M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 It can be said by non-beliveres that everything written in the Bible are the results of mushrooms. For the numbers of facts now proven scientifically, at least it'll be beneficial to know what mushrooms they were eating those days. Have they proven how stopping the earth in its orbit didn't destroy the planet? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
betsy Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Have they proven how kangaroos swam from Turkey to Australia? From the Creationists: One accusation thrown at biblical creationists is that kangaroos could not have hopped to Australia, because there are no fossils of kangaroos on the way. But the expectation of such fossils is a presuppositional error. Such an expectation is predicated on the assumption that fossils form gradually and inevitably from animal populations. In fact, fossilization is by no means inevitable. It usually requires sudden, rapid burial. Otherwise the bones would decompose before permineralization. One ought likewise to ask why it is that, despite the fact that millions of bison used to roam the prairies of North America, hardly any bison fossils are found there. Similarly, lion fossils are not found in Israel even though we know that lions once lived there. http://www.ukapologetics.net/10/kangaroos.htm From a scientific - non-religious - point of view: Earth of the distant past was a very different planet than the one we know today. If you could travel through time to arrive at the Earth of a billion years ago, you would have a hard time navigating. A strange giant continent and a single planetary ocean would replace the familiar continents and oceans of today’s world. Yet, this is where the geologic history of Washington and the Pacific Northwest began -- on a giant continent of a billion years ago. Geologists affectionately use the term “Rodinia,” a Russian word meaning “homeland,” for this giant continent of so long ago. The continent of Rodinia was the dominant landmass of the Earth for at least 350 million years. The configuration of the lands of Rodinia is a matter of considerable debate. The east coast of present North America was probably adjacent to western South America. The west coast of North America lay next to what is today Australia and Antarctica. There are several competing ideas for the distribution of land in the giant continent, and more will surely follow. The Breakup of Rodinia The great supercontinent of Rodinia dominated the Earth for some 350 million years, a long time by any measure. But, not even supercontinents last forever. In the end, Rodinia fell victim to the Earth’s internal heat. A slow buildup of heat beneath Rodinia caused the old continent's crust to dome, stretch and weaken. Eventually, the entire continent ruptured. Violent spreading centers developed underneath the continent and began to slowly tear Rodinia apart. The original rift valley that split Rodinia was probably not unlike the modern rift between Saudi Arabia and Northeast Africa. The Supercontinent Pangaea The continental fragments dispersed during the breakup of Rodinia slowly began to come back together during the latter half of the Paleozoic Era. The intermittent episodes of subduction along the west coast of North America during this time probably record the jostling among plates as they reorganized. By the Permian Period (~300 million years ago), the supercontinent cycle had come full circle. Once again, the continents came together to form a new supercontinent called “Pangaea,” a Greek word meaning “all lands.” The Breakup of Pangaea Like its predecessor Rodinia, the giant continent of Pangaea would also fall victim to the Earth’s internal heat. About 205 million years ago, Pangaea began to rupture to form the Atlantic Ocean. The breakup began as a rift between the modern western and eastern hemispheres. The rift evolved into a spreading center that literally pushed the two hemispheres apart. http://www.washington.edu/burkemuseum/geo_history_wa/Dance%20of%20the%20Giant%20Continents.htm However, the scientific fact - one land mass, one ocean - also supports the Biblical declaration in Genesis. Edited June 16, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Have they proven how stopping the earth in its orbit didn't destroy the planet? Who? Scientists? Anyway, those are petty when you consider the numerous Biblical declarations that's been proven true by science! Irrefutable. Whereas up to now, all the different - and continuously shifting/varying - angles of macro-evolution are all being refuted, if not laughed at! By other scientists. Not to mention all the frauds, hoaxes and fabrications perpetrated in a zealous effort to prop it. If there is anything or anyone to be grilled....it ought to be these scientists and their theories! Edited June 16, 2011 by betsy Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Who? Scientists? Anyway, those are petty when you consider the numerous Biblical declarations that's been proven true by science! Irrefutable. Petty..stopping the earth is petty? Filling the ark with every creature....and then having them swim to australia is petty...okay..sure What biblical miracles have been proven? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Not to mention all the frauds, hoaxes and fabrications perpetrated in a zealous effort to prop it. Shroud of Turin...Benny Hinn....yes a long history of fraud Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
