Occupy Wall Street Sept 17 2011

[jbg]

I don't know if this was shown before.

Downright hilarious. Enjoy.

[Guest American Woman]

So when people protest in other countries we say it's good. Why don't those same people support the protestors here at home?

Depends on what they're protesting in those other countries, wouldn't you say? In other words, it's the cause that matters. We don't automatically support them simply because they are protesting, so why should be support these guys simply because they are protesting? In other words, you seem to be saying we should support all protesters, and that would be ludicrous.

[GostHacked]

Depends on what they're protesting in those other countries, wouldn't you say? In other words, it's the cause that matters.

The protests are essentially the same. Corrupt governments in bed with corrupt corporations funded by the corrupt banks. Educated people can't find a job. Governments implementing austerity measures while you and I continue to pay more and more of our hard earned money. We spend more and more on things like food while wages are stagnated or dropping.

We don't automatically support them simply because they are protesting, so why should be support these guys simply because they are protesting? In other words, you seem to be saying we should support all protesters, and that would be ludicrous.

I am saying the rhetoric of our leaders is hypocritical. They support the uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa. We (as in NATO) bombed the crap out of Libya while we are staying out of Syria. All while they put the beat down on people here protesting against our corrupt governments.

[Guest American Woman]

The protests are essentially the same. Corrupt governments in bed with corrupt corporations funded by the corrupt banks. Educated people can't find a job. Governments implementing austerity measures while you and I continue to pay more and more of our hard earned money. We spend more and more on things like food while wages are stagnated or dropping.

I am saying the rhetoric of our leaders is hypocritical. They support the uprisings in the Middle East and North Africa. We (as in NATO) bombed the crap out of Libya while we are staying out of Syria. All while they put the beat down on people here protesting against our corrupt governments.

There is no comparison between the conditions they are living in, the conditions they are protesting against, and ours. The idea that you think they are comparable makes me wonder how much you are aware of regarding how different things are in their countries and ours. Seriously Gosthacked, you don't see you difference? You think living in our countries is as oppressive as living in theirs??

If we were living under the governments that they are living under, I would be all for protesting it. Of course our governments support it, as well they should.

I would be for supporting protests against what needs protesting against in our government, but these Occupy Protests are so generalized, so unorganized, so often disruptive, and so uninformed that I cannot put my support behind them.

Out of curiosity - what do you think of Occupy San Diego's "moment of silence in solidarity" for the man who shot at the White House? Should we support that, too?

[cybercoma]

Depends on what they're protesting in those other countries, wouldn't you say? In other words, it's the cause that matters. We don't automatically support them simply because they are protesting, so why should be support these guys simply because they are protesting? In other words, you seem to be saying we should support all protesters, and that would be ludicrous.

What exactly do you think these guys protesting?

[bush_cheney2004]

There is no comparison between the conditions they are living in, the conditions they are protesting against, and ours. The idea that you think they are comparable makes me wonder how much you are aware of regarding how different things are in their countries and ours.

Some of these kids have been coddled from birth and wouldn't know the difference if it was staring them in the face. The Internet is now a basic human right for them to continue the fantasy.

[cybercoma]

There is no comparison between the conditions they are living in, the conditions they are protesting against, and ours.

Because the United States is civilized and Egypt is full of primitive savages, right?

[Guest American Woman]

Because the United States is civilized and Egypt is full of primitive savages, right?

Where is this coming from? It's total ignorance. Why would you feel the need to project such ignorance on me?

[charter.rights]

Where is this coming from? It's total ignorance. Why would you feel the need to project such ignorance on me?

You invite it. That seems to be the only level of discussion you are capable of lately.

[GostHacked]

There is no comparison between the conditions they are living in, the conditions they are protesting against, and ours.

There are many parts in the USA and even here in Canada that sure as hell look like 3rd world shitholes. And those living conditions are about as bad or worse that some of the other countries that are protesting. On the other side, we can look at Greece and Italy for 'comparison' in level of living conditions to us here in North America.

The idea that you think they are comparable makes me wonder how much you are aware of regarding how different things are in their countries and ours. Seriously Gosthacked, you don't see you difference? You think living in our countries is as oppressive as living in theirs??

What is happening in Europe? Remember the student protests in England? The riots in France? The protests in Greece? Spain? Portugal? Do some of you really have that short term of a memory as to what has been happening around the world in the last year?

If we were living under the governments that they are living under, I would be all for protesting it. Of course our governments support it, as well they should.

All our governments are essentially economically owned by a larger entity. I've stated the overall problems before and why people are protesting around the world.

