The Bible

[dre]

Panic? For standing firmly behind my posts? If there's anyone here who's showing massive cracks in their defense of their own faith and shell-shocked panic....you need only to check out where all the hyperventillating is coming from! Where all the oddly sensitivity to trivial matters come from - including contiuous whinings about fonts and bwa-ha-has!

Oddly askewed replies desperately tries to use GUILT as a weapon, by repetitively insisting someone is sinning for mis-interpreting etc..., What a pathetic ploy - looks like you're running out of ammunition!

Cybercoma prefers the comfort of being in denial - choosing to stay "lost!" Others find the comfort of huddling with the pack, of being obtuse and blind - whatI don't see must not exist syndrome!

Then Mr Dancer decided to simply hunker down and ignore all the facts listed!

I understand that these simple statement of the simply obvious on my part is like a war-zone for those with belief of a non-god! Grenades exploding left and right and in your midst!

Your reactions are manifestations of present-traumatic-syndrome in the "battlefield!"

Actually theyre much more like the weariness I feel after having to explain a difficult concept to a small child. It's a tiring and tedious thing to try to use either logic or reason to sway someone that lacks the basic ability to use either of those things. Thats why the vast majority of these conversations go nowhere... just like this one did.

[bloodyminded]

Cybercoma prefers the comfort of being in denial - choosing to stay "lost!" Others find the comfort of huddling with the pack, of being obtuse and blind - whatI don't see must not exist syndrome!

Huddling with the pack?

A religious person accusing atheists of "huddling with the pack"?

Then Mr Dancer decided to simply hunker down and ignore all the facts listed!

Perhaps M Dancer disagreed with your assessment of what is and isn't "fact."

Edited June 17, 2011 by bloodyminded

[DogOnPorch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdboGJqdDb4

A couple of fish had retard baby...

[GostHacked]

If you learn to keep within the context, and quit from simply cherry-picking, isolating and quoting particular statements, perhaps

*record scratch* .. saaayywhuuuuu????

[GostHacked]

A couple of fish had retard baby...

That show is absolute brilliance.

[Topaz]

To anyone who wants to answer this. Hasn't the Bible been re-written over and over again down through the ages? IF yes, then how do we know the orginal Bible and its sayings are the same?

[GostHacked]

To anyone who wants to answer this. Hasn't the Bible been re-written over and over again down through the ages? IF yes, then how do we know the orginal Bible and its sayings are the same?

Agreed.

[BubberMiley]

To anyone who wants to answer this. Hasn't the Bible been re-written over and over again down through the ages? IF yes, then how do we know the orginal Bible and its sayings are the same?

That's where the faith comes in. One must have faith that it is God's word, and read it accordingly.

And, most importantly, one must not try and use it to advance one's own sense of self-righteousness.

And one must certainly not try and misrepresent what it says when spamming internet forums.

That is the worst blasphemy of all for which God does not acquit.

[cybercoma]

Forget that it was written over and over again, it has been translated and re-translated over and over again.

Take a passage from the Bible and punch it into Google Translator. Translate it into German, then translate the German into Greek. Now translate the Greek back to English.

That should give you an idea of how reliable the Bible is.

[betsy]

Ukapologetics said:

One ought likewise to ask why it is that, despite the fact that millions of bison used to roam the prairies of North America, hardly any bison fossils are found there. Similarly, lion fossils are not found in Israel even though we know that lions once lived there.

No shortage of Bison fossils...

http://www.paleodirect.com/lm2-002.htm

http://www.fossil-treasures-of-florida.com/bison-latifrons.html

http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=2841

Here is what my article said about that:

despite the fact that millions of bison used to roam the prairies of North America, hardly any bison fossils are found there.

No shortage of lion fossils in asia either...

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Cave_Lion

Well your source indicate a conflict about this cave lion!

The cave lion is a member of the Panthera genus, which includes four large cats among its extant members: The lion (Panthera leo), the tiger (Panthera tigris), the jaguar (Panthera onca), and the leopard (Panthera pardus).

The cave lion generally is placed as a subspecies of the lion, as Panthera leo spelaea. However, some authorities—such as Sotnikova and Nikolskiy (2006), Harington (1969) and Vereshchagin (1971)—consider the cave lion as a separate species, Panthera spelaea (Goldfuss).

Your knowledge of genesis, as evidenced by your behemoth comment is patchy.

Considering the numbers of scientifically-proven facts in the Bible compared to the theory of

macro-evolution.....and, as evidenced by all the side-stepping and unsubstantiated claims by some atheist posters here, I'd say it's your side that shows patchy views and commentaries. It's no surprise!

That's what you get when you close your eyes to glaring facts you want to ignore. With blinking eyes that go twinkle-twinkle-little-stars....

.....You get patchy!