M.Dancer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 From the Creationists: One ought likewise to ask why it is that, despite the fact that millions of bison used to roam the prairies of North America, hardly any bison fossils are found there. Similarly, lion fossils are not found in Israel even though we know that lions once lived there. No shortage of Bison fossils... http://www.paleodirect.com/lm2-002.htm http://www.fossil-treasures-of-florida.com/bison-latifrons.html http://www.ohiohistorycentral.org/entry.php?rec=2841 No shortage of lion fossils in asia either... http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Cave_Lion However, the scientific fact - one land mass, one ocean - also supports the Biblical declaration in Genesis. Your knowledge of genesis, as evidenced by your behemoth comment is patchy. There is no declaration of a single land mass, and indeed, pangea predate hominids by millions of years. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Had the planet Earth stopped in its orbit, it would have nose-dived into the Sun. Period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum Edited June 16, 2011 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Had the planet Earth stopped in its orbit, it would have nose-dived into the Sun. Period. But then, I'm suspecting betsy has this mixed-up with an episode of Star Trek Next Gen involving 'Q'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
M.Dancer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Had the planet Earth stopped in its orbit, it would have nose-dived into the Sun. Period. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum The bible is filled with scientific factual errors...from genesis where the anachronistic author has Abraham using camels and the sun stopping in the sky to jesus's declaration that the mustard seed is the smallest seed. It is not to be taken literally and even as a hostorical document, it is as much so as the Illiad. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
cybercoma Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Who? Scientists? Anyway, those are petty when you consider the numerous Biblical declarations that's been proven true by science! Irrefutable. Whereas up to now, all the different - and continuously shifting/varying - angles of macro-evolution are all being refuted, if not laughed at! By other scientists. Not to mention all the frauds, hoaxes and fabrications perpetrated in a zealous effort to prop it. If there is anything or anyone to be grilled....it ought to be these scientists and their theories! So the stuff proven by science is irrefutable and all the rest is petty nonsense.That's what everyone has been trying to tell you for years. Nice to see you're coming around. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 The bible is filled with scientific factual errors...from genesis where the anachronistic author has Abraham using camels and the sun stopping in the sky to jesus's declaration that the mustard seed is the smallest seed. It is not to be taken literally and even as a hostorical document, it is as much so as the Illiad. The day we find an exoplanet with an oxygen rich atmosphere should be interesting...and it won't be that long at the rate they (exoplanets) are turning up. http://www.geek.com/articles/geek-cetera/kepler-telescope-finds-over-1000-planet-candidate-2011044/ Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Oleg Bach Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 I respond to you for entertainment purposes, only. I don't run into many religious wing-nutz that actually believe dinosaurs walked the Earth...not only all at the same time...but with fictional Biblical figures, as well. Saint George the dragon killer might have been a man that liked to hunt what was the last of the dionsaurs. Not that he was from the biblical era...but some myth is based in fact...for instance - I am from the dimention where anti matter is the base for everything...how I landed in this shit hole with people debating the long last past I will never know....Most people try to leave the past and go to the future. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Saint George the dragon killer might have been a man that liked to hunt what was the last of the dionsaurs. Not that he was from the biblical era...but some myth is based in fact...for instance - I am from the dimention where anti matter is the base for everything...how I landed in this shit hole with people debating the long last past I will never know....Most people try to leave the past and go to the future. I think I've located 'Q', in fact. Hello, Oleg. Hope you're doing well. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted June 16, 2011 Author Report Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Yes, your questions are all petty when you deliberately ignore and refuse to consider all these facts that's been listed so far....and counting! FACT: Nothing holds up Earth. It is affected by gravity. FACT: The earth is round. FACT: There is an incalculable number of stars. FACT: Mountains and trenches in the deep blue sea. FACT: Invisible atoms, the building blocks FACT: Noah’s Ark and Ship Building FACT: “Many of the great scientists of the past who founded and developed the key disciplines of science were creationists!” FACT: A finished creation. FACT: The universe is deteriorating FACT: The Universe Must Have Had a Beginning FACT:: Existence of ocean currents FACT: SCIENCE REMAINS BAFFLED! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE FACT: Hydrological Cycle or Water Cycle FACT: PROPHECIES HAVE COME TRUE! FACT: EXPANDING UNIVERSE: Science uses the word, "STRETCHING/STRETCHES/STRETCHED!” FACT: Expression - "CURVATURE OF SPACE," still related to STRETCHING UNIVERSE FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health WASTE DISPOSAL FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health FOOD and DRINKING WATER SAFETY FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE FACT: The human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements which are all found in the earth FACT: BLOOD – THE RIVER OF LIFE FACT: RODINIA and PANTHALASSA, One land and one ocean! FACT: Man is superior to all other living things. FACT: SCIENTISTS NAME and CLASSIFY CREATURES FACT: MODERN-DAY DEADLY VIRUS COULD BE PREVENTED FROM SPREADING BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BIBLE You cannot deny that some Biblical declarations were proven scientifically correct! Thousands of years after they were written. Even if there are only 5 factual declarations from it, it still trumps modern-day evolutionists who so far have not even produce one single irrefutable evidence of macro-evolution/origin. All evolutionists could do is scramble to come up with one theory after another to try to