jbg Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) Maybe instead of telling these people to "shut up and go find a job," you should consider the problems they're trying to identify. Since you're a lawyer, I'm sure you can appreciate the fact that attacking the messengers does nothing to discredit the message. In logic terms, you would probably call that an ad hominem.Maybe you should take a stab at articulating their demands and proposed solutions.If I may, let me suggest Matt Taibbi's recent article about his misunderstanding of Occupy.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/11/matt-tiabbi-occupy-wall-sreet_n_1087984.html I did and the article largely bares out my views. Edited November 14, 2011 by jbg Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Shady Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 let me suggest Matt Taibbi's recent article about his misunderstanding of Occupy. When you actually see what many of these degenerates think and say, there's no misunderstanding them. Quote
Shady Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 Good news. Occupy Portland has been officially shut down. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 Good news. Occupy Portland has been officially shut down. "We know how to take 'em out, General. Spread the word. Get on the wire to every squadron around the world. Tell them how to bring those sons of bitches down." Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 Maybe you should take a stab at articulating their demands and proposed solutions. I did and the article largely bares out my views. Then there's no point in explaining it to you because you've already made up your mind about it. Quote
Shady Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 More good news. Occupy Oakland has also been disbanded. Looks like civilized society is taking back the streets! Quote
jacee Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Posted November 14, 2011 As rallies continued, the report from the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office ndicated the nation's highest earners saw their household income almost triple in the years between 1979 and 2007 After tax income increased by 275% for the wealthiest 1% of Americans but by just 18% for the poorest 20%, the report said. In addition, the report revealed that in 2005- 2007, the years immediately preceding the financial crisis, the top 20% of the population earned more after-tax income than the entire bottom 80%. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15469096 I think those who began their careers 15-20 years ago or more really can't assume that their experiences are relevant to those starting out today. The ballooning inequality of today makes it a very different world for those starting out. Parents finances are squeezed as expected raises and promotions evaporated or they were 'downsized'. Students are bearing the full cost of education, jobs are scarce as those previously done by students are held by laid off/downsized older workers. With massive educational debt and limited employment opportunities, today's graduates aren't becoming 'consumers' upon graduation so the impact on the economy is apparent in the lack of 'recovery' of 'consumer confidence' in the market. The 1% and their 'supporters' who use their power and influence to widen and entrench income inequality and who dismiss, denigrate and destroy the middle and working class ... are coming face to face with the results of their actions: The consumers aren't consuming. Economic recovery isn't happening. And what trust their was in corporate, banking and political classes is forever destroyed. This is not a blip: it's a forever changed awareness of the predatory nature of 'the ruling classes'. If 'the ruling classes' can thrive without professionals, workers, small business and consumers, then they're immune to the changes ... But I doubt that. Quote
Boges Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 More good news. Occupy Oakland has also been disbanded. Looks like civilized society is taking back the streets! It's still beyond my why anyone would want to Occupy Oakland. Quote
jbg Posted November 14, 2011 Report Posted November 14, 2011 It's still beyond my why anyone would want to Occupy Oakland. Perhaps the same reasoning as applies to Occupy Mississauga? Or Occupy Jane-Finch? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
charter.rights Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 The Occupy Wall Street protesters now have a New York Supreme Court Order permitting them back into Zuccotti Park complete with tents and other things need to maintain their on-going protests. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/court-order-city-t-occupy-wall-street-protesters-stuff-zuccotti-park-article-1.977674 The Order: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/court-papers-group-files-restraining-order-city-occupy-wall-street-protestors-return-zucotti-park-article-1.977675 Seems the courts don't work for the 1% like they originally thought. Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Shady Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 The Occupy Wall Street protesters now have a New York Supreme Court Order permitting them back into Zuccotti Park complete with tents and other things need to maintain their on-going protests. http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/court-order-city-t-occupy-wall-street-protesters-stuff-zuccotti-park-article-1.977674 The Order: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/court-papers-group-files-restraining-order-city-occupy-wall-street-protestors-return-zucotti-park-article-1.977675 Seems the courts don't work for the 1% like they originally thought. Nonsense. They can protest all they want, they just can't camp overnight. It's against the law. Quote
