Big Guy Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 "Methinks" it would be interesting if Liberal MP Bill Blair had to testify in any future court proceedings............ I fully agree. And I assume he will have to with the multi-million class suit pending. The number of mistakes make during that Kettling fiasco have to be accounted for and those folks who were caged like animals deserve compensation. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Derek 2.0 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Posted April 6, 2016 I fully agree. And I assume he will have to with the multi-million class suit pending. The number of mistakes make during that Kettling fiasco have to be accounted for and those folks who were caged like animals deserve compensation. I would also agree, after a fully transparent court proceeding........I would be quite interested to see all the comings and goings from Queen's Park during that time frame......we must not forget, the McGuinty government gave the police carte blanche powers of arrest........aside from former Toronto police chief and current Liberal MP Bill Blair, I wonder how many former provincial Ontario Liberals are now in the Butts Trudeau Government...... (Pot smokers should be relieved that the former Obergruppenfuhrer chief of the Toronto services, Bill Blair, is now handling the pot legalization file....I wonder how many G20 protesters got nabbed for dope) Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 7, 2016 Report Posted April 7, 2016 " The only organized or collective physical aggression at that location that evening was perpetrated by police each time they advanced on demonstrators,” Justice Melvyn Green ruled on Thursday. He was referring to a demonstration at Queen St. and Spadina Ave. on Saturday, June 26, 2010. Green stated police criminalized political demonstration, which is “vital” to maintain a “viable democracy.” Green’s stern words echo widespread criticism of police during the G20 ..." http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/article/1038347--aggression-during-g20-rally-perpetrated-by-police-judge-rules I repeat ... "POLICE CRIMINALIZED POLITICAL DEMONSTRATION" ... in Canada. I wish we could find out what the hell was going on with the chain of police command. WHAT THE HELL WERE THEY THINKING?!!!!!! My impression, from reading a lot of accounts, is that police tolerated demonstration ONLY until one or a few protesters showed any aggression - annoyed the police - and then all protesters were demonized, criminalized, dehumanized debased, abused and incarcerated, even uninvolved citizens in the 'wrong place-wrong time' and anyone filming police actions. Over 100 police officers do not 'spontaneously' decide to illegally remove their badge numbers: WHO IN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND CONDONED THAT?!?? Toronto Police Services? OPP? RCMP? G20 Security Committee? CSIS?!? HARPER?!!!!!! How do we get the answers? How do we make sure it NEVER happens again?? Are you talking about the "protestors" wearing balaclavas and carrying weapons? The protest where 97 officers were injured? Where 40 shops were vandalized, causing almost $1M in damage? What did the big bad police do jacee? Try to protect some people and property? Oh the shame. Here's how we make sure it doesn't happen again - start putting Ginko Biloba in the water supply. Justin Trudeau would only get one vote in his own riding (his wife would vote for the communist party again because she only drinks bottled water). Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Army Guy Posted April 7, 2016 Report Posted April 7, 2016 Do police try to incite riots? Yes. Isn't inciting a riot a criminal offense? Yes. G20 London 2009, 1 year before G20 Toronto: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/10/g20-policing-agent-provacateurs?CMP=share_btn_fb An MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call for an investigation into whether the police used agents provocateurs to incite the crowds. Liberal Democrat Tom Brake says he saw what he believed to be two plain-clothes police officers go through a police cordon after presenting their ID cards. Brake, who along with hundreds of others was corralled behind police lines near Bank tube station in the City of London on the day of the protests, says he was informed by people in the crowd that the men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon. Good to remember: The ones throwing bottles at cops ... are cops. . What ever happened to ever person is responsible for their own actions..... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Smoke Posted April 7, 2016 Report Posted April 7, 2016 Methinks Smoke is still a Harper supporter. He may soon be the only one. No Conservatives are running on Harpers record or lining up for photo ops. Harper destroyed my party and I say good riddance - as are more and more Conservatives. My party is being rebuilt and will be back in power in 8 years. As Argus pointed out, Harper wanted it in Huntsville, but don't let a good opportunity to spin it into "Harper is bad" meme pass you by. The problem you are having is that you fully believe, hook line and sinker, the left wing hype that the conservatives were decimated in the last election. Let me remind you that the voters gave them 100 seats. That's a lot of Canadians that disagree with your assessment. A couple left wing reporters from other countries muse over our new young PM and his hair, and all of a sudden the left think the whole world is marveling over his every move. Your party??? Yeah right....don't make me laugh. Quote
