Oleg Bach Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Why was it ever "accept" at all. Should we "accept" Canada's right to exist? That's strange that suddenly Israel is a "jewish" state - last time I talked to an Israeli youth - He said "I believe in the state of Israel but do not believe in GOD" - well that attitude would certainly make you NOT Jewish....Looks like they want it both ways...to be secular but live under the protection of religion. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/2011/06/23/kelly-mcparland-dog-days-in-the-hate-israel-industry/ Pretty much mirrors my initial opinion of these anti-Semites sailing aboard the Sea Hitler. Palistinians are Semites (Shemites) - and so are the Israelis. Both tribes are decended from a common ancestor - Shem - the son of Noah...maybe the family fued should stop...and maybe those who are not family should mind their own buisness. I am estranged from my youngest brother...Perhaps they should send a flotilla my way with some aid and support...cos' my brothers hate is unfounded - he is just plain mean and slightly stubborn and stupid...much like some Israelis and some Palistinians..who is to choose who is the just brother and who is the villian? Quote
Remiel Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Sounds like the "might makes right approach". I reject Palestinian nationalistic claims outright - they are Arabs like all their neighbours. There's no need for a 23rd Arab-Islamic state. They do not compose a distinct national identity entitled to national rights. Especially not at the expense of the only Jewish state. If one were to argue that the Quebecois did not need their own country because there were already over twenty French majority countries, one would be laughed out of public life. The argument that Palestinians have no need for their own state because there are already twenty two other Arab states is equally idiotic. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 Palistinians are Semites (Shemites) - and so are the Israelis. Both tribes are decended from a common ancestor - Shem - the son of Noah...maybe the family fued should stop...and maybe those who are not family should mind their own buisness. I am estranged from my youngest brother...Perhaps they should send a flotilla my way with some aid and support...cos' my brothers hate is unfounded - he is just plain mean and slightly stubborn and stupid...much like some Israelis and some Palistinians..who is to choose who is the just brother and who is the villian? Stop being a revisionist. We all know WHAT anti-Semitism is. To be clear for you: anti-Semitism = Jew hatred. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 If one were to argue that the Quebecois did not need their own country because there were already over twenty French majority countries, one would be laughed out of public life. The argument that Palestinians have no need for their own state because there are already twenty two other Arab states is equally idiotic. Not really. There was no big call for an Arab "Palestinian" state when Jordan and Egypt occupied these regions. This means to me that the whole effing thing is a construct trying to reverse the results of the 6 Day War. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 If one were to argue that the Quebecois did not need their own country because there were already over twenty French majority countries, one would be laughed out of public life. The argument that Palestinians have no need for their own state because there are already twenty two other Arab states is equally idiotic. Every family needs a home - we all need four walls - we all need privacey and personal atonomy. Every tribal family has the right by birth to say - I was born on this ground and I am entitled to hold title to it. Why is it that the Iraelis decided that all Jews were a family and they needed a HOME LAND.....yet others are not entitled to a home......Is it in the fact like my Jewish land lord who when asked about the well being of a neighbour will always say `f**l them`..............The classic secularist Jew actually believes in an institutional manner that they are entiled to life and others are just so much bothersome garbage unless they are paying rent..............maybe the Palistinians should pay them the tribute of a rent.......that would appease most I suppose. Quote
Remiel Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Not really. There was no big call for an Arab "Palestinian" state when Jordan and Egypt occupied these regions. This means to me that the whole effing thing is a construct trying to reverse the results of the 6 Day War. Some people argue that Quebec nationalism is illegitimate because it seeks to reverse the results of the Plains of Abraham. Those people are also nuts. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 Some people argue that Quebec nationalism is illegitimate because it seeks to reverse the results of the Plains of Abraham. Those people are also nuts. Was Quebec's desire for their own country driven by the will of a former SS man? No? Didn't think so... Nuts is supporting National Socialism (now with extra Hamas!) in this day and age. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Some people argue that Quebec nationalism is illegitimate because it seeks to reverse the results of the Plains of Abraham. Those people are also nuts. We beat the crap out of the French and showed them mercy ....Israel waged a war and beat the crap out of the locals but shows little mercy...what is the differnced between us and them.......... Quote