charter.rights Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) Nonsense. They can protest all they want, they just can't camp overnight. It's against the law. The Court order says a by-law restricting camping does not over-rule their right to peaceful assembly. That would make your opinion...wrong.... as usual. Edited November 15, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Shady Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 The Court order says a by-law restricting camping does not over-rule their right to peaceful assembly. That would make your opinion...wrong.... as usual. They CAN peacefully assemble and protest. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 They CAN peacefully assemble and protest. Whenever they want for as long as they want. There is no lawful reason to deny them access to public space or restrict their protests to particular hours of the day. Quote
Boges Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 The Court order says a by-law restricting camping does not over-rule their right to peaceful assembly. That would make your opinion...wrong.... as usual. Has a court ruled on your opinion of this? If so please cite. Quote
cybercoma Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Has a court ruled on your opinion of this? If so please cite. "the National Lawyers Guild obtained a court order allowing the protesters to return with their tents to the park, where they have camped for two months Read it on Global News: Global News | Court order will allow Occupy protesters to return to Zuccotti Park" Quote
GostHacked Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Has a court ruled on your opinion of this? If so please cite. Why would you trust the court that supports the corrupt system? Quote
Boges Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Why would you trust the court that supports the corrupt system? Same Courts that ruled that Abortion and Gay Marriage are constitutional rights. I'm assuming you support court rulings then. Quote
charter.rights Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 (edited) Has a court ruled on your opinion of this? If so please cite. Supreme Court of the State of New York "IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, that until this matter is heard on the date set forth above, respondents / defendants are prohibited from: (a.) Evicting protesters from Zuccoti Park aka Liberty Park exclusive of lawful arrests for criminal offenses; and / or, (b.) Enforcing “rules” published after the occupation began or otherwise preventing protesters from entering the park with tents and other property previously utilized." That makes Shady's opinion wrong. But will he admit it? Edited November 15, 2011 by charter.rights Quote “Safeguarding the rights of others is the most noble and beautiful end of a human being.” Kahlil Gibran “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.” Albert Einstein
Boges Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Supreme Court of the State of New York "IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, that until this matter is heard on the date set forth above, respondents / defendants are prohibited from: (a.) Evicting protesters from Zuccoti Park aka Liberty Park exclusive of lawful arrests for criminal offenses; and / or, (b.) Enforcing “rules” published after the occupation began or otherwise preventing protesters from entering the park with tents and other property previously utilized." That makes Shady's opinion wrong. But will he admit it? That's not a court ruling saying the Occupation is lawful. It's an injunction allowing the protest to continue until issue is heard by a court of law. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Same Courts that ruled that Abortion and Gay Marriage are constitutional rights. I'm assuming you support court rulings then. That would depend on my view of a specific ruling. Quote
Boges Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 That would depend on my view of a specific ruling. So it's only corrupt when you disagree with the rulings? Gotcha! Quote
grogy Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Supreme Court of the State of New York "IT IS FURTHER ORDERED, that until this matter is heard on the date set forth above.. They may be technically allowed to stay for now, but remaining in the park has not been legalized permanently, an important difference. You would think that setting up living quarters in the park would not be required to protest, a rotating protest could be setup. Quote
GostHacked Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 So it's only corrupt when you disagree with the rulings? Gotcha! And it's ineffective if you don't agree with some of it's rulings. Do you agree with everything the court rules on? Quote
Shady Posted November 15, 2011 Report Posted November 15, 2011 Whenever they want for as long as they want. There is no lawful reason to deny them access to public space or restrict their protests to particular hours of the day. There is no right to protest as long as you want to on private property. Stop pretending there is. Quote
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