G20 police aggression

[On Guard for Thee]

lol. Original.

You guys are awesome. One police bad=all police pay. Hundreds of citizens bad=only a handful (really, none at all...honest).

Ppl had to sit in inhumane (uh, middle of Toronto inhumane?) conditions for (ghast) hours. While, you know, it's all good that just a few cop cars burned.

People who protest arent bad because they protest. A few people who use the scenario to go on a rampage are bad. Multiple cops who remove their badges and use the scenario to do things like kettling are bad. Facts should be more important than your bias.

[jacee]

I think a class action law suit against the thugs who damaged ppls' livelihoods and police cars should be launched. As with your desire, Jacee, I think the people marching alongside-you know, the colleagues of the thugs-should take some financial responsibility for their colleagues actions.

We pay police officers' salaries to protect our rights. They are always accountable to the public for the way they (mis)treat members of the public.

But hey ... go ahead with your lawsuit. You're entitled to try.

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Edited April 4, 2015 by jacee

[jacee]

lol. Original.

You guys are awesome. One police bad=all police pay. Hundreds of citizens bad=only a handful (really, none at all...honest).

Ppl had to sit in inhumane (uh, middle of Toronto inhumane?) conditions for (ghast) hours. While, you know, it's all good that just a few cop cars burned.

Those two incidents are unrelated.

Somebody burned a car.

The next day police trapped a bunch of innocent people for hours and made them pee in their pants on the street.

If that's the way they police

ON OUR DIME AND OUR TIME,

then there's something very wrong with policing in this country.

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Edited April 4, 2015 by jacee

[drummindiver]

People who protest arent bad because they protest. A few people who use the scenario to go on a rampage are bad. Multiple cops who remove their badges and use the scenario to do things like kettling are bad. Facts should be more important than your bias.

So, a few rogue protesters, but multiple cops.

I saw it the other way around.

Just to be clear, I protest myself. If, however, you are going to protest hand in hand with Black Bloc while they use their techniques, please don't bitch if you get arrested.

I am biased, you are right. I believe ppl who destroy public property (police cars) and private property (business, cars, body) should be incarcerated.

[drummindiver]

Those two incidents are unrelated.

Somebody burned a car.

The next day police trapped a bunch of innocent people for hours and made them pee in their pants on the street.

If that's the way they police

ON OUR DIME AND OUR TIME,

then there's something very wrong with policing in this country.

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Right. Cops car burned, chaos in the streets.

Is it any surprise to anyone with half a modicum of common sense that the police had to act preemptively to avoid another scene like the one that played out the day before.

[On Guard for Thee]

So, a few rogue protesters, but multiple cops.

I saw it the other way around.

Just to be clear, I protest myself. If, however, you are going to protest hand in hand with Black Bloc while they use their techniques, please don't bitch if you get arrested.

I am biased, you are right. I believe ppl who destroy public property (police cars) and private property (business, cars, body) should be incarcerated.

People who burn police cars should be arrested, quite right.

[drummindiver]

Are you saying that police suffered from the loss of those burned cars ?

I was referencing how Jacee believes all cops should pay for the actions of a few.

My point was all protesters should pay for the actions of many.

It was done tongue in cheek, but I still disagree that a person be liable for what a co-worker does.

[On Guard for Thee]

I was referencing how Jacee believes all cops should pay for the actions of a few.

My point was all protesters should pay for the actions of many.

It was done tongue in cheek, but I still disagree that a person be liable for what a co-worker does.

You just contradicted yourself.

[drummindiver]

You just contradicted yourself.

How so?

[On Guard for Thee]

How so?

You dont want to blame all the cops with those who acted illegally, but you want to blame all the protesters with those who acted illegally.

[drummindiver]

Yes, and as I stated, it was done tongue in cheek.

It was also done to point out the fallacy of her argument that other police should be accountable for the actions of a few.

[jacee]

Yes, and as I stated, it was done tongue in cheek.

It was also done to point out the fallacy of her argument that other police should be accountable for the actions of a few.

My suggestion was that police should intervene when a colleague goes rogue, violates standards.

Ten thousand protesters cannot be collectively punished for the illegal acts of a few.

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Edited April 6, 2015 by jacee

[drummindiver]

My suggestion was that police should intervene when a colleague goes rogue, violates standards.

Ten thousand protesters cannot be collectively punished for the illegal acts of a few.

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"It would be nice to see other cops take some responsibility for inappropriate actions of their colleagues."

This is what you wrote. If you meant something else, you could see how I would be confused.

[jacee]

"It would be nice to see other cops take some responsibility for inappropriate actions of their colleagues."

This is what you wrote. If you meant something else, you could see how I would be confused.

I said what I meant: We pay cops go act professionally, protect freedom of speech and other individual rights, not to beat up innocent people like street thugs. When one behaves badly, others should act to minimize the damage, not to cover it up. IE, they should do the job we pay them for, and protect the public.

Now you said ...

I think the people marching alongside-you know, the colleagues of the thugs-should take some financial responsibility for their colleagues actions.

Ten thousand people were protesting that day, 9,900 or more of them had nothing to do with black bloc actions and may not have been anywhere near any illegal activities.

Your statement is absurd.

And the fact that police kettled innocent protesters and residents the next day in retaliation is just as absurd.

