Zekes Exempt From Motor Cycle Helmet In Ontario

[flemingetq]

As a avid rider and Paramedic, I have no clue why this is being talked about. Plain and simple if you ride a motor cycle you wear a helmet, no questions.

We as Canadian need to start to stad up for are laws and regulation that we have to live by. If you come to this country to stay you are now Canadian and must live and follow the rules and regulation of your new country.

Yes I do believe that your have the right to have your religen, but don't try to change the rules and regulation of your new country claiming its your relgios rights. There is no way I could move to an different country and start chaging your rules and regulation based on my beliefs, it just wouldnt happen and myself as a person would not be that selfish to try to do it.

Case and point of faith based changes that have been changed or removed from Canadian's

1) Removal of Lords Prayr from Puplic School (I still remember while being in school when this happened)

2) Members of RCMP do not have to wear the full RCMP uniform based on religious beleifs

3) Can not say Merry Christmas in Goverments Building in fear of offending some one

4) Now no helmets

Just to state i am not raciest in any way I have many friends from different countries and faith. This is just starting to become a bit much. If this goes through in Ontario as it has in other prov if you get hurt you pay the bill plain and simple. No health care cost should be covered based it was your choice not to wear a helmet.

If you diecide to leave your country to come to Canada for a better life, I think that is great and very brave of you as thats a huge step. But do not come here and try to change the rules and regulation of your new home country. You are now a Canadian and must live by those rules.

[Shwa]

Since you are new here...

As a avid rider and Paramedic, I have no clue why this is being talked about.

Provide a source to whatever you are talking about if it isn't one of those major news items. I am fairly cognizant of most news items on a daily basis and I have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

And what religion is "Zekes??" If you mean Sikh, then get your spelling in order.

Plain and simple if you ride a motor cycle you wear a helmet, no questions.

Is that a Canadian law or a provincial one? What province are you talking about?

We as Canadian need to start to stad up for are laws and regulation that we have to live by. If you come to this country to stay you are now Canadian and must live and follow the rules and regulation of your new country.

Except where those rules and regulations provide for exceptions. Right?

Yes I do believe that your have the right to have your religen, but don't try to change the rules and regulation of your new country claiming its your relgios rights. There is no way I could move to an different country and start chaging your rules and regulation based on my beliefs, it just wouldnt happen and myself as a person would not be that selfish to try to do it.

If you moved to a different country, why would you try and change my rules? Unless you are addressing a specific part of the population, i.e. the "Zekes."

Case and point of faith based changes that have been changed or removed from Canadian's

Are you sure about this? Are the following all national laws, rules or regulations?

1) Removal of Lords Prayr from Puplic School (I still remember while being in school when this happened)

Not a bad thing where warranted.

2) Members of RCMP do not have to wear the full RCMP uniform based on religious beleifs

The RCMP uniform was modified to accomodate people of different religious faiths. A sanctioned modification in the uniform is a "full RCMP uniform."

3) Can not say Merry Christmas in Goverments Building in fear of offending some one

This appears to be a personal opinion and it certainly is no law or regulation that I am aware of. Can you back up this claim with some citation or evidence?

4) Now no helmets

Citation?

Just to state i am not raciest in any way I have many friends from different countries and faith. This is just starting to become a bit much. If this goes through in Ontario as it has in other prov if you get hurt you pay the bill plain and simple. No health care cost should be covered based it was your choice not to wear a helmet.

A fair idea, but it has to be applied equally across the board. Then, should someone that wears a cheaper helmet have to pay the same price as someone who wears a more expensive, more protective helment? How about the cost of skin grafts for those that refuse to wear tough leathers and get road rash? Should they have to pay "plain and simple?"

If you diecide to leave your country to come to Canada for a better life, I think that is great and very brave of you as thats a huge step. But do not come here and try to change the rules and regulation of your new home country. You are now a Canadian and must live by those rules.

But change is going to happen. It always has, it always will. Is there some point in time that defines what "Canadian" means and we should revert to that time as a baseline to what the "rules" should be? That is, was Canada more "Canadian" when you were in school, prior to the Lord's Prayer being removed?

[M.Dancer]

Wasn't Zeke the janitor is the Dick and Jane books?

I expect he's too old to ride now...

[Oleg Bach]

We are like big babies with big heads. When there is a tumble - a whipping action takes place and the end of the whip smacks the pavement. That's just the way it works...same as pedestrians struck by cars - the head is whipped against the pavement and cracks like a water mellon swung on a rope against a wall...Helments help - those that say that to wear a helment is a breach against some sort of personal freedom...It is not for the safety of the rider for the most part but for the conveniece of the people who get stuck with having to change the diapers on some bithering idiot with a brain injury .....no one needs to take care of one more crippled up rider...who insisted on being seen on his bike - on letting their beautiful hair blow in the wind - and showing how macho they are to be with out protection -----------travel at 20 clicks in a car and jump out - boom goes the mellon and then starts the swellen of that grey jello in your bleeding noggin.

[Sir Bandelot]

Wasn't Zeke the janitor is the Dick and Jane books?