dre Posted April 7, 2016 Report Posted April 7, 2016 One thing that IS clear... Next time political and financial elites want to have their hooker banging festival here we should tell them to pound sand. Or at least get a billion dollar damage deposit up front to clean up the mess and settle all the law suits. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
WestCanMan Posted April 7, 2016 Report Posted April 7, 2016 Do police try to incite riots? Yes. Isn't inciting a riot a criminal offense? Yes. G20 London 2009, 1 year before G20 Toronto: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/10/g20-policing-agent-provacateurs?CMP=share_btn_fb An MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call for an investigation into whether the police used agents provocateurs to incite the crowds. Liberal Democrat Tom Brake says he saw what he believed to be two plain-clothes police officers go through a police cordon after presenting their ID cards. Brake, who along with hundreds of others was corralled behind police lines near Bank tube station in the City of London on the day of the protests, says he was informed by people in the crowd that the men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon. Good to remember: The ones throwing bottles at cops ... are cops. . Do police try to incite riots? Yes. LMAO, you answered your own question and you still got it wrong So an MP in England was told by some rioters that something happened and you turn that precious little bit of "he said she said" into proof positive that police all over the world intentionally incite riots? You wanna know what a kid in my third grade class told me? When he was on summer vacation his pee turned red. He really said that. So it's true. Everyone's pee turns red when they are on summer vacation between grades 2 & 3. Now you know. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
jacee Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Are you talking about the "protestors" wearing balaclavas and carrying weapons? ... What did the big bad police do jacee?Police arrested a lot of innocent people, committed the largest violation of civil rights in Canadian history./g20-kettling-class-action-lawsuits-given-green-light/ Both lawsuits refer to the kettling of protesters during the June 26-28, 2010 summit. /senior-police-officer-found-guilty-three-charges-g20-disciplinary-hearing/ Supt. David (Mark) Fenton guilty of two of three counts of unnecessary exercise of authority and one of two counts of discreditable conduct. Hamilton said Fenton is committed to serving the public but was working with a lack of understanding of the publics right to protest when he chose to order the boxing in and mass arrest of protesters five years ago. . Edited April 7, 2016 by jacee Quote
Big Guy Posted April 7, 2016 Report Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) As Argus pointed out, Harper wanted it in Huntsville, but don't let a good opportunity to spin it into "Harper is bad" meme pass you by. The problem you are having is that you fully believe, hook line and sinker, the left wing hype that the conservatives were decimated in the last election. Let me remind you that the voters gave them 100 seats. That's a lot of Canadians that disagree with your assessment. A couple left wing reporters from other countries muse over our new young PM and his hair, and all of a sudden the left think the whole world is marveling over his every move. Your party??? Yeah right....don't make me laugh. When Harper took over MY party, he changed MY party into another Reform/Alliance tool. I will never forgive Orchard and MacKay for stabbing Progressive Conservatives in the back. If you are a Harperite then the rest of the world is "left" of you. Canada is a moderate and centrist nation. Harper took power NOT because of policy or philosophical differences but because of the Sponsorship scandal. He tried to move Canada to the far right and the current Liberals are bringing us back towards the middle. The current Trudeau Liberals will soon move back to their Central left position opening up the central right for the new Progressive Conservative when/if the current Harper Conservatives move back towards the center. That is why this leadsership race is important. If the party chooses a Harper clone then it will fade again. If it chooses someone new (Charest, Wall) or a moderate (MacKay) then it has