I would be for supporting protests against what needs protesting against in our government, but these Occupy Protests are so generalized, so unorganized, so often disruptive, and so uninformed that I cannot put my support behind them.

I agree with the unorganized and generalization of them. That is why I said they needed to take some leadership role and trot out the demands and really make a stink. Until that happens, the movement will fail. I've said this before. I prefer they occupy the government grounds. THEN you will see action.

Out of curiosity - what do you think of Occupy San Diego's "moment of silence in solidarity" for the man who shot at the White House? Should we support that, too?

No. Mainly because whatever that idiot did, should not be considered part of the movement. The only way I would support violence, is if that is the last resort to take because nothing else had made the difference.

[Guest American Woman]

You invite it. That seems to be the only level of discussion you are capable of lately.

I suggest you point out where I "invited it," but know that I won't holding my breath. Fact is, your response is as ignorant as his. Sadly, it's becoming more and more the norm.

[cybercoma]

Here's a pictorial on the housing conditions on James Bay. People are living in what most North Americans would consider sheds, with no plubming and hydro. Winter on James Bay is not a walk in the park either.

http://www.moosefm.com/chmt/news/9927-housing-crisis-on-james-bay-coast-

[Guest American Woman]

There are many parts in the USA and even here in Canada that sure as hell look like 3rd world shitholes. And those living conditions are about as bad or worse that some of the other countries that are protesting. On the other side, we can look at Greece and Italy for 'comparison' in level of living conditions to us here in North America.

You said "other countries," you didn't say "when people protest in Greece and Italy." Are you now saying these are the "other countries" you were speaking of? I'd appreciate your clarifying who exactly you were referring to. I'd also like to know who this "we" is that you were speaking of when you said "when people protest in other countries we say it's good." It now appears as if "other countries" is a reference to Greece and Italy, so who is the "we?"

What is happening in Europe? Remember the student protests in England? The riots in France? The protests in Greece? Spain? Portugal? Do some of you really have that short term of a memory as to what has been happening around the world in the last year?

So who has been saying that's good? Who are all the people who have been supporting all of those protests but not supporting "Occupy?"

I agree with the unorganized and generalization of them. That is why I said they needed to take some leadership role and trot out the demands and really make a stink. Until that happens, the movement will fail. I've said this before. I prefer they occupy the government grounds. THEN you will see action.

So if you agree, if you see the protest as unorganized and too generalized, why are you so mystified as to the lack of support?

No. Mainly because whatever that idiot did, should not be considered part of the movement. The only way I would support violence, is if that is the last resort to take because nothing else had made the difference.

It most definitely was part of the protest in San Diego. Did you watch the video?

Do you see conditions in our countries as so dire that you would support violence if things don't change? If so, what level of violence would you support?

[dre]

Depends on what they're protesting in those other countries, wouldn't you say? In other words, it's the cause that matters. We don't automatically support them simply because they are protesting, so why should be support these guys simply because they are protesting? In other words, you seem to be saying we should support all protesters, and that would be ludicrous.

Thats true.

But if you look at what these protesters are protesting here which is all the cheating in our financial system, and the unsustainable levels of wealth concentration... Youll find these messages actually have mainstream support. Confidence in the system is at an all time low and the majority of people dont believe the system is honest.

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Americans are more distrustful of their financial institutions, according to a new poll that shows only 23% of those surveyed said they trust the country's financial systems, down from 25% in June. The figures are from the quarterly Chicago Booth/Kellogg School Financial Trust Index, which measures trust in four areas: banks, the stock market, mutual funds and large corporations. "The findings in this issue reflect what's been reported in the news and demonstrate the fragility of trust many Americans still have in the institutions where they invest their money," said Luigi Zingales, a finance professor at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business and co-author of the index.

And this is why opponents of economic reform have worked to shift the focus onto the personality of the protesters. Its the same kind of thing we saw democrats try to do to the teaparty movement in the states. They focused on a small percentage of people who had racist signs, or made extreme statements.

And thats why they are trying to paint this as a class warfare theme, and the stupid "99 vs 1" slogan made it easy. But nobody has a problem with wealthy people. People arent protesting economic winners, they are protesting economic CHEATERS.

And those cheaters can thank their lucky stars that this protest group ISNT a clean cut charismatic movement with articulate spokesmen and a well thought out plan. Because they would be up shit creek if that was the case. Your ordinary working class person who isnt protesting doesnt like the system either!

[lukin]

The elite finance both conservatives and progressives and have an interest in promoting conflict between the two groups. The elite orchestrated the occupy protests. The dummies protesting are just stupid fools who have no idea they are being used as pawns by the power brokers. Global currency by 2018...bank on it...no pun intended.