Speaking of cleaning up ones grammatical errors... looks like Dancer's been sniffing his magic markers again.

Yes clearly the OP refers to Sikhs.

As my motorcycle instructor explained to me many years ago, the main difference between closed helmets/ open helmets in an accident is, closed caskets and open caskets. But no helmet at all? That's a closed casket...

[M.Dancer]

As my motorcycle instructor explained to me many years ago, the main difference between closed helmets/ open helmets in an accident is, closed caskets and open caskets. But no helmet at all? That's a closed casket...

Your instructor is an idiot

[GostHacked]

Your instructor is an idiot

It's quite true. When you get into an accident with a motorcycle, the helmet in many cases really wont do a damn thing. There are no seat belts or air bags on bikes. Either way, when you hit the ground you have a good chance of snapping your neck no matter what helmet you use, it's the weight of it and the chin strap that will also do you in when you impact whatever it is you are flying at.

I'll still wear a helmet myself. But when playing with 1100cc's ... it won't take much to sustain a serious injury .. or death.

[M.Dancer]

It's quite true. When you get into an accident with a motorcycle, the helmet in many cases really wont do a damn thing. There are no seat belts or air bags on bikes. Either way, when you hit the ground you have a good chance of snapping your neck no matter what helmet you use, it's the weight of it and the chin strap that will also do you in when you impact whatever it is you are flying at.

I'll still wear a helmet myself. But when playing with 1100cc's ... it won't take much to sustain a serious injury .. or death.

Because no one has ever had a brain injury, right?

And no one has ever had a brain injury prevented by wearing a helmet, right?

[Shakeyhands]

I'll still wear a helmet myself. But when playing with 1100cc's ... it won't take much to sustain a serious injury .. or death.

While I appreciate your point, the size of the engine makes absolutely no difference... you can hurt yourself just as badly on a Vino 50 or a YZF R1...

That said, I ride daily (a KTM 990 Adventure if you are interested) and I believe in the ATGATT philosophy, All The Gear, All The Time, I NEVER ride, not even around the block, without full textiles, helmet, gloves and boots. I was in an accident when I was 18 and learned a very important lesson, you can wipe sweat off, you can't wipe road rash off.

The case that the OP is referring to was heard in 2008 iirc, the case was turned down and Sikhs HAVE to wear helmets just like everyone else, even Zekes.

The opening thread certainly sounds rascist and intolerant to me btw.

[Oleg Bach]

It's quite true. When you get into an accident with a motorcycle, the helmet in many cases really wont do a damn thing. There are no seat belts or air bags on bikes. Either way, when you hit the ground you have a good chance of snapping your neck no matter what helmet you use, it's the weight of it and the chin strap that will also do you in when you impact whatever it is you are flying at.

I'll still wear a helmet myself. But when playing with 1100cc's ... it won't take much to sustain a serious injury .. or death.

Doing 22o clicks is enough to cause disintigration...car or bike.

[Sir Bandelot]

I've had a few near misses over the years and I'll tell you, any time you get up over about 50 km/h or so you're approaching that danger zone where you can get badly injured in a crash. Go much faster, and death is practically inevitable. But despite that, it would be completely foolish to not wear full gear. So I'm with the guys who said that.

Not Dancer

[GostHacked]

Because no one has ever had a brain injury, right?

Um .. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!!

And no one has ever had a brain injury prevented by wearing a helmet, right?

I don't know how you consistently manage to construed everything I post into something I did not say or even hint at. As I said, I still wear a helmet. Even out on the mountain bike I wear my helmet. It can prevent brain and head injuries, but on a motorbike, when clipping that fast on a motorcycle and having an accident, you are in many cases better off dead. A helmet does nothing for you when you hit the pavement at 50+ Kph.

Yes wearing protection is a good thing, however you will sustain more injuries when you experience a crash on a motorcycle compared to a car.

[dre]

Um .. DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !!!!

I don't know how you consistently manage to construed everything I post into something I did not say or even hint at. As I said, I still wear a helmet. Even out on the mountain bike I wear my helmet. It can prevent brain and head injuries, but on a motorbike, when clipping that fast on a motorcycle and having an accident, you are in many cases better off dead. A helmet does nothing for you when you hit the pavement at 50+ Kph.

Yes wearing protection is a good thing, however you will sustain more injuries when you experience a crash on a motorcycle compared to a car.

Thats not correct. Iv hit the pavement at well over 50 kph, and as long as you dont hit vehicles or other objects laterally you have an excellent chance of surviving because the rider is moving in the same direction as the surface of the road. He slides or tumbles but theres not gigantic impact like there would be if you hit a barrier or another vehicle. If you have leathers and a helmet on theres a really good chance you will WALK AWAY from such an incident.

You should take a look at some pictures of the helmets from such accidents. Some of them are almost worn right through from road abrasion... and have prevented serious head injuries and grotesque superficial injuries.

Good helmets are a gigantic different maker.

[M.Dancer]

Thats not correct. Iv hit the pavement at well over 50 kph, and as long as you dont hit vehicles or other objects laterally you have an excellent chance of surviving because the rider is moving in the same direction as the surface of the road. He slides or tumbles but theres not gigantic impact like there would be if you hit a barrier or another vehicle. If you have leathers and a helmet on theres a really good chance you will WALK AWAY from such an incident.

