post was taken down.

But I did find this blog that refers to the same issue I was discussing.

http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2011/10/27/toronto-911-not-amused-at-mayor-rob-fords-verbal-abuse/

If I treated dispatchers that way, I wouldn’t want to discuss those calls to media either. 911 staff have filed a complaint with the police union.

And Oh, this blog was also linking the same freakin' story I was.

Is that Citation enough for you. Do you now believe that the initial reports included claims that the 911 operator filed a Union Grievance?

Edited October 29, 2011 by Boges

msj · October 29, 2011

Well, I'll stand by my "Stay Classy Left Wingers" take.

I quoted the story and no one at the time questioned it. Do you think I just made that report up? If I was going to make information I'm would have made up far more damning quote than that.

I don't know if you know how this internet news thing works but they keep updating pages as new information becomes available. Clearly when news came out that no 911 operators filed a grievance, that post was taken down.

But I did find this blog that refers to the same issue I was discussing.

http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2011/10/27/toronto-911-not-amused-at-mayor-rob-fords-verbal-abuse/

Um, where?

Where is the direct quote from the CBC where they state that dispatcher(s) had filed a grievance against the union?

You have made a specific claim and the best you can do is ramble on and not produce any cached source for it.

Boges · October 29, 2011

Um, where?

Where is the direct quote from the CBC where they state that dispatcher(s) had filed a grievance against the union?

You have made a specific claim and the best you can do is ramble on and not produce any cached source for it.

So you do think I made up that quote yesterday. Just pulled it out of thin air. :rolleyes:

The reason I can't find any reference to the issue now is because it's not really important anymore because the Narrative of the story has shifted to Rob Ford's denial of the CBC's claim and the police chief backing him up.

I'm curious if Black Dog will back me up here. Because he initially asked me to cite the source before the link I provided changed. Assuming he read the link.

Edited October 29, 2011 by Boges

msj · October 29, 2011

So you do think I made up that quote yesterday. Just pulled it out of thin air.

The reason I can't find any reference to the issue now is because it's not really important anymore because the Narrative of the story has shifted to Rob Ford's denial of the CBC's claim and the police chief backing him up.

I'm curious if Black Dog will back me up here. Because he initially asked me to cite the source before the link I provided changed. Assuming he read the link.

Fair enough.

Media do update their stories to fix typos and make corrections.

If they did say what you state then they obviously have corrected it upon talking to their "sources" or checking with the police/union.

And it makes little difference.

My point about Ford remains - the man is a liar simply for maintaining that it was "dark" out at 8am in the morning.

Yeah, when the sun comes up around 7:40ish and the video clearly shows it being light out that's an obvious lie.

As for the rest - we don't know the context or timing of the three separate calls.

We don't know if his daughter was upset due to his hysterics or due to Marg wielding a plastic sword in the driveway.

If he would release the tapes then we could get a sense of what happened but why would he?

If he's smart he won't release them because they are unlikely to portray him in a flattering way even if his side of the story is 100% correct.

scribblet · October 29, 2011

Nope. Nothing has been proven until he releases the tapes. If he has nothing to hide, he will do so. If he has coerced the police chief into lying for him, we'll never hear them.

It's up to Ford to clear his name.

It's up to the CBC to retract and apologize. I see no reason now why Ford should release them as it wouldn't matter, you et al would simply say they were edited - so what's the point.

charter.rights · October 29, 2011

It's up to the CBC to retract and apologize. I see no reason now why Ford should release them as it wouldn't matter, you et al would simply say they were edited - so what's the point.

Count on CBC to get hold of a copy of the 911 tapes. They have said repeatedly that they have verified the information twice after the fact with their sources and have every confidence in what was said.

I'll wait for it because as far as I am concerned, regardless of what actually was said Ford acted badly.

Wild Bill · October 29, 2011

It's up to the CBC to retract and apologize. I see no reason now why Ford should release them as it wouldn't matter, you et al would simply say they were edited - so what's the point.

Scribb, it's not that easy for Ford to release the tapes. I'm sure a lot of his attackers know this and are salivating as they wait to see if he'll do it.

You see, in this matter he's not just a private citizen. He's the Mayor! This incident will NOT be treated in isolation! If Ford releases the tapes and they prove he's telling the truth then as Mayor he has started a war!

His job is to keep everybody pulling together. This is difficult enough with his budget cuts. If he proves the 911 operators and the police did things wrong do you think they will meekly bow their heads in shame and accept the rebuke?

The hell they will! They will be pissed at the Mayor for embarrassing them and they will respond accordingly. Ford will have bought himself a couple of years of grief trying to work with them. Likely other services will side with the police and the operators. The problem will just balloon, perhaps out of control.

I think either he's lying (he IS a politician! Just as Leftists seem to forget that their guys are not always saints the same is true on the right) and doesn't want the tapes revealed OR he's hoping that if he stays classy the police and operators will realize that and get off his back, to show a bit of appreciation.

If this is the case, I think he's dreaming in technicolour! Militant unions don't think that deeply! They are going to keep giving him a hard time because he's a rightwinger and to them that makes him a reptilian kitten eater! Period and end of story!

So if he's indeed innocent then he will have no choice but to release the tapes and accept all the trouble from those services for the rest of his term. Frankly, I don't see how we can tell the truth without them. The CBC has managed successfully to divert the issue from their crew being dickheads to one where it's all about Ford.

We can all make a lot of noise here on MLW but it doesn't matter. We're just going to have to wait and see how things unfold.

Edited October 29, 2011 by Wild Bill

Shwa · October 29, 2011

More and more, CBC comes out looking like the angry, frustrated Left-wing entity that they are. How dumb to try and continue their rants against a duly elected mayor of Canada's largest city - with nothing more than unsubstantiated rumours from dubious sources. Where was this vitriole when David Miller was mayor? Shameful. Shameless. Can everyone not see the bias now?

More and more the CBC come out to look like they don't cow down to any ideology and are capable of making fun of them all. They were doing it before it was cool.

The only angry ones here are the frustrated right-wing entities because they lack a funny bone. David Miller was milquetoast compared to Rob F-King Ford, don't you understand that?