bush_cheney2004 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 ...It's a lose-lose situation for the left, of course, as they've already made fools of themselves on these issues in this past, and can either choose to be consistently absurd by advancing the same demands and criticisms now, or choose to be hypocritical by staying silent. Yes...sucks to be them. Even Milosevic laughed at them in death. C'mon...where are the chants for Obama and Harper as "war criminals"? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 ...I think I am more conservative and I'll question it all. So.... you want an investigation that leads to punishment of those who are guilty of violating Qaddafi's "rights"? You think those that executed Qaddafi should be charged and convicted of murder? Do you also want justice for Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya, who've all had their "sovereignty" violated by the USA and NATO, respectively? Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Bob Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) Yes...sucks to be them. Even Milosevic laughed at them in death. C'mon...where are the chants for Obama and Harper as "war criminals"? If you're a Muslim murdering people while shouting "Allahu Akbhar!", which is of course the standard refrain of any Muslim murderer/terrorist from any group, you're immune to allegations of "war crimes" from the left. After all, you'd only be legitimately "resisting American colonialism/imperialism" and defending "your land". Edited October 21, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 So.... you want an investigation that leads to punishment of those who are guilty of violating Qaddafi's "rights"? You think those that executed Qaddafi should be charged and convicted of murder? Do you also want justice for Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya, who've all had their "sovereignty" violated by the USA and NATO, respectively? Yes....there should be UN investigations and trials by the ICC. Human rights have been violated, dammit! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bob Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Yes....there should be UN investigations and trials by the ICC. Human rights have been violated, dammit! You are joking, but perhaps you've forgotten that America's "ally", Pakistan, made moves at the UN to go after America for violating its "sovereignty" after the termination of Osama bin Laden. Prior to that, if I recall correctly, the UN was already making its own moves to reprimand the USA in one way or another. I can't recall all the details, because of course the UN is so ridiculous and unworthy of serious consideration, but I think Ban Ki-Moon also made statements chastising America's actions in the killing of Osama bin Laden, echoing the rhetoric of the enemy. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
maple_leafs182 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 So.... you want an investigation that leads to punishment of those who are guilty of violating Qaddafi's "rights"? You think those that executed Qaddafi should be charged and convicted of murder? Do you also want justice for Yemen, Pakistan, and Libya, who've all had their "sovereignty" violated by the USA and NATO, respectively? I do think they should be tried and convicted of murder, however it is up to the people of Libya to do that. I don't think we should be attacking those countries, we should get out of those countries and Canada should get out of NATO. Quote │ _______ [███STOP███]▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄▄ :::::::--------------Conservatives beleive ▄▅█FUNDING THIS█▅▄▃▂- - - - - --- -- -- -- -------- Liberals lie I██████████████████] ...◥⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙▲⊙'(='.'=)' ⊙
kactus Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) He had his chance to surrender peacefully. Instead he fled back to his home territory where he was inevitably going to be cornered like a rat. Good riddance to vile rubbish. Gaddhafi was a bad guy and no one needed a trial to confirm it. No one is denying that...The point is that there are still unanswered questions about the Lockerbie bombing, his nuclear dealings with the so called america's "ally" Pakistan amongst other mysterious unresolved questions. Lots of other dictators were tried at Hague why should this be an exception? Personally, I would have thought that killing Gadaffi has set back the effort to find the truth. Edited October 21, 2011 by kactus Quote
Topaz Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Posted October 21, 2011 I wonder if the UN or NATO ever told the rebels, they wanted Qaddafi alive or told them to kill him? I also wonder which country is next and after listening to Baird, between Syria and Iran, Baird's jumped on Iran, probably they are more of a problem for Israel than Syria is. How will they create a good reason for NATO to go after Iran and this country does have a good military so this could get bloodier than Iraq. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 I wonder if the UN or NATO ever told the rebels, they wanted Qaddafi alive or told them to kill him? No...NATO has repeatedly tried to kill Qaddafi in situ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 I do think they should be tried and convicted of murder, however it is up to the people of Libya to do that. I don't think we should be attacking those countries, we should get out of those countries and Canada should get out of NATO. Agreed. NATO bombed Libya back to the stone age, it will take over 10 years to rebuild the country. Mostly by western companies. Create the problem to offer the solution. Canada has helped commit atrocities during this 'conflict'. I am not happy about that one bit. So yes, Harper and Obama should be tried for war crimes against humanity. Quote
kactus Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 I also wonder which country is next and after listening to Baird, between Syria and Iran, Baird's jumped on Iran, probably they are more of a problem for Israel than Syria is. How will they create a good reason for NATO to go after Iran and this country does have a good military so this could get bloodier than Iraq. The hawks have been robbing their hands on this for too long with all the hoohaas for an attack on Iran.......You can actually see how many threads have been openned here with all kinds of rhetorics and war scenarios. Nah the mud wouldn't stick. Let Baird et al bark as loud as they can. You can bet it will get bloodier... On Gaddafi I think keeping him alive wouldn't have served anyone's interest. I mean this is the same guy who shook hand with Blair, Brown and Obama. I always doubted why they released Al Megrahi the mastermind behind Lockerbie bombing to go back to Libya. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 ....On Gaddafi I think keeping him alive wouldn't have served anyone's interest. I mean this is the same guy who shook hand with Blair, Brown and Obama.... Yes....and Paul Martin. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GostHacked Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 The hawks have been robbing their hands on this for too long with all the hoohaas for an attack on Iran.......You can actually see how many threads have been openned here with all kinds of rhetorics and war scenarios. Nah the mud wouldn't stick. Let Baird et al bark as loud as they can. You can bet it will get bloodier... I mm thinking Syria is next. Iran is a few years off yet. On Gaddafi I think keeping him alive wouldn't have served anyone's interest. I mean this is the same guy who shook hand with Blair, Brown and Obama. I always doubted why they released Al Megrahi the mastermind behind Lockerbie bombing to go back to Libya. Yeah that never sit right with me. If he was really the bomber and if he was really sponsored by Libya, why would Scotland Yard release him back to Libya? It does not make any sense. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Yeah that never sit right with me. If he was really the bomber and if he was really sponsored by Libya, why would Scotland Yard release him back to Libya? It does not make any sense. Scotland Yard didn't let him go. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