fill in the blanks! Furthermore, they've set parameters and wouldn't venture out of their box. Since they refuse to look beyond the natural.....they try to come up with anything to fit within the natural boundaries. Even when they're stumped! Even when they keep pulling their hairs over puzzles they cannot even fathom! NOT A SINGLE IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE from evolutionists.....and yet you throw petty questions to the Bible in your desperate effort to de-bunk it! Granted both sides had their share of frauds/fabrications. The questions that should be answered: which one managed to deliver some answers? Which one has gotten some things right? Which one has delivered some goods so far? You should be throwing critical questions on those theories and on those evolutionists instead! After all they're supposed to be in the business of fact-finding! Look at it this way: 2 seers predicting future events. Seer A has gotten several events come true. Seer B is making all sorts of excuses why his prediction is not coming out right. And you question Seer A for quackery??? Edited June 16, 2011 by betsy Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 (edited) Don't panic, Betsy. Just increase your font and add a "Bwa-Ha-Ha." But whatever you do, don't acknowledge that you lied about the one-land mass reference in Genesis. Gord hates it when you lie about the Bible. Edited June 16, 2011 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Oleg Bach Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 Unlawful life styles" ?????? That sounds like me. Just remember that the laws that we are stuck with are man made and usually geared to the protection of the status quo regarding wealth and property. Kick a begger and the cops will laugh after giving you a lecture . Kick a banker and you are going to do hard time. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 16, 2011 Report Posted June 16, 2011 You cannot deny that some Biblical declarations were proven scientifically correct! Thousands of years after they were written. Some? How about one? I mean, something other than,"water is wet" bibles says it, science proves it... No need for specifics, chapter and verse will do... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
betsy Posted June 17, 2011 Author Report Posted June 17, 2011 Don't panic, Betsy. Just increase your font and add a "Bwa-Ha-Ha." But whatever you do, don't acknowledge that you lied about the one-land mass reference in Genesis. Gord hates it when you lie about the Bible. Panic? For standing firmly behind my posts? If there's anyone here who's showing massive cracks in their defense of their own faith and shell-shocked panic....you need only to check out where all the hyperventillating is coming from! Where all the oddly sensitivity to trivial matters come from - including contiuous whinings about fonts and bwa-ha-has! Oddly askewed replies desperately tries to use GUILT as a weapon, by repetitively insisting someone is sinning for mis-interpreting etc..., What a pathetic ploy - looks like you're running out of ammunition! Cybercoma prefers the comfort of being in denial - choosing to stay "lost!" Others find the comfort of huddling with the pack, of being obtuse and blind - whatI don't see must not exist syndrome! Then Mr Dancer decided to simply hunker down and ignore all the facts listed! I understand that these simple statement of the simply obvious on my part is like a war-zone for those with belief of a non-god! Grenades exploding left and right and in your midst! Your reactions are manifestations of present-traumatic-syndrome in the "battlefield!" Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 Then Mr Dancer decided to simply hunker down and ignore all the facts listed! Please direct me to these facts, chapter and verse cited. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
BubberMiley Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 ... by repetitively insisting someone is sinning for mis-interpreting etc..., What a pathetic ploy - looks like you're running out of ammunition! Repetitively insisting it's a sin to misrepresent what God says? That's pathetic? They even made a commandment for that (while skipping Thou shalt not rape or keep slaves). I think it goes "Thou shalt not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name." Looks like you're done for, Betsy. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
jbg Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 Please direct me to these facts, chapter and verse cited. For some people it can be summed up in the song "Jesus is the Answer". Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
M.Dancer Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 They even made a commandment for that (while skipping Thou shalt not rape or keep slaves) I don't believe there is any biblical prohibition on keeping slaves. In the deep dark days of the creation of the bible, slavery was the norm and the alternative was slaughter (of captives won in war). WHat is advanced though is the jubilee or sabbatical year...slaves were supposed to be freed after 7 years. How keenly this was adhered to is anyone's guess. Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
jbg Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 How keenly this was adhered to is anyone's guess.That was the basis for modern bankruptcy laws, believe it or not. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
bloodyminded Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 Please direct me to these facts, chapter and verse cited. Oh, no! Don't say you weren't warned. Quote As scarce as truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the demand. --Josh Billings
Oleg Bach Posted June 17, 2011 Report Posted June 17, 2011 Oh, no! Don't say you weren't warned. To bad I burned my Harpers Biblical dictionary..................actually - it was very useful in stripping down common language....the biblical evolution of the Satan figure is very interesting.......seeing it is man kind and religion that keep this long lost and returned entity alive. Quote
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