Whites to Attain Minority Status?

[Shwa]

I like how you state something is fact while presenting absolutely no evidence, then demanding proof that it's wrong.

True. Smallc did do that, which is funny in a way.

But the point still stands and it is widely accepted that immigration has been and still is, beneficial to the Canadian economy.

[Wild Bill]

Actually, no. It's widely accepted that immigration is extremely beneficial to the Canadian economy. You prove otherwise.

Did you actually read what I posted? That was exactly my point! I just added that in many cases it can take a generation to pay larger benefits!

If you're not going to read what I post then why bother to reply? Here I am taking a stand against a racist POV and you are using me as a straw man!

[bloodyminded]

Actually, no. It's widely accepted that immigration is extremely beneficial to the Canadian economy. You prove otherwise.

Wasn't that Wild Bill's point?

[Oleg Bach]

Wasn't that Wild Bill's point?

Immigration may have benefited the economy - for the top elite - but it did degrade the quality of life for those already here. There was a time when one male could support a family - own a fine home - with land...a good car - and the best food...and if every out of work could spend less than a day knocking on a few doors and be working the next day...Immigration - and yes I spawn from that group...stinks...I love people in general - but this buisness that MORE people make for more happiness and security is a hoax.

[Smallc]

Wasn't that Wild Bill's point?

Maybe it was. I must have misunderstood.

[Dissenter]

My responding to this post and others like it should not be taken as giving credit to this poster's racist vitriole.

In your opinion it's racist.

Anti-racist is just code for anti-white.

[Dissenter]

And it couldn't come soon enough buddy!

WWWTT

Typical anti-white response:

1) Race is just a social construct - white people don't exist.

2) Everything bad that has happened throughout history has been the fault of white people... who don't exist.

3) Justify genocide.

4) Wish for genocide.

5) White people who object should not be allowed to speak because they're evil people!

[Oleg Bach]

Here's what "minority" means:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minority_group

Wikipedia is not a good sourse of anything - they mention that a minority might not have anything to do with "numerical" minority...talk about Orwellian double speak - If it is minor - or a minority - it is NOT a majority - hence the numerical value is less...no wonder people are getting stupid - wikipedia smacks of manipulative political correctenss -I suggest we all get an old fashioned thing called a book - a dictionary!

[cybercoma]

If you're going to look up sociological terms, then you better get yourself a sociological dictionary. Wikipedia was the easiest source that everyone could see, rather than scouring Blackwell for an article that only some people would have access to. I would say the Wikipedia definition is sufficient for this conversation. Minority status refers to a group's relationship to power and not the number of people. Whites in South Africa during Apartheid, although they were fewer in number, would not be sociologically considered minorities, given their relationship to power on the institutions at the time. To talk simply of numbers, minority is not appropriate since the word, when talking about social groups like this, has a well-established meaning that has little to do with the numbers.

[M.Dancer]

Anti-racist is just code for anti-white.

Wow....you mean when someone calls Farrakhan racist, they are being ant-white?

I have always considered anti racist to be code for anti-sub par IQ idiot

[M.Dancer]

1) Race is just a social construct - white people don't exist.

Correct. Neither do black people, which should warm the cockles of your heart.

2) Everything bad that has happened throughout history has been the fault of white people... who don't exist.

Everything good that has happened is the fault of white people too...who don't exist

3) Justify genocide.

4) Wish for genocide.

I can hardly wait for your explanation of these non sequitors ]

5) White people who object should not be allowed to speak because they're evil people!

Nonsense....white people, who dominate all forms of media,don't exist.

[Oleg Bach]

Wow....you mean when someone calls Farrakhan racist, they are being ant-white?

I have always considered anti racist to be code for anti-sub par IQ idiot

Anti-white? Got that right - the average brown immigrant to Canada looks upon whites as some sort or privledged ruling class that will abuse and use them - Don't they know that our elite class - will abuse whites as well.

[cybercoma]

the average brown immigrant to Canada looks upon whites as some sort or privledged ruling class that will abuse and use them

Source? I hardly think you're qualified to speak for "the average brown immigrant to Canada".

[Oleg Bach]

Source? I hardly think you're qualified to speak for "the average brown immigrant to Canada".

You are right - my qualifications are limited to my limited observations - I do have associates who are brown and they get along just fine with whites - but I have seen the look of intense hatred in the eyes of some...usually religious zealots who look upon their Canadian hosts as infidels and dogs - yet they are here and benefiting from us .

[cybercoma]

I have seen the look of intense hatred in the eyes of some...usually religious zealots who look upon their Canadian hosts as infidels and dogs

You propose that you read the minds of others? Hatred and fear are similar emotions and it's possible that the look you're getting is their fear of your ethnocentric judgements.

[Scotty]

True. Smallc did do that, which is funny in a way.

But the point still stands and it is widely accepted that immigration has been and still is, beneficial to the Canadian economy.

