Thoughts Ten Years Later, September 11, 2001

[Guest Derek L]

I am not saying they should, I am saying that if we continue to go on killing people and messing with the politics of other countries then we should expect hatred in return and the possibility of violent retaliation.

So you would reverse our nations foreign policy for decades to appease Middle Eastern fiefdoms?

Based on our current policies, if we where attacked tomorrow, would you feel we deserved it?

[maple_leafs182]

I think you do understand, but won't commit yourself to your own ideology when it means actually attacking Canada. Here is a list of official soft targets in Canada....note how many are subsidiaries of American corporations:

   Plasma Sanofi Pasteur Ltd.
   Toronto,
   - Polio virus vaccine
   GlaxoSmithKile Biologicals,
   Quebec,
   - Pre-pandemic influenza vaccines
   Chalk River Nuclear Facility,
   Ontario
   - Largest supplier of medical radioisotopes in the world
   Allied Signal,
   Amherstburg, Ontario
   - Hydrofluoric Acid Production Facility
   General Dynamics Land Systems
   London Ontario
   - Critical to the production of the Stryker/USMC LAV Vehicle Integration
   Raytheon Systems Canada Ltd. ELCAN Optical Technologies Division, Midland, Ontario
   - Critical to the production of the AGM-130
   Missile Thales Optronique Canada, Inc.
   Montreal, Quebec
   - Critical optical systems for ground combat vehicles

If you actually believe that the US "had it coming", then admit to the very same for Canada...if you dare.

Oh, ya, I am saying the very same for Canada, that is why I said we. Any member country of NATO that is supporting these wars.

[bush_cheney2004]

...Based on our current policies, if we where attacked tomorrow, would you feel we deserved it?

Yeah...guess we have to force it out of him. Does Canada deserve exploding plutonium hockey pucks or not!

[Guest Derek L]

Oh, ya, I am saying the very same for Canada, that is why I said we. Any member country of NATO that is supporting these wars.

So if we get attacked, we deserved it?

[bush_cheney2004]

Oh, ya, I am saying the very same for Canada, that is why I said we. Any member country of NATO that is supporting these wars.

What about the countries not in NATO who also support "these wars"? They all deserve to be attacked? The UN should be attacked too?

[maple_leafs182]

I have never said we or anyone deserves to be attacked and killed, I don't support killings, what I am saying is the reason why people did something like 9/11 is directly related to foreign policy.

[bush_cheney2004]

I have never said we or anyone deserves to be attacked and killed, I don't support killings, what I am saying is the reason why people did something like 9/11 is directly related to foreign policy.

Actually, this is what you said:

The US has been actively involved in middle eastern politics for several years,

the US did have it coming to them

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Ergo, using your logic, Canada has it "coming to them" as well.

[Guest Derek L]

I have never said we or anyone deserves to be attacked and killed, I don't support killings, what I am saying is the reason why people did something like 9/11 is directly related to foreign policy.

Did someone hack into your account?

I don't see anything wrong with his post. He didn't condone their actions or anything and it's not like innocent civilians aren't being killed from these wars that preceded 9/11. The US has been actively involved in middle eastern politics for several years, the US did have it coming to them.

I live a few blocks from an elementary school…….if god forbid, tomorrow, middle eastern terrorists went into the school and killed dozens of children, you would feel we deserved it based on our involvement in Afghanistan?

[maple_leafs182]

Yet again, I didn't say they deserved it. I am saying that a terrorist attack should have been predictable based on America's foreign policy over the past decades.

[Guest Derek L]

Yet again, I didn't say they deserved it. I am saying that a terrorist attack should have been predictable based on America's foreign policy over the past decades.

You said they had it coming to them.......Whats the difference?

[bush_cheney2004]

Yet again, I didn't say they deserved it. I am saying that a terrorist attack should have been predictable based on America's foreign policy over the past decades.

America already had terrorist attacks...for over 150 years! Why are you parsing American foreign policy for a few decades compared to 200 years of "interventionist policies"? Would Libyans loyal to Ghaddafi be justified in raining death on Canadians for their "foreign policy"?

Edited September 13, 2011 by bush_cheney2004

[maple_leafs182]

You said they had it coming to them.......Whats the difference?

Really, I already said what I meant several times.

Would Libyans loyal to Ghaddafi be justified in raining death on Canadians for their "foreign policy"?

I wouldn't say it would be justified but if it did happen we would know exactly why it happened.

[bush_cheney2004]

Really, I already said what I meant several times.

Yes..you are being coy.

I wouldn't say it would be justified but if it did happen we would know exactly why it happened.

Okay...so why hasn't Canada changed its "foreign policy", if it has such things "coming to it"?

