eyeball Posted July 11, 2011 Report Posted July 11, 2011 No matter if the US gave it to Saddam or not, the US turned a blind eye to the fact that he was using it. Especially in regards to using it on Iran. Is this part of the problem? Or part of the solution? What blind eye? The US also provided satellite intelligence to Saddam on where and when to use his WMD's. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest American Woman Posted July 11, 2011 Report Posted July 11, 2011 No matter if the US gave it to Saddam or not, the US turned a blind eye to the fact that he was using it. Especially in regards to using it on Iran. Is this part of the problem? Or part of the solution? Just curious. What was Canada doing at the time? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 11, 2011 Report Posted July 11, 2011 Just curious. What was Canada doing at the time? Oh...Canada was just selling the "precursors" to the greatest WMD of all, nuclear weapons, to the United States and United Kingdom. Still does...... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Saipan Posted July 12, 2011 Report Posted July 12, 2011 I recall vids of Don Rumsfeld shaking Saddam hand I recall vids of P.E. Trudeau shaking Mao's hand, after Mao exterminated more civilians than Hitler and Stalin combined. Quote
Saipan Posted July 12, 2011 Report Posted July 12, 2011 No matter if the US gave it to Saddam or not It does matter very much. Most chemicals came from Germany. Arms from China, Russia, and France. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted July 12, 2011 Report Posted July 12, 2011 It does matter very much. Most chemicals came from Germany. Arms from China, Russia, and France. Singapore provided mountains of chemical precursors to Saddam, as well. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted July 12, 2011 Report Posted July 12, 2011 I recall vids of P.E. Trudeau shaking Mao's hand, after Mao exterminated more civilians than Hitler and Stalin combined. Yep. And here's a pic of the two for those who need their memory/history lessons refreshed: Trudeau and Mao Quote
Bob Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 Pierre Trudeau was painfully amazingly moronic with respect to understanding the tyranny (and tyrants) of the time. He really didn't grasp what communism was or who the dictators were. He seemed to legitimately think that communism was just another way to do things, now worse than any other system. No question he had a lot of other admirable talents, but as is common among myopic Western leftists who are massively ignorant of certain historical and political realities, there were some major things he just didn't get. Trudeau and Castro. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
bud Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 i find it interesting that many of those who scrutinize trudeau for taking photos with mao would defend reagan's relationship and role in south america. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
M.Dancer Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 I find it interesting that some have so little perspective as to compare a mass murderer of millions with the picayune dicators and nations on the cusp of democracy... actually, no I don't, i find it just a trifle amusing... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
Guest American Woman Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 i find it interesting that many of those who scrutinize trudeau for taking photos with mao would defend reagan's relationship and role in south america. I find it interesting that you don't recognize that the "scrutinizing" of Trudeau for taking photos with Mao was in response to the scrutinizing of Rumsfeld's photo with Saddam . Actually, I find it more predictable than interesting ..... Quote
bud Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 I find it interesting that some have so little perspective as to compare a mass murderer of millions with the picayune dicators and nations on the cusp of democracy... actually, no I don't, i find it just a trifle amusing... you missed the point again. i am comparing trudeau's relationship with mao, which did not involve any role in mao's human rights abuses to other western leaders' relationships with dictators and their direct roles in the human rights abuses. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
Guest American Woman Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 you missed the point again. i am comparing trudeau's relationship with mao, which did not involve any role in mao's human rights abuses .... "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." So yeah, I'd say Trudeau played a role in Mao's human rights abuses by shaking his hand in friendship. Quote
M.Dancer Posted July 13, 2011 Report Posted July 13, 2011 you missed the point again. i am comparing trudeau's relationship with mao, which did not involve any role in mao's human rights abuses to other western leaders' relationships with dictators and their direct roles in the human rights abuses. Ortega and castro were not assisted by reagan... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bud Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Ortega and castro were not assisted by reagan... trudeau shaking hands with mao and castro is worse than reagan's role in the state sponsored terrorism. i see what you mean. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
M.Dancer Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 trudeau shaking hands with mao and castro is worse than reagan's role in the state sponsored terrorism. i see what you mean. close, trudeau shaking hands with a communist mass murderer of millions is worse than Reagan helping thwart the same communism from doing the same things in this hemisphere... The sandinistas with very little time gave the world a taste of what was in store for communist south america...ethnic cleansing.... 15,000 indians murdered, disappeared or imprisoned, thousands of nicaruaguans murdered, tortured and imprisoned...mass murder, mass graves.... Yes, Reagan is a hero...Trudeau, a schmuck Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bud Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 close, trudeau shaking hands with a communist mass murderer of millions is worse than Reagan helping thwart the same communism from doing the same things in this hemisphere... The sandinistas with very little time gave the world a taste of what was in store for communist south america...ethnic cleansing.... 15,000 indians murdered, disappeared or imprisoned, thousands of nicaruaguans murdered, tortured and imprisoned...mass murder, mass graves.... Yes, Reagan is a hero...Trudeau, a schmuck your hero sponsored groups and organizations who killed thousands of people in nicaragua, colombia and el salvador. your hero's government was found to be guilty of state sponsored terrorism by the world court. lets not forget the 200,000+ peasants killed by the the guatemalan government which was financed and trained by reagan. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