[GostHacked]

You said "other countries," you didn't say "when people protest in Greece and Italy." Are you now saying these are the "other countries" you were speaking of? I'd appreciate your clarifying who exactly you were referring to.

I should not have to mention Greece or Italy in the context of these protests. I thought that was a given. I guess I was wrong. Greece and Italy are other countries. Other countries would mean any other country but the one you live in. Come on American Woman, you are smarter than you portray on here.

One more time. The protests are about .. ah fuck it. No sense repeating it. Those who chose to remain ignorant in all of it will end up wondering what happened when it all collapses. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I am prepared, are you?

I'd also like to know who this "we" is that you were speaking of when you said "when people protest in other countries we say it's good." It now appears as if "other countries" is a reference to Greece and Italy, so who is the "we?"

The collective 'we' is you and me and anyone else not part of the ruling elite and the corps and banks that own them. We've been through this for this entire thread and any other Occupy related thread. Not my fault if you have not been able to wrap your brain around it yet.

So who has been saying that's good? Who are all the people who have been supporting all of those protests but not supporting "Occupy?"

People are selective in what they support. They don't think our western leaders are corrupt. They don't think there is a problem with the system. They don't think our governments commit acts of terror abroad. They think those kinds of problems only happen to 'other' countries by 'other' countries. That stuff never happens at home.. right? It is happening.

So if you agree, if you see the protest as unorganized and too generalized, why are you so mystified as to the lack of support?

I am not mystified at the lack of support. Most people don't give a shit, simply because they have not been paying attention. If they did care they would be supporting them. I do. I also went down to see the people at Occupy Ottawa to find out for myself what they were there protesting. And many of them were banging off the same points I have been. The difference here between you and me, is I went down to find out for myself instead of just taking at face value what we see on the TV.

It most definitely was part of the protest in San Diego. Did you watch the video?

As I said, I don't support violence.

Do you see conditions in our countries as so dire that you would support violence if things don't change? If so, what level of violence would you support?

Not yet. I am hoping we can avoid that. But if that is the only and last resort, then violence will happen. As Celente says : 'When the money stops flowing to the man in the street. The blood starts flowing in the street' and 'When people lose everything, they lose it.'

We are seeing blood in the streets because people have lost everything. The real concern I have is that for the most part the media here in Canada says our country is in great economic shape. We may not have been hit as hard for the time being, but I think that is all a ruse.

It's a global economic problem. A global economic ponzi scheme.

[lukin]

The elite want fewer people to own homes. that is the basis of the housing crisis. Totally orchestrated by the elite.

[blueblood]

Here's a pictorial on the housing conditions on James Bay. People are living in what most North Americans would consider sheds, with no plubming and hydro. Winter on James Bay is not a walk in the park either.

http://www.moosefm.com/chmt/news/9927-housing-crisis-on-james-bay-coast-

And no mortgages there. Have you ever walked in one of those communities? It's what happens when You have big government running all aspects of life.

[CPCFTW]

And no mortgages there. Have you ever walked in one of those communities? It's what happens when You have big government running all aspects of life.

Everyone's equally miserable... the way the left likes it!

[Guest American Woman]

I should not have to mention Greece or Italy in the context of these protests. I thought that was a given. I guess I was wrong. Greece and Italy are other countries. Other countries would mean any other country but the one you live in. Come on American Woman, you are smarter than you portray on here.

I am "smart," which is why I see through your moving the goalposts. If you were referring to Italy and Greece, seems odd that you wouldn't just say "Italy and Greece" rather than "other countries," which brought to my mind Egypt/the Arab Spring, since it appears to me as if those protests are the "other countries" that have been enjoying support from those not supporting "Occupy." So I would appreciate your pointing out all the great support for Greece and Italy from those not supporting "Occupy."

One more time. The protests are about .. ah fuck it.

This is pretty representative of the answers given when the protesters are asked what they are protesting against. People are left wondering exactly what they are protesting, and the obvious fact of the matter is, you ask ten people, and get at least five different answers. They are NOT all protesting the same thing; we've got them protesting everything from the 1% to student loans. I have a difficult time putting my "support" behind anything and everything and everyone.

No sense repeating it.

I can understand why you wouldn't want to undertake that task.

Those who chose to remain ignorant in all of it will end up wondering what happened when it all collapses. Prepare for the worst, hope for the best. I am prepared, are you?

Do tell exactly what you are prepared for. Since I'm not a doomsayer, since I can see the good in our countries, this isn't a scenario I've created in my head.