[Guest Derek L]

Really, I already said what I meant several times.

I wouldn't say it would be justified but if it did happen we would know exactly why it happened.

That they had it coming........so does Canada have it coming too?

[maple_leafs182]

Okay...so why hasn't Canada changed its "foreign policy", if it has such things "coming to it"?

I wish we would. There is a reason why I don't support any of the big 3 parties.

That they had it coming........so does Canada have it coming too?

If we are attacked then we shouldn't be shocked.

[Guest Derek L]

I wish we would. There is a reason why I don't support any of the big 3 parties.

If we are attacked then we shouldn't be shocked.

As per you, the Americans had/have it coming...........Now if we are attacked one day, I wouldn't be surprised, (I'm surprised that we haven't been yet) but there's a difference between being surprised and thinking a country "had it coming". Does Canada have it coming?

[dre]

The attacks are definately a classic example of BLOWBACK.

But that doesnt mean anyone "had it coming"... Especially not the 2000+ people in the world trade center.

Actions have consequences. Sometimes good ones, sometimes bad ones, some times planned ones, and sometimes unexpected ones.

[Moonlight Graham]

The attacks are definately a classic example of BLOWBACK.

"Blowback" refers to covert operations. Which covert operation(s) made al-Qaeda declare war on the US & other westerners?

Personally I don't think it was just "blowback", there are grievances over clandestine operations but maybe even more importantly are the ones right in front of their faces (ie: Gulf War I and Israel support) that caused resentment.

[Sir Bandelot]

In this dog-eat-dog world, I have no problem with the concept, whoever attacks others should also be attacked.

Or what would you expect, hugs?

[jbg]

I don't see anything wrong with his post. He didn't condone their actions or anything and it's not like innocent civilians aren't being killed from these wars that preceded 9/11. The US has been actively involved in middle eastern politics for several years, the US did have it coming to them.

Let me get this straight. It's somehow sinful or disgraceful to put underwear on the head of a prisoner. And somehow that justifies slamming planes into buildings?

[jbg]

Oh, ya, I am saying the very same for Canada, that is why I said we. Any member country of NATO that is supporting these wars.

Let me get this right. The Western oil companies went in and turned oil, above which camels traversed, into a valuable commodity. The princes of the Arabs living astride the oil made their own lifestyle even more splended than it was back in the days of Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves. The princes elected not to share the wealth fairly.

Western armed forces, from time to time, found it necessary to protect the property interests of the companies that developed the oil and engaged in other commercial activities. Also to protect their prosperity, which depended upon oil developed not by the camel-driving princes, but by Westerners.

This exercise in property protection somehow validates violent attacks on Western interests, people who have nothing to do with military efforts in the Ummah? Somehow there's a bit of a disconnect.

[GostHacked]

Let me get this straight. It's somehow sinful or disgraceful to put underwear on the head of a prisoner. And somehow that justifies slamming planes into buildings?

Remember the planes slammed into the buildings before the underwear on the head. It's not justification, but an explanation, not that it is right or anything.

[eyeball]

The point of all this is to have you and Mr. Paul learn a little bit more about history, not histrionics. Still waiting for those Vietnamese terrorists....

Why, they won. They got what they wanted. They handed you your asses and you went home. You should count your lucky stars they're Buddhists who aren't really big on vengeance. Hopefully Islam will take the same cue when they finally put the run on you too.

You know those We'll Never Forget banners your country flies, they should really say, We'll Never Learn.

[eyeball]

Your post is sickening.

If some group wants to fight us, let them declare war and attack our troops and forts. Only cowards attack civilians as primary targets.

You want to know what sickening really is? It's when the greatest Shining Beacon of democracy and freedom on the planet maintains a harem of dictators and despots. You're like a Pope and his network of pedophiles. You're not just some run of the mill moral authority turned hypocrite.

You just can't grasp why this makes your crimes that much more spectacularly grotesque can you?

[bush_cheney2004]

Why, they won. They got what they wanted. They handed you your asses and you went home. You should count your lucky stars they're Buddhists who aren't really big on vengeance. Hopefully Islam will take the same cue when they finally put the run on you too.

That's great, but doesn't explain the lack of terrorists from Grenada, Chile, Dominican Republic, Haiti, Cuba, Honduras, Colombia, etc. As for Vietnam winning, the people who escaped and continue to emigrate to the USA do not agree.

You know those We'll Never Forget banners your country flies, they should really say, We'll Never Learn.

Great idea...for your commercial fishing rig and the destruction of a fishery you always blame on somebody besides yourself....you'll never learn, and even if you did, you already effed it up.

Edited September 13, 2011 by bush_cheney2004