You should take a look at some pictures of the helmets from such accidents. Some of them are almost worn right through from road abrasion... and have prevented serious head injuries and grotesque superficial injuries.

Good helmets are a gigantic different maker.

A friend of mine some years back has a serious accident on his bike. He hit a car making an illegal turn, flew about 20 feet through the air landing on the edge of the curb, shattering his forearm in the process.

His helmet, as it was supposed to do, cracked.

While his arm was toast, he only suffered a mild concussion. His helmet saved his life.

There is some serious disinformation out there about helmets. The people who believe it are idiots.

[dre]

A friend of mine some years back has a serious accident on his bike. He hit a car making an illegal turn, flew about 20 feet through the air landing on the edge of the curb, shattering his forearm in the process.

His helmet, as it was supposed to do, cracked.

While his arm was toast, he only suffered a mild concussion. His helmet saved his life.

There is some serious disinformation out there about helmets. The people who believe it are idiots.

Yeah no question about it.

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The guy wearing that helmet would have no face right now.

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Same with that one.

I DO have some concerns with mandating too much safety equipment though... You can get suits with airbags now, and all kinds of other things that are effective in certain cases. But some of these things do impact the enjoyment of an activity.

Drivers of regular cars would be safer with full face helmets as well...

I guess we just gotta put our faith in regulators have good judgement and common sense and in most cases I guess they do.

Edited June 30, 2011 by dre

[Michael Hardner]

We are like big babies with big Heads.

I assume this is the royal 'we' you are using?

[eyeball]

I DO have some concerns with mandating too much safety equipment though... You can get suits with airbags now, and all kinds of other things that are effective in certain cases. But some of these things do impact the enjoyment of an activity.

Drivers of regular cars would be safer with full face helmets as well...

I guess we just gotta put our faith in regulators have good judgement and common sense and in most cases I guess they do.

Talked to any loggers or commercial divers about the issue of mandating too much safety equipment lately?

Lets just hope the nannies at WorkSafe BC aren't given the job of making the whole world safe in addition to the workplace. They seem to have taken the old safety meeting joke and made it their motto; if nobody moves nobody gets hurt.

I'd probably have a little more faith in regulators if the regulators had a little more faith in me.

Edited July 1, 2011 by eyeball

[Oleg Bach]

Brains are like grey jello - you do not want to stir it with a spoon - anything that lessens the impact is a plus.

[M.Dancer]

Irony is a bitch

Troopers say Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

[Bonam]

Thats not correct. Iv hit the pavement at well over 50 kph, and as long as you dont hit vehicles or other objects laterally you have an excellent chance of surviving because the rider is moving in the same direction as the surface of the road. He slides or tumbles but theres not gigantic impact like there would be if you hit a barrier or another vehicle. If you have leathers and a helmet on theres a really good chance you will WALK AWAY from such an incident.

I agree. 50 kph is really not that fast. Humans can sprint at 30-37 kph. You're not gonna kill yourself if you fall over while sprinting, and an extra 13 kph isn't gonna do you in either. People can go on normal (non-motor) bikes at 50 kph or more and do so all the time, as well.

[Shakeyhands]

Irony is a bitch

Troopers say Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.

It would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[M.Dancer]

I agree. 50 kph is really not that fast. Humans can sprint at 30-37 kph. You're not gonna kill yourself if you fall over while sprinting, and an extra 13 kph isn't gonna do you in either. People can go on normal (non-motor) bikes at 50 kph or more and do so all the time, as well.

I shan't speculate whether it is possible to kill yourself falling while sprinting....I think if you try hard enough you will.

the dynamics of running and cycling, or motor biking are completely different. Cyclists have died going far less than 50K an hour...I imagine if you stood on the hood of a car while the car went along a 45K and slammed on the brakes, the result would not be without some injury...i would recommend a helmet for that stunt

[Bonam]

I shan't speculate whether it is possible to kill yourself falling while sprinting....I think if you try hard enough you will.

the dynamics of running and cycling, or motor biking are completely different. Cyclists have died going far less than 50K an hour.

If you crash into something sure, but just falling onto pavement at "far less than" 50 kph I would think would have very very little chance of death. You'd have to land in some extremely rare freak accident kind of way to kill yourself falling off a bike onto flat ground at 40 kph.

I've fallen off a bike at those kind of speeds several times and never had anything worse than scrapes and bruises and ripped pants, and that's just wearing normal clothes + cycling helmet.

Edited July 4, 2011 by Bonam

[guyser]

If you crash into something sure, but just falling onto pavement at "far less than" 50 kph I would think would have very very little chance of death.

Car backed up from parking spot, my friend sitting on hood fell off. Hit his head and died right there.

One can faint and die from the blow.

[scribblet]

http://archive.safety-council.org/info/traffic/helmets.html

All Canadian provinces have universal motorcycle helmet laws.

So, surely if one group wishes to be exempt from Canadian law, they should also be exempt from health care coverage for any treatment required resulting from a bike accident.