kactus Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) I mm thinking Syria is next. Iran is a few years off yet. Guess you may be right. But I doubt even the next few years.... Yeah that never sit right with me. If he was really the bomber and if he was really sponsored by Libya, why would Scotland Yard release him back to Libya? It does not make any sense. I think it was the scottish government that ordered his release nevertheless it was a wrong move in my opinion. Edited October 21, 2011 by kactus Quote
GostHacked Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Scotland Yard didn't let him go. You are right, Scotland let him go. But that still fails to answer why. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 You are right, Scotland let him go. But that still fails to answer why. Well, I would have put him in an old 747 ready for the desert, take 'er up to 10,000 and bail out DB Cooper style while waving bye-bye to the scumbag as I drift Earthward. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Well, I would have put him in an old 747 ready for the desert, take 'er up to 10,000 and bail out DB Cooper style while waving bye-bye to the scumbag as I drift Earthward. That still fails to answer why he was released. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 That still fails to answer why he was released. Apparently for reasons of compassion. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bob Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 U.N. calls for Gadhafi death investigation Unsurprisingly, the UN and two of its appendages, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, are calling for an "international investigation" into the death of Qaddafi. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
ToadBrother Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 No one is denying that...The point is that there are still unanswered questions about the Lockerbie bombing, his nuclear dealings with the so called america's "ally" Pakistan amongst other mysterious unresolved questions. Lots of other dictators were tried at Hague why should this be an exception? Personally, I would have thought that killing Gadaffi has set back the effort to find the truth. You're presuming Gaddafi could have been taken alive. I have my doubts. He was not strictly a rational player, like. say, Ben Ali in Tunisia, who saw the writing on the wall, got on a plane and got the hell out with as much money as he could carry. Gaddafi, by remaining in Libya even after it was clear that the UN Security Council was moving against him, essentially wrote his own end. To get to him before the rebels did would have meant a lot of boots on the ground, precisely what NATO did not want to do. So there was no way to assure Gaddafi was taken alive. Beyond that, I'm not exactly sure what anyone would have expected if he had been captured and put on tiral. From what we've seen a bad guys who end up before the Hague, or any court for that matter, they don't exactly sit there and spill all their dirty secrets. Quite the opposite, they're defiant, usually refusing to recognize the court's legitimacy, and generally use the proceedings as a soapbox for their megalomania. And Gaddafi would have been the megalomaniac to end all megalomaniacs. Can you imagine what a farce he would have turned any investigation and trial into? This was a guy who, at a basic level, viewed his position and his country as a stage on which he could perform. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 U.N. calls for Gadhafi death investigation Unsurprisingly, the UN and two of its appendages, Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch, are calling for an "international investigation" into the death of Qaddafi. Details are sketchy, but I don't think it takes a genius. NATO and the rebels cornered him, he tried to escape into a sewer at the last, possibly wounded from a NATO strike, and the rebels abused him and put a bullet in his head. Not terribly nice, but guys like Gaddafi, once captured by those they abused, cannot expect a nice tidy prison cell and three squares a day. All in all, I'm surprised the rebels were that gentle. I had fully expected that if he were cornered, the abuse would have gone on a lot longer. His end wasn't all that different from Mussolini or Ceausescu, and I don't exactly here people wailing and gnashing their teeth about how those guys went down. Tip to future dictators who end up in Gaddafi's position. Take a page from Hitler's book and shoot yourself in the head, because you just know once your enemies catch up to you, it's going to be very bad. Quote
wyly Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Details are sketchy, but I don't think it takes a genius. NATO and the rebels cornered him, he tried to escape into a sewer at the last, possibly wounded from a NATO strike, and the rebels abused him and put a bullet in his head. Not terribly nice, but guys like Gaddafi, once captured by those they abused, cannot expect a nice tidy prison cell and three squares a day. All in all, I'm surprised the rebels were that gentle. I had fully expected that if he were cornered, the abuse would have gone on a lot longer. His end wasn't all that different from Mussolini or Ceausescu, and I don't exactly here people wailing and gnashing their teeth about how those guys went down. Tip to future dictators who end up in Gaddafi's position. Take a page from Hitler's book and shoot yourself in the head, because you just know once your enemies catch up to you, it's going to be very bad. I think it would have been better if they kept him alive for a trial and then execution, it would've aided in keeping libya focused and united while the government transitions to calmer state and an elected democracy, and a public demonstration of equal and fair justice is an important step for any new democracy...but it's done now and I understand the hostility of those who captured him seeking immediate revenge for friends and family killed by him, killing him also ends any rallying point for those loyal to him, ending all hostilities and saving lives...so it's 6 of one half a dozen of the other.. Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
GostHacked Posted October 21, 2011 Report Posted October 21, 2011 Dead men tell no truths. This benefits NATO because putting Gadhafi on trial would expose some of the atrocities NATO committed against Libya and Libyans. Quote
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