There is no declaration of a single land mass,

Then it's your knowledge of Genesis that's questionable.

and indeed, pangea predate hominids by millions of years.

So what!

Edited June 19, 2011 by betsy

[betsy]

To anyone who wants to answer this. Hasn't the Bible been re-written over and over again down through the ages? IF yes, then how do we know the orginal Bible and its sayings are the same?

Well here's my answer. So what!

Even if it's been re-written thousands of time, all these facts - and still counting - are all

scientifically-proven true! That's the point.

FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity.

FACT: The earth is round.

FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars.

FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea.

FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks

FACT: Noah’s Ark and Ship Building

FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!”

FACT: A finished creation.

FACT: The universe is deteriorating

FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning

FACT:: Existence of ocean currents

FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED!

FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE

FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle

FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE!

FACT:

EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED!”

FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

WASTE DISPOSAL

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

FOOD and DRINKING WATER SAFETY

FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health

PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE

FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth

FACT: BLOOD – THE RIVER OF LIFE

FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, One land and one ocean!

FACT: Man is superior to all other living things.

FACT: SCIENTISTS NAME and CLASSIFY CREATURES

FACT: MODERN-DAY DEADLY VIRUS COULD BE PREVENTED FROM SPREADING BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BIBLE

And that recap address MDancer's request:

Please direct me to these facts, chapter and verse cited.

As for the verses and/or substantiation(s) and/or argument(s),

you'll have to go back and read the posting of each fact. They are individually addressed.

Don't skip!

A logical debater doesn't just jump in the middle of a skirmish with nothing but his pants on!

No wonder you seem patchy!

Edited June 19, 2011 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

As for the verses and/or substantiation(s) and/or argument(s),

you'll have to go back and read the posting of each fact. They are individually addressed.

Don't skip!

God knows you didn't individually address those chapter and verse citations in those 40 pages

Internet anonymity doesn't work with god either.

And he says he doesn't acquit those who misrepresent what he says.

I'm praying for your soul.

[betsy]

FACT: NO ARCHEOLOGICAL DISCOVERY HAS CONTRADICTED A BIBLICAL REFERENCE!

“It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a Biblical reference. Scores of archaeological findings have been made which confirm in clear outline or exact detail historical statements in the Bible. And, by the same token, proper evaluation of Biblical descriptions has often led to amazing discoveries.”- Nelson Glueck

Nelson Glueck (1900–1971) was an American rabbi, academic and archaeologist. Dr Glueck served as president of Hebrew Union College from 1947 until his death, and his pioneering work in biblical archaeology resulted in the discovery of 1,500 ancient sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Glueck

Excerpt from the article:

Archaeology: The Shards of HistoryFriday, Dec. 13, 1963

As an archaeologist he leans heavily on a source that many an expert considers undependable: the Old Testament stories that to Nelson Glueck make up "the amazing historical memory of the Bible."

Bible in hand, Glueck has ranged the Holy Land off and on for 36 years. "Out on the desert," he says, "there is sometimes so much mist in the morning that you cannot travel. You have to wait for the sun to burn it off. To me, archaeology is like burning the mist off the Bible." His work, he hastens to add, is far from an effort to use archaeology to prove the existence of God. Even to try, he believes, would be to "confuse fact with faith, history with holiness, science with religion." To him, the Bible is an indispensable guide as he goes about his work of filling blank areas on the world's historical maps and bringing lost nations to vivid life.

With the Bible's help Glueck has discovered more than 1,000 ancient sites in Transjordan and 500 more in the Negev. He has won fresh understanding of the age of Abraham and set a firmer date for the Exodus; he has clarified the socio-economic history of the Judean kings and filled out man's scanty knowledge of the once-thriving kingdom of the Nabataeans. He has located the long-lost copper mines of King Solomon and accurately spotted the site of Solomon's port on the Red Sea. Most important of all, he has found in the parched Negev a promise of space for the constricted nation of Israel.

Extraordinary Book. Dr. Glueck is quick to insist that for all his accomplishment, his work touches only one aspect of archaeology's many-sided search for man's past. Until rather recently, history began with Herodotus, who wrote in Greece about 450 B.C. But great civilizations rose and fell long before the Greeks, and were forgotten except for legend.

The one great breach in the wall of silence about the ancient world is the Old Testament. This extraordinary book pulses with the record of stirring events that took place 1,500 years before Herodotus.

More....

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,875453,00.html#ixzz1PkXMax38

Note: the url is not working. To get to the posted article, click the wiki link provided below, and scroll down until you find the section, "external links." Click on "Article in Time Magazine."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelson_Glueck

Edited June 19, 2011 by betsy

[DogOnPorch]

It's been done...but oddly we aren't all praying to Apollo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Schliemann

[betsy]

It's been done...but oddly we aren't all praying to Apollo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Schliemann

Uhhh...."it's been done," what exactly?