a chance and the old Conservatives (like myself) will again work for the party. I am a Diefenbaker, Clark, Mulroney, Campbell Conservative - not a Harper Reformist. You can try to label anyone what like like in order to try to protect the Harper legacy but if you have any understanding of Canadian history and politics you will realize there is nobody to the right of the Harper philosophy. I have no doubt that in 8 years, the Progressive Conservatives will again be in power in a minority position. That I believe is the best for stability and progress for Canadians. As for making you laugh, whatever turns your crank. Everyone has the right to their own unique sense of humor - even the far right extremists. Edited April 7, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
jacee Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Do police try to incite riots? Yes. ... So an MP in England was told by some rioters that something happened and you turn that precious little bit of "he said she said" into proof positive that police all over the world intentionally incite riots? Apparently it is ... or was :-) ... a common police tactic for 'policing' such gatherings.Remember Montebello QC? undercover-police-engaged-in-purposeful-provocation At the Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting protests at Montebello Quebec on August 20, 2007, a Quebec union leader caught and outed three masked undercover Quebec Provincial Police operatives dressed as black bloc protestors about to start a riot by throwing rocks at the security police. See the following videos documenting this event. Stop SPP Protest Union Leader stops provocateurs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St1-WTc1kow Evidence Police provoke Violence at SPP protest The operation was exposed by the following picture of the undercover police wearing combat boots identical to those of the security police arresting them. Do you think they've stopped using that tactic ... or did they just wear different shoes in Toronto? Who were those guys throwing stuff at police lines? Edited April 7, 2016 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Posted April 7, 2016 One thing that IS clear... Next time political and financial elites want to have their hooker banging festival here we should tell them to pound sand. Or at least get a billion dollar damage deposit up front to clean up the mess and settle all the law suits. "Pound sand" ... that first has to be trucked in. Lol . Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 8, 2016 Report Posted April 8, 2016 Apparently it is ... or was :-) ... a common police tactic for 'policing' such gatherings. Remember Montebello QC? undercover-police-engaged-in-purposeful-provocation At the Security and Prosperity Partnership meeting protests at Montebello Quebec on August 20, 2007, a Quebec union leader caught and outed three masked undercover Quebec Provincial Police operatives dressed as black bloc protestors about to start a riot by throwing rocks at the security police. See the following videos documenting this event. Stop SPP Protest Union Leader stops provocateurs Evidence Police provoke Violence at SPP protest The operation was exposed by the following picture of the undercover police wearing combat boots identical to those of the security police arresting them. Do you think they've stopped using that tactic ... or did they just wear different shoes in Toronto? Who were those guys throwing stuff at police lines? I didn't see where anyone actually proved that those were police officers wearing the masks. Having similar footwear is not nearly enough proof for anyone to believe what you are saying. These videos are complete garbage without more evidence that what you presented here. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
Argus Posted April 8, 2016 Report Posted April 8, 2016 When Harper took over MY party, he changed MY party into another Reform/Alliance tool. I will never forgive Orchard and MacKay for stabbing Progressive Conservatives in the back. If you are a Harperite then the rest of the world is "left" of you. The 'Progressive Conservative' party was nothing but a collection of venal, self-serving worms and weasels with no ideas, vision, policy or ideals beyond self enrichment. It had no purpose to serve and its death was too long prolonged. Good riddance to it. Harper took power NOT because of policy or philosophical differences but because of the Sponsorship scandal. He tried to move Canada to the far right and the current Liberals are bringing us back towards the middle. That you think Harper was on the far right only serves to demonstrate how far out on the fringes of the Left you are. I am a Diefenbaker, Clark, Mulroney, Campbell Conservative - not a Harper Reformist. What you mean is you like to think of yourself as conservative but you don't actually a single conservative believe or ideal. So in that sense I suppose you were a perfect robotic supporter of the old PCs. They are dead and will never return. There aren't enough leftists who want to support them over the Liberals and NDP, and no actual conservative wants anything to do with a party which is, in every way that matters, a clone of the Liberals. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted April 8, 2016 Author Report Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) I didn't see where anyone actually proved that those were police officers wearing the masks. Having similar footwear is not nearly enough proof for anyone to believe what you are saying. These videos are complete garbage without more evidence that what you presented here.Oh?You missed the fact that the SQ admitted it? ? Did you also conveniently 'miss' the fact that in Toronto, 90+ cops were not wearing identification numbers? Who were those hired goons? Were they even cops? police-face-little-accountability-five-years-after-the-toronto-g20 You might not want to drag up old posts to attack me unless you know your facts first. . Edited April 8, 2016 by jacee Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 8, 2016 Report Posted April 8, 2016 Oh? You missed the fact that the SQ admitted it? Did you also conveniently 'miss' the fact that in Toronto, 90+ cops were not wearing identification numbers? Who were those hired goons? Were they even cops? police-face-little-accountability-five-years-after-the-toronto-g20 You might not want to drag up old posts to attack me unless you know your facts first. . I did miss that. Which video? There are 4 and I don't have time to sift through it all. I don't see the big deal about 1 cop getting charged with excessive force in all that mayhem. Out of 100 cops there, one went too far? That's actually pretty good imo. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
jacee Posted April 8, 2016 Author Report Posted April 8, 2016 (edited) I did miss that. Which video? There are 4 and I don't have time to sift through it all. I don't see the big deal about 1 cop getting charged with excessive force in all that mayhem. Out of 100 cops there, one went too far? That's actually pretty good imo. If you don't have time to sift through the truth, you have nothing of relevance to say.The class action suits for police violations of citizens' rights and safety are going to cost us millions. /a-look-inside-the-g20-kettle-at-queen-and-spadina/ And why were the bystanders detained [for several hours ... in pouring rain ... told to pee in their pants ...] even though the arrests had already been made? Because, the chief said, police couldn't be sure that no other trouble-makers were lurking in the crowd. One poor woman ran up to police and begged to be handcuffed and arrested ... thinking that at least in jail there would be toilets and food, out of the rain and cold. People were ordered to disperse and go home ... while police continued to hem them in, charging them and banging their shields! And we paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in police salaries and benefits ... and we will pay millions for settlements of lawsuits ... for that?!?! Get your wallet out! By the way WestCanMan ... how many of the people dragged out of the crowd, handcuffed and arrested ... were ever even charged with any offense? Any convicted of anything? Several hundred innocent people detained and subjected to inhumane treatment ... and not a criminal among them!! And police wonder why they get a bad rep?!?!! Police should be wondering why we pay their salaries at all! We pay them to protect our constitutional rights, not to violate them!! It's not over. The class action lawsuits now in progress will shed much more light on police behaviour. No wonder Chief Blair bailed out! Edited April 8, 2016 by jacee Quote
WestCanMan Posted April 9, 2016 Report Posted April 9, 2016 If you don't have time to sift through the truth, you have nothing of relevance to say. The class action suits for police violations of citizens' rights and safety are going to cost us millions. /a-look-inside-the-g20-kettle-at-queen-and-spadina/ And why were the bystanders detained [for several hours ... in pouring rain ... told to pee in their pants ...] even though the arrests had already been made? Because, the chief said, police couldn't be sure that no other trouble-makers were lurking in the crowd. One poor woman ran up to police and begged to be handcuffed and arrested ... thinking that at least in jail there would be toilets and food, out of the rain and cold. People were ordered to disperse and go home ... while police continued to hem them in, charging them and banging their shields! And we paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in police salaries and benefits ... and we will pay millions for settlements of lawsuits ... for that?!?! Get your wallet out! By the way WestCanMan ... how many of the people dragged out of the crowd, handcuffed and arrested ... were ever even charged with any offense? Any convicted of anything? Several hundred innocent people detained and subjected to inhumane treatment ... and not