The lawsuit will be interesting.

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Edited April 6, 2015 by jacee

[Argus]

Yes, and as I stated, it was done tongue in cheek.

It was also done to point out the fallacy of her argument that other police should be accountable for the actions of a few.

But it wasn't just the actions of a few. Hundreds of police willingly participated in illegal violations of people's constitutional rights, arrested people without valid charges, removed name badges, deprived people of their rights to movement, and assaulted people. And those who didn't assault people kept silent about seeing their fellow officers assault people, and lied about it to investigators.

[GostHacked]

So, a few rogue protesters, but multiple cops.

I saw it the other way around.

Just to be clear, I protest myself. If, however, you are going to protest hand in hand with Black Bloc while they use their techniques, please don't bitch if you get arrested.

I am biased, you are right. I believe ppl who destroy public property (police cars) and private property (business, cars, body) should be incarcerated.

I don't think it is a case of wanting to run with the the Black Bloc, they just show up and start FSU. The real protesters are getting pepper sprayed by cops while passively resisting forceful arrest and illegal detainment. And you are right, the cops should have busted up those Black Bloc types that were doing the damage RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. Instead they stood by while the damage was taking place. Almost a derelict of duty to protect the public from these idiots. The Black Bloc was putting more than the police in a dangerous situation, every protester that did not want to be part of it, are also victims of the Black Bloc.

Edited April 7, 2015 by GostHacked

[jacee]

I don't think it is a case of wanting to run with the the Black Bloc, they just show up and start FSU. The real protesters are getting pepper sprayed by cops while passively resisting forceful arrest and illegal detainment. And you are right, the cops should have busted up those Black Bloc types that were doing the damage RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. Instead they stood by while the damage was taking place. Almost a derelict of duty to protect the public from these idiots. The Black Bloc was putting more than the police in a dangerous situation, every protester that did not want to be part of it, are also victims of the Black Bloc.

It was the police kettling searching and detaining people inappropriately.

The blac bloc didn't 'make' the police misbehave.

The police have free will too, and accountability.

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[jacee]

Do police try to incite riots?

Yes.

Isn't inciting a riot a criminal offense?

Yes.

G20 London 2009, 1 year before G20 Toronto:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2009/may/10/g20-policing-agent-provacateurs?CMP=share_btn_fb

An MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call for an investigation into whether the police used agents provocateurs to incite the crowds.

Liberal Democrat Tom Brake says he saw what he believed to be two plain-clothes police officers go through a police cordon after presenting their ID cards.

Brake, who along with hundreds of others was corralled behind police lines near Bank tube station in the City of London on the day of the protests, says he was informed by people in the crowd that the men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon.

Good to remember: The ones throwing bottles at cops ... are cops.

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[PIK]

And who is now running for the liberals.

[Big Guy]

Harper is gone but the legacy continues:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-court-of-appeal-g20-class-action-klippenstein-1.3522861

Perhaps holding that G 20 conference in downtown Toronto was not a good idea.

[Smoke]

Harper is gone but the legacy continues:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-court-of-appeal-g20-class-action-klippenstein-1.3522861

Perhaps holding that G 20 conference in downtown Toronto was not a good idea.

Let me get this straight....so Harper ordered the police to "kettle" a bunch of people. I didn't realize the PM was a member of the Toronto police force.

Methinks this is just Big Guy spreading a bunch of typical left wing spin.

[Big Guy]

Let me get this straight....so Harper ordered the police to "kettle" a bunch of people. I didn't realize the PM was a member of the Toronto police force.

Methinks this is just Big Guy spreading a bunch of typical left wing spin.

Thank you for the compliment but I am no longer invited to Liberal BBQ's. If you remember, when the PM at the time announced to location of the conference he was warned that it was a bad idea and that there would be difficulty in monitoring the events in downtoan Toronto. Harper decided to ignore all the warnings and the rest is history.

Methinks Smoke is still a Harper supporter. He may soon be the only one. No Conservatives are running on Harpers record or lining up for photo ops. Harper destroyed my party and I say good riddance - as are more and more Conservatives. My party is being rebuilt and will be back in power in 8 years.

[Argus]

Thank you for the compliment but I am no longer invited to Liberal BBQ's. If you remember, when the PM at the time announced to location of the conference he was warned that it was a bad idea and that there would be difficulty in monitoring the events in downtoan Toronto. Harper decided to ignore all the warnings and the rest is history

There was no problem monitoring events. The meetings took place without a hitch. All that happened which went wrong was the incompetent stooges of the Toronto police service had no idea how to handle demonstrators, and tended to either panic or turn into the gestapo. None of which is Harper's fault.

[Derek 2.0]

None of which is Harper's fault.

"Methinks" it would be interesting if Liberal MP Bill Blair had to testify in any future court proceedings............

[dre]

There was no problem monitoring events. The meetings took place without a hitch. All that happened which went wrong was the incompetent stooges of the Toronto police service had no idea how to handle demonstrators, and tended to either panic or turn into the gestapo. None of which is Harper's fault.

I don't see any reason to blame Harper either. The venue selection was stupid, but Harper actually wanted to have the thing in Huntsville but organizers complained there wasn't enough prostitutes and strippers there to service all the guests.

I never saw any evidence that Harper or the PMO told the police to go into crack-down mode.