M.Dancer Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 lets not forget the 200,000+ peasants killed by the the guatemalan government which was financed and trained by reagan. Really? By Reagan, correct me if I am wrong....reagan was after Carter...? How about carter, Nixon, Kennedy....|? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
bush_cheney2004 Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) Errr...for those keeping score at home....200,000 < 20,000,000. Edited July 14, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bud Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 Errr...for those keeping score at home....200,000 < 20,000,000. for those keeping score, reagan was directly involved in the deaths and torture of hundreds of thousands of civilians, while, wait for it, trudeau shook hands with mao and had no part in mao's human rights violations. yes. both of you are so ridiculous that you would: a) try to somehow draw a parallel between trudeau shaking hands with a human rights violator to reagan actually having direct involvement with human rights violators. try to excuse reagan's direct involvement in the deaths of thousands of civilians through sponsoring and training terrorist organizations and then call him a hero. i have no problem with criticizing trudeau for not being vocal about human rights and instead looking like he was some star struck fanboy. however, if the person who is criticizing trudeau for shaking hands while calling reagan a hero, who had direct involvement with groups and organizations who committed atrocities in south america, then i have to remind you what a pathetic clown you are and how little worth of credibility you have in your judgement. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bloodyminded Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) del Edited July 14, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 The sandinistas with very little time gave the world a taste of what was in store for communist south america...ethnic cleansing.... 15,000 indians murdered, disappeared or imprisoned, thousands of nicaruaguans murdered, tortured and imprisoned...mass murder, mass graves.... Yes, Reagan is a hero...Trudeau, a schmuck Once you educate yourself on the right-wing dictatorships, as well as the "heroic" Contras (a terrorist militia), you should come back for more discussion. Simply examining reactionary sources, who selectively focus on the few bad lefty governments in Latin America and ignore the far more numerous right-wing ones that received such willing and murderous support from the freedom-loving democracies...well, that's going to leave certain important gaps in your knowledge. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
bloodyminded Posted July 14, 2011 Report Posted July 14, 2011 (edited) del Edited July 14, 2011 by bloodyminded Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Guest American Woman Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 for those keeping score, reagan was directly involved in the deaths and torture of hundreds of thousands of civilians, while, wait for it, trudeau shook hands with mao and had no part in mao's human rights violations. Again. You think "shaking his hand" = "no part?" What do you think shaking his hand signifies? You think if you stand by and watch a rape while "not being directly involved," ie: doing nothing to stop it, and then shake the rapist's hand, you had no part in supporting his behavior? In emboldening him? yes. both of you are so ridiculous that you would:a) try to somehow draw a parallel between trudeau shaking hands with a human rights violator to reagan actually having direct involvement with human rights violators. try to excuse reagan's direct involvement in the deaths of thousands of civilians through sponsoring and training terrorist organizations and then call him a hero. You're the one taking the ridiculous stand that Trudeau's shaking hands with Mao - ie: supporting him - is not having any part in Mao's human rights violations. As I said, doing nothing allows the behavior to flourish - but Trudeau didn't even "do nothing" - he showed his support of Mao by publicly shaking his hand. Why do you think he did that? What do you think that signified? Do you honestly believe that that kind of support didn't embolden him and result in continued human rights violations? Quote
bud Posted July 16, 2011 Report Posted July 16, 2011 (edited) Again. You think "shaking his hand" = "no part?" What do you think shaking his hand signifies? You think if you stand by and watch a rape while "not being directly involved," ie: doing nothing to stop it, and then shake the rapist's hand, you had no part in supporting his behavior? In emboldening him? trudeau's hand shake with mao is i'm sure as outrageous to you as: nixon shaking mao's hand and reagan ready to embrace and dance with the saudi king, in 1981 and reagan walking hand in hand with philipino dictator, marcos and reagan shaking hands with the dictator, mobutu and reagan and another good buddy, montt, the guatemalan mass murderer and reagan with another terrorist. this time with savimbi, the poster child of human rights abusers from angola and it keeps going. You're the one taking the ridiculous stand that Trudeau's shaking hands with Mao - ie: supporting him - is not having any part in Mao's human rights violations. As I said, doing nothing allows the behavior to flourish - but Trudeau didn't even "do nothing" - he showed his support of Mao by publicly shaking his hand. Why do you think he did that? What do you think that signified? Do you honestly believe that that kind of support didn't embolden him and result in continued human rights violations? look at the photos above with reagan and company and you tell me what the hand shakes mean. now talk to me about reagan's friendly relationship with dictators and terrorists and his direct involvement in human rights abuses. there is a good chance you will avoid responding to this. Edited July 16, 2011 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
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