[DogOnPorch]

Uhhh...."it's been done," what exactly?

The Iliad and the Aeneid were used to find the Trojan city site. Yet that in no way confirms the existence of Apollo and the rest of the Mt Olympus crew. The Bible is no different in this capacity...finding old ruins...but this doesn't confirm your particular mythology, either.

Edited June 20, 2011 by DogOnPorch

[betsy]

The Iliad and the Aeneid were used to find the Trojan city site. Yet that in no way confirms the existence of Apollo and the rest of the Mt Olympus crew. The Bible is no different in this capacity...finding old ruins...but this doesn't confirm your particular mythology, either.

You reason like TalkOrigin!

If a few instances of historical accuracy are so significant, then an equal claim for accuracy can be made for the Iliad and Gone with the Wind.

http://creationwiki.org/The_Bible_must_be_accurate_because_archaeology_supports_it_(Talk.Origins)

I might as well give the Creationist rebutt to TalkOrigin.

If it were only a few instances Talk Origins would have a point but there are many. The alleged problems are with popular theories and not actual archaeological evidence.

Reference: Searching for Moses

Reference: Displaced Dynasties

Reference: Archaeology and the Bible

Reference: Does archaeology support the reliability of the Bible?

Reference: Biblical Archaeology Society

http://creationwiki.org/The_Bible_must_be_accurate_because_archaeology_supports_it_(Talk.Origins)

Going back to your reply,

DOP:

The Iliad and the Aeneid were used to find the Trojan city site. Yet that in no way confirms the existence of Apollo and the rest of the Mt Olympus crew.

Who sez anything about confirmation of God or any gods anyway?

My fact says:....DOES NOT CONTRADICT!

It doesn't say, "it confirms!" Big difference!

Furthermore, just because something has not been discovered doesn't necessarily mean they don't exist!

Edited June 20, 2011 by betsy

[betsy]

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Edited June 20, 2011 by betsy

[M.Dancer]

Then it's your knowledge of Genesis that's questionable.

Feel free to back up your opinion

So what!

The bible was crafted millions and millions of years after pangea...

[M.Dancer]

As for the verses and/or substantiation(s) and/or argument(s),

you'll have to go back and read the posting of each fact. They are individually addressed.

Don't skip!

A logical debater doesn't just jump in the middle of a skirmish with nothing but his pants on!

No wonder you seem patchy!

So you are unwilling to back up your superstitions...okay.

[GostHacked]

The Iliad and the Aeneid were used to find the Trojan city site. Yet that in no way confirms the existence of Apollo and the rest of the Mt Olympus crew. The Bible is no different in this capacity...finding old ruins...but this doesn't confirm your particular mythology, either.

The Illiad was one of the hardest books to read because of the language that was used in it. Very old english mixed with latin. I never attempted the Aeneid. Homer wrote that one too i think.

Claims to be written 8th century BC. So I think, long before the modern Christian book, and if that is so, then the bible or any version of it, was written at the same time or long after the Illiad.

Edited June 20, 2011 by GostHacked

[ToadBrother]

You reason like TalkOrigin!

You didn't actually deal with his point. That ancient holy texts may contain some actual places or events is beyond question. For instance, the Hindu Vedas have been used in recent decades to get a glimpse at the Indo-Aryan branch of the Indo-Europeans who moved into Central Asia and the Indian Subcontinent. Along with ancient Zoroastrian writings, they give us at least some window on this important group of Indo-European peoples; their culture, their society, their governing structure, and even some hints at how they arrived there. But I doubt you'll find many Indo-European scholars who are going to advocate for the existence of Vishnu or any of the other members of the Hindu pantheon.

Such books have their uses, to be sure, and can give us an idea, directly or indirectly, of the people that wrote them or followed the religious practices espoused in them, but to declare them historical texts is quite another thing entirely.

Edited June 20, 2011 by ToadBrother

[M.Dancer]

I never attempted the Aeneid. Homer wrote that one too i think.

:lol:

No...it was Marge

[DogOnPorch]

:lol:

No...it was Marge

Now, now...

Here you go GH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgil

[GostHacked]

:lol:

No...it was Marge

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer

In the Western classical tradition Homer (English pronunciation: /ˈhoʊmər/; Ancient Greek: Ὅμηρος, Hómēros), is the author of the Iliad and the Odyssey, and is revered as the greatest ancient Greek epic poet. These epics are at the beginning of the Western canon of literature, and have had an enormous influence on the history of literature.

When he lived is controversial. Herodotus estimates that Homer lived 400 years before Herodotus' own time, which would place him at around 850 BC;[1] while other ancient sources claim that he lived much nearer to the supposed time of the Trojan War, in the early 12th Century BC.[2]

And thanks for the reply DoP. I do recall now learning a bit about him.