a criminal among them!! And police wonder why they get a bad rep?!?!! Police should be wondering why we pay their salaries at all! We pay them to protect our constitutional rights, not to violate them!! It's not over. The class action lawsuits now in progress will shed much more light on police behaviour. No wonder Chief Blair bailed out! Wrong again. The Police don't have a bad rap. They will be your first call when you have a really bad day and you know it. If you're being honest you also know that people join the police with good intentions and put up with way too much crap from the dregs of society. Here's a bit of reality for you. The police had to deal with an angry mob of losers like this: :https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw It's really easy for armchair quarterbacks to say what they would have done in a certain situation. It's another thing to form a wall and stand up against a surging mob of rioters that are carrying weapons, and be under orders to use minimal force against them. The people who followed the mob in actually were guilty of just being part of that group, and also of not obeying the legal orders to leave when things got out of hand. If they peed their pants because they were stupid enough to hang out with those losers I don't really care. They are just lucky they did that here in Canada. The fallout from this is when police don't actually even stop looters and rioters because they have their hands tied by rabid liberal judges. You can give yourself a pat on the back the next time a riot near you goes unchecked. Quote If the Cultist Narrative Network/Cultist Broadcasting Corporation gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. "I don't hate American's, I pointed out the literacy rate to Uncle Sam." - LinkSoul "It's just a parable about rocks and trees talking to muslims to help them kill Jews who are trying to hide. It's open to interpretation." - robobigot
jacee Posted April 9, 2016 Author Report Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Wrong again. The Police don't have a bad rap. They will be your first call when you have a really bad day and you know it. If you're being honest you also know that people join the police with good intentions and put up with way too much crap from the dregs of society.These were not criminals. They were 10,000 peaceful protesters. That's the issue: Police have a duty to uphold our constitutional right to protest our government - free speech and freedom of assembly.Here's a bit of reality for you. The police had to deal with an angry mob of losers like this: :https://www. youtube.com/watch?v=I-h-YIj4jRw That was Saturday, and it was a few people not the whole crowd.Not on Sunday they didn't. That's the point: Police punished hundreds of peaceful Sunday protesters for the actions of a few on Saturday. It's really easy for armchair quarterbacks to say what they would have done in a certain situation. It's another thing to form a wall and stand up against a surging mob of rioters that are carrying weapons, and be under orders to use minimal force against them.Maybe just let them walk then. There was no threat. The motorcade was far away and gone.The people who followed the mob in actually were guilty of just being part of that group, and also of not obeying the legal orders to leave when things got out of hand. They weren't guilty of anything, and they couldn't leave because police hemmed them in. If they peed their pants because they were stupid enough to hang out with those losers I don't really care. They are just lucky they did that here in Canada. The fallout from this is when police don't actually even stop looters and rioters because they have their hands tied by rabid liberal judges. You can give yourself a pat on the back the next time a riot near you goes unchecked. There were no looters. There was no riot on Sunday.You are speculating without knowing the facts. Wait for the lawsuits. . Edited April 9, 2016 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted April 10, 2016 Report Posted April 10, 2016 The fallout from this is when police don't actually even stop looters and rioters because they have their hands tied by rabid liberal judges. You can give yourself a pat on the back the next time a riot near you goes unchecked. I am a law and order conservative. I don't think you'll find anyone on this site saying otherwise. I found the actions of the Toronto police to be appalling, incompetent, uncoordinated, confused and outrageous. The chief and every other senior officer involved in the planning, organizing and supervision should have been fired, along with a lot of police officers who willfully violated the law. As to dealing with rioters, they didn't. They let them riot and did nothing. It was only after the bad publicity that they went nuts and started making mass arrests of anyone and everyone - not including the actual rioters. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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