The collective 'we' is you and me and anyone else not part of the ruling elite and the corps and banks that own them. We've been through this for this entire thread and any other Occupy related thread. Not my fault if you have not been able to wrap your brain around it yet.

I've never had one thing to say about protests in Greece, much less Italy, and I've missed all the support from others on here (still waiting for you to point it out) so no, I'm not part of the "we" you were referring to in the statement that I was actually referring to. I see rather than address what was actually said, you've moved the goalposts in order to claim that I "haven't been able to wrap my brain around it."

People are selective in what they support. They don't think our western leaders are corrupt. They don't think there is a problem with the system. They don't think our governments commit acts of terror abroad. They think those kinds of problems only happen to 'other' countries by 'other' countries. That stuff never happens at home.. right? It is happening.

People should be selective in what they support. Do you disagree?

I am not mystified at the lack of support. Most people don't give a shit, simply because they have not been paying attention.

Or perhaps they do "give a shit" and are paying attention and *gasp* simply don't agree with your take on it.

If they did care they would be supporting them. I do. I also went down to see the people at Occupy Ottawa to find out for myself what they were there protesting. And many of them were banging off the same points I have been. The difference here between you and me, is I went down to find out for myself instead of just taking at face value what we see on the TV.

Here's a suggestion. Get on a plane or a bus or hop in your car and go to other cities that are protesting, then you will have room to feel superior. Then you will also, perhaps, realize that Ottawa doesn't represent the world. Furthermore, "many of them" doesn't equal "all of them." As I've said, there is no common ground.

As I said, I don't support violence.

You didn't say that at all. This is what you said: The only way I would support violence, is if that is the last resort to take because nothing else had made the difference. So you do support violence on your terms; I'm just wondering what those terms are. I'd like to know what makes you different from those who had "a moment of silence in solidarity" with someone who took shots at the main living quarters of the White House. You do realize Obama's children could have been in there, right? And I don't care if the glass was bullet proof - I wouldn't risk my life, or my children's lives, on whether or not a bullet managed to get through. I wouldn't be willing to stand behind, put my children and grandson behind, a bullet proof sheet of glass as others shot at them. Would you?

Not yet. I am hoping we can avoid that. But if that is the only and last resort, then violence will happen.

And you will support it. You selectively support violence, as an end to your means.

As Celente says : 'When the money stops flowing to the man in the street. The blood starts flowing in the street' and 'When people lose everything, they lose it.'

Saying it and supporting it are two different things, but the idea that you think that scenario applies to our countries shows me just how far off your thinking is.

We are seeing blood in the streets because people have lost everything. The real concern I have is that for the most part the media here in Canada says our country is in great economic shape. We may not have been hit as hard for the time being, but I think that is all a ruse.

It's a global economic problem. A global economic ponzi scheme.

I agree with you regarding Canada's economy, but who are these people who have lost it "all?" And what part have their choices, their decisions, played in it? Furthermore, what percentage of the protesters do you believe have "lost it all?" In your extensive experience attending Occupy Ottawa, how many people told you that they had lost it all?

As I've repeatedly said, I support protesting what needs to be changed in our countries, but this protest is not focused, it has supporters/participants who are protesting the ludicrous, the whole idea of the 99% sharing a common bond is ridiculous, and disrupting the lives of people within the 99% and causing them economic harm themselves - as they demonize the 1% for it - is hypocritical at best.

[charter.rights]

The powers are getting anxious....

Lobbying firm's memo spells out plan to undermine Occupy Wall Street

CLGC’s memo proposes that the ABA pay CLGC $850,000 to conduct “opposition research” on Occupy Wall Street in order to construct “negative narratives” about the protests and allied politicians. The memo also asserts that Democratic victories in 2012 would be detrimental for Wall Street and targets specific races in which it says Wall Street would benefit by electing Republicans instead.

According to the memo, if Democrats embrace OWS, “This would mean more than just short-term political discomfort for Wall Street. … It has the potential to have very long-lasting political, policy and financial impacts on the companies in the center of the bullseye.”

The memo also suggests that Democratic victories in 2012 should not be the ABA’s biggest concern. “… (T)he bigger concern,” the memo says, “should be that Republicans will no longer defend Wall Street companies.”

Seems the Occupy Wall Street has hit them in their Achilles heel....

Edited November 19, 2011 by charter.rights

[grogy]

Or perhaps they do "give a shit" and are paying attention and *gasp* simply don't agree with your take on it.

nah, couldn't be

[grogy]

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Edited November 19, 2011 by grogy

[August1991]

Funny video:

[Guest American Woman]

That is pretty funny.