It's accepted by people who haven't bothered to actually look into it. And none of the people, the so-called experts and politicians, who trumpet our immigration system have EVER presented any evidence that shows its good for our economy.

I'd actually be interested in seeing such evidence. I have looked for it. I have looked at the statements of politicians and immigration lobbyists and Immigration Canada. None contain any evidence. But for people willing to accept self-serving statements without evidence, I suppose it's all good.

Edited July 20, 2011 by Scotty

[Shwa]

I'd actually be interested in seeing such evidence.

Ummm. I think it is called a "history book."

Depending on whether you take "history" as "evidence" mind you...

[Remiel]

It's accepted by people who haven't bothered to actually look into it. And none of the people, the so-called experts and politicians, who trumpet our immigration system have EVER presented any evidence that shows its good for our economy.

If you accept that population growth is good for the economy, and that without immigration, there would be almost no population growth in Canada, then you must, at least tentativly, accept by extension that immigration is good for the economy.

Edited July 20, 2011 by Remiel

[fellowtraveller]

It's accepted by people who haven't bothered to actually look into it. And none of the people, the so-called experts and politicians, who trumpet our immigration system have EVER presented any evidence that shows its good for our economy.

I'd actually be interested in seeing such evidence. I have looked for it.

Is your real life name Helen Keller?

Of the 34 million people in Canada, about 32 million plus are immigrants to the country.

We have one of the highest standards of living on the planet.

Do you think those two realities are completey disconnected, or do you think that our high standard of living was entirely created by the <2 million persons who are not immigrants, or actually immigrated a few thousand years earlier?

[Wild Bill]

Ummm. I think it is called a "history book."

Depending on whether you take "history" as "evidence" mind you...

I agree. History has proven that immigration has been good for Canada.

That being said,it is not hard to see why some today disagree. If you base your definition of history as ONLY the past 5-10 years you get a quite different picture than if you look at the past 100.

Most of our immigrant happened during periods of strong growth! Immigrants literally carved out and built most of this country! Without their contributions it could never have happened.

We have been experiencing quite different times. Our economy has NOT been strong for a while! Housing and building starts are down. Unemployment has been higher than the historical average. To some, this means that to maintain the same level of immigration when there are few jobs for them doesn't make sense. Since new immigrants tend to accept poorer wages there's a further argument that they are taking jobs away from those already here who have been experiencing downsizing and the like.

These are valid arguments ONLY in the context of these few specific years! Surely these times are only a blip in Canada's history. If they are to become the new status quo, then we have much bigger problems in store for us. However, that's not likely. An examination of how much our population growth has dipped below the replacement value clearly shows that our population will be shrinking, at a rate that we couldn't possibly significantly reduce by increasing immigration. We may not need as many labourers to build houses. Hell, we may see the day when real estate agents are faced with a surplus of empty houses, driving down prices! Still, we will need people to do maintenance, to fix our wiring, hookup our phones, be our doctors and lawyers, and so on. If it is true that we have qualified doctors driving cabs then there at least is some hope that most if not all of us will not lack for a doctor. Thousands do right now in Southern Ontario!

Whatever. The odds are far more likely that this is just a temporary pause or lull in Canada's growth. Looking at the data 10 or 20 years from now will likely show that the trend of the past 100 years will have continued, despite a few aberrant years right now.

History is a lot more than the past few weekends!

[WWWTT]

Typical anti-white response:

1) Race is just a social construct - white people don't exist.

2) Everything bad that has happened throughout history has been the fault of white people... who don't exist.

3) Justify genocide.

4) Wish for genocide.

5) White people who object should not be allowed to speak because they're evil people!

Please let me clarify.

I was actually refering to the attitude that we would be better off without.

Not any particular skin color,race or culture.

WWWTT

[bush_cheney2004]

Is your real life name Helen Keller?

Not very likely, as Helen Keller was very much a liberal and advocate for social justice.

[Tilter]

And it couldn't come soon enough buddy!

WWWTT

Yes--- we too could have the civil wars of Africa--- the slaughters and cannibalism of Uganda, the pleasures of the Somalian famines and the kindness of the Middle Eastern despots all rolled up into one country known as Canada if we can only continue to give our citizenship so easily. The Americans stopped importing desolation so I guess Canada had to fill in for them. Send us your Terrorists, your despots, you people who have sucked the goodness out of their birth countries & are looking for new places in which to make desolation.

[bloodyminded]

Yes--- we too could have the civil wars of Africa--- the slaughters and cannibalism of Uganda, the pleasures of the Somalian famines and the kindness of the Middle Eastern despots all rolled up into one country known as Canada if we can only continue to give our citizenship so easily. The Americans stopped importing desolation so I guess Canada had to fill in for them. Send us your Terrorists, your despots, you people who have sucked the goodness out of their birth countries & are looking for new places in which to make desolation.

Jeez, it's far worse than I thought. This sounds dramatic.

[cybercoma]

Who knew that Africa's problems are a direct result of immigration and multiculturalism. I learned something new today.