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Looks like a good way to classify anyone critical of Israel as an anti-semite if they are recognized as a jewish state. I am sure that will help the 'plight' of the Jews. Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 We beat the crap out of the French and showed them mercy ....Israel waged a war and beat the crap out of the locals but shows little mercy...what is the differnced between us and them.......... To answer my own question is that the British that beat the French at the Plains of Abraham - were Christians and were capable of showing mercy to the vanquished - right up to the present day..Where the old school - old testimonial Jews are more about revenge and are not about CHRISTIAN values....so they do not look upon the Palisitians with a sence of mercy. They look at them as vanquished to be shown no mercy because that is ancient Jewish tradtion...we expect Christian behavour out of the Jews....what a mistake we make. We expect to much out of those not capable of mercy. Quote
Bob Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 If one were to argue that the Quebecois did not need their own country because there were already over twenty French majority countries, one would be laughed out of public life. The argument that Palestinians have no need for their own state because there are already twenty two other Arab states is equally idiotic. The difference between these two examples is, of course, the Palestinians are indistinguishable from the the neighbouring Arab Muslim-majority states. The Quebecois, on the other hand, have some substantial cultural distinctions. I cannot be clear, Palestinians are Arabs just like all the others. There is nothing significant that distinguishes them from other Arabs, aside from their experiences with Israel (i.e. some of them speak Hebrew). If one believes that legitimacy of nationalistic claims is rooted in true distinction, then the "Palestinians" have no legitimate claim to an independent state. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Bob Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Not really. There was no big call for an Arab "Palestinian" state when Jordan and Egypt occupied these regions. This means to me that the whole effing thing is a construct trying to reverse the results of the 6 Day War. Exactly, and their ultimate goal is to reverse the results of 1948-1949. The entire construct of the Palestinian identity is so transparent and meaningless, but again, as I've already said, it's been a successful strategy. The concept of a distinct nation known as "Palestinians" is now accepted wholesale in the mainstream - among journalists, academics, politicians, and the everyman. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 The difference between these two examples is, of course, the Palestinians are indistinguishable from the the neighbouring Arab Muslim-majority states. The Quebecois, on the other hand, have some substantial cultural distinctions. I cannot be clear, Palestinians are Arabs just like all the others. There is nothing significant that distinguishes them from other Arabs, aside from their experiences with Israel (i.e. some of them speak Hebrew). If one believes that legitimacy of nationalistic claims is rooted in true distinction, then the "Palestinians" have no legitimate claim to an independent state. You are an idiot Bob. There is just no way to combat this kind of idiotic rhetoric which I'll say is outright discrimination of another group. They have a right just as Israel claims to have a right. If they do make their own country, what are you doing to do about it? If they do everything the way Israel did, and get their own state, are you still going to be complaining? I hope your views don't represent the rest of the Israeli's and Jews on the whole worldwide. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 Looks like a good way to classify anyone critical of Israel as an anti-semite if they are recognized as a jewish state. I am sure that will help the 'plight' of the Jews. They are anti-Semites, GH. If they truely want to help, they'd be hauling much needed humanitarian aid to Syria. But, since there are no Jews to blame...pass. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 Exactly, and their ultimate goal is to reverse the results of 1948-1949. The entire construct of the Palestinian identity is so transparent and meaningless, but again, as I've already said, it's been a successful strategy. The concept of a distinct nation known as "Palestinians" is now accepted wholesale in the mainstream - among journalists, academics, politicians, and the everyman. I was around for the festivities...so they're not fooling me. Gosthacked...another story. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cdTA5ru7aU Sid Ryan...douche bag. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bob Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 You are an idiot Bob. There is just no way to combat this kind of idiotic rhetoric which I'll say is outright discrimination of another group. They have a right just as Israel claims to have a right. If they do make their own country, what are you doing to do about it? If they do everything the way Israel did, and get their own state, are you still going to be complaining? I hope your views don't represent the rest of the Israeli's and Jews on the whole worldwide. If I'm wrong, please tell me what distinguishes the Palestinians from most other Arabs. Please provide meaningful differences that support the narrative of the "Palestinians" comprising a distinct nation entitled to independence and self-determination. Clearly you have bought into this narrative of a distinct Palestinian identity, so perhaps we can assume that you've arrived at this perspective after some learning and research? Enlighten us. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 If I'm wrong, please tell me what distinguishes the Palestinians from most other Arabs. Please provide meaningful differences that support the narrative of the "Palestinians" comprising a distinct nation entitled to independence and self-determination. Clearly you have bought into this narrative of a distinct Palestinian identity, so perhaps we can assume that you've arrived at this perspective after some learning and research? Enlighten us. Closer ties with Hitler than other Arabs...by an inch or so. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bob Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) They are anti-Semites, GH. If they truely want to help, they'd be hauling much needed humanitarian aid to Syria. But, since there are no Jews to blame...pass. Alternatively, they could make arrangements with Egypt. Of course they don't want to do this, as they want to create a political problem for Israel and manipulate the optics to portray Israel in a negative light. Delivering the "aid" through Egypt isn't as exciting, and is unlikely to yield any Jiahdist-dreams-come-true for 72 virgins. Edited June 23, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Bob Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 (edited) Closer ties with Hitler than other Arabs...by an inch or so. Haha, yes. An important cultural differentiation! And yes, I remember watching that Michael Coren clip online. That Sid Ryan sure is a dependable leftist. Edited June 23, 2011 by Bob Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
DogOnPorch Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Posted June 23, 2011 Alternatively, they could make arrangements with Egypt. Of course they don't want to do this, as they want to create a political problem for Israel and manipulate the optics to portray Israel in a negative light. Some of them are seeking "martyrdom", as well. Yup...but that would ruin this whole Gaza = Leningrad fantasy. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bob Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 Yup...but that would ruin this whole Gaza = Leningrad fantasy. That's another thing that really bothers me, the widespread use of the word "siege" when describing Gaza. My mother's family endured the Siege of St. Petersburg, and I heard the stories. The fact that the term "siege" is used to describe both the 900-day siege and contemporary Gaza is another example of the absurdities of rhetoric used in the Israel-Arab conflict. These journalists need to read a little history to see what a real siege is, and then reconsider their use of that term to describe the current situation in Gaza resulting from the limited blockade. Quote My blog - bobinisrael.blogspot.com - I am writing on it, again!
Remiel Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 The difference between these two examples is, of course, the Palestinians are indistinguishable from the the neighbouring Arab Muslim-majority states. The Quebecois, on the other hand, have some substantial cultural distinctions. I cannot be clear, Palestinians are Arabs just like all the others. There is nothing significant that distinguishes them from other Arabs, aside from their experiences with Israel (i.e. some of them speak Hebrew). If one believes that legitimacy of nationalistic claims is rooted in true distinction, then the "Palestinians" have no legitimate claim to an independent state. There are no distinctions betweens Arabs just like there are no distinctions between Jews. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/ashkenazi-parent-sephardi-girls-have-a-bad-influence-on-our-girls-1.1513 Quote
GostHacked Posted June 23, 2011 Report Posted June 23, 2011 They are anti-Semites, GH. If they truely want to help, they'd be hauling much needed humanitarian aid to Syria. But, since there are no Jews to blame...pass. Syria is it's own state. There is no Palestine at the moment. They are a people without a country, and the occupiers have no intention of letting them get a state. Which means more attacks on Israel. Want security? Work with them. If not, then don't blame them for rocket attacks of suicide bombers. End the occupation and Israel has a real chance to bring peace into the region. Because I can't see this in any way other than a land grab on Israels part. No one has answered how the illegal settlements help the situation. Bob supports genocide/massacres to get rid of the Palestinians from the land they currently are occupied under. Quote
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