betsy Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) who on Noah's ark had AIDS? Who had herpes? Who had Ebola? Or one of any number of diseases? ...and speaking of Ebola. Ebola Prevention When it comes to Ebola, prevention involves avoiding direct contact with the body fluid of infected people. Also, it's important to avoid direct contact with the body of an Ebola victim who has died. For healthcare workers in Africa, who are most likely to encounter cases of Ebola, prevention focuses on being able to recognize cases of the disease when they appear, as well as using barrier isolation techniques to avoid direct contact with infected people. http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-prevention.html The instructions for prevention given by science closely mirrors the instructions given in the Bible. prevention involves avoiding direct contact with the body fluid of infected people. FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS Also, it's important to avoid direct contact with the body of an Ebola victim who has died. FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS For healthcare workers in Africa, who are most likely to encounter cases of Ebola, prevention focuses on being able to recognize cases of the disease when they appear, as well as using barrier isolation techniques to avoid direct contact with infected people. FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION For details of Biblical declarations. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18914&st=150 Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) FACT: MODERN-DAY DEADLY VIRUS COULD BE PREVENTED FROM SPREADING BY FOLLOWING THE INSTRUCTIONS IN THE BIBLE. Based on what we've touched, it's only fitting to make this an official fact! There are several instructions related to public health that are given in the Bible, three of which easily address some of the deadliest virus and diseases we have today. FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health WASTE DISPOSAL FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health FOOD and DRINKING WATER SAFETY FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health FACT: PROMISCUITY, UNLAWFUL LIFESTYLES and DISEASE http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18914&st=150 Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) deleted. double. Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy Quote
Oleg Bach Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Marriage is supposed to be about the great royal bond of loyalty - Yet the flesh of my flesh and bone of my bone - would betray me if a better offer came up...it's the modern trend - honour and loyalty are almost gone. If your average suburban wife finds out that the husband has no great future finacially - he most likely if the woman is young be jettisoned and pilaged for the little he has in the courts. People do not get it - if a man or woman is more loyal to a parent or too his offspring than his spouse - the kids grow up to be rats....the husband is the property of the wife and vice versa - if this is not so then you may as well call all the human monkey people to pile on and have their way. Quote
treehugger Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 The Bible is the best-selling book of all time. It is also the most scrutinized book that’s ever written. Scrutiny comes not only from Christians cementing their faith or skeptics seeking truth, but most intense scrutiny comes from those with hostile intentions. This thread is created with the purpose of showing skeptics that the Bible is indeed The Word of God, to promote an open-minded interest in reading and study of the Bible, and to help strengthen the Christian faith in the face of relentless hostility and attacks. But first, here is a brief description of the Bible. Excerpt from the transcript of “ Word Of God” as delivered by Charles Price: http://www.livingtruth.ca/Res-TRAN.asp There is no doubt that Science does not contradict, but rather supports the Bible. Several statements from The Bible – a lot of them describing or attributing to creation – have become scientific facts. I. myself am learning as I go along researching about these. As I’ve stated elsewhere in this forum the first 10 words of Genesis speak of time, space and matter – actually the universe is scientifically expressed in this terms: time, space, matter, power and motion. Genesis 1(New International Version) The Beginning 1 In the beginning (time) God created (power)the heavens (space) and the earth (matter). 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering (motion) over the waters. Coincidence, a skeptic might say. Is it? It's about time the true meaning of words were corrected. If the heads of churches spoke properly about the real meanings the churches today wouldn't be closing down. Mary the virgin Mary. maiden means a young woman. Everything has been taken out of context. Quote
treehugger Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 The Bible is the best-selling book of all time. It is also the most scrutinized book that’s ever written. Scrutiny comes not only from Christians cementing their faith or skeptics seeking truth, but most intense scrutiny comes from those with hostile intentions. This thread is created with the purpose of showing skeptics that the Bible is indeed The Word of God, to promote an open-minded interest in reading and study of the Bible, and to help strengthen the Christian faith in the face of relentless hostility and attacks. But first, here is a brief description of the Bible. Excerpt from the transcript of “ Word Of God” as delivered by Charles Price: http://www.livingtruth.ca/Res-TRAN.asp There is no doubt that Science does not contradict, but rather supports the Bible. Several statements from The Bible – a lot of them describing or attributing to creation – have become scientific facts. I. myself am learning as I go along researching about these. As I’ve stated elsewhere in this forum the first 10 words of Genesis speak of time, space and matter – actually the universe is scientifically expressed in this terms: time, space, matter, power and motion. Genesis 1(New International Version) The Beginning 1 In the beginning (time) God created (power)the heavens (space) and the earth (matter). 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering (motion) over the waters. Coincidence, a skeptic might say. Is it? It's about time the true meaning of words were corrected. If the heads of churches spoke properly about the real meanings the churches today wouldn't be closing down. Mary the virgin Mary. maiden means a young woman. Everything has been taken out of context. Quote
betsy Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) It's about time the true meaning of words were corrected. Like what words? If the heads of churches spoke properly about the real meanings the churches today wouldn't be closing down. Like what real meanings of what? Be specific. Mary the virgin Mary. maiden means a young woman. Everything has been taken out of context. Maiden means a young woman, yes I understand that. What has that got to do with the Virgin Mary? Why do you say it's taken out of context? EVERYTHING? Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Yes...but I was countering your point that intelligence is the best factor for survival. Now you're saying that self-destruction would be proof of that? The contradiction is pretty clear, isn't it? I was thinking of Darwin. In the long history of humankind (and animal kind too), those who learned to collaborate and improvised most effectively have prevailed. - Charles Darwin Don't you agree with him? Intelligence is having the general mental capability to question and understand, to reason and plan, to form ideas, think abstractly and make decisions, to recognize, acquire information and solve problems, to learn and react accordingly, to modify and adapt. With that being said, having intelligence doesn't necessarily mean no room for mistakes or no errors in judgements. If we self-destruct, it wouldn't be because of intelligence! It could be by sheer folly, error/miscalculation, negligence or by a fluke, or by something else. A plane that crashed didn't mean the pilot did not have any intelligence! Um, yes. The point is that they've been around longer. Much longer. Or are you disputing that scientific fact, too? The megalodon shark went extinct. Apparently they've gone through 5 major extinctions. Perhaps it's due to intelligence that they managed to bounce back? Sharks have, for many decades, been considered to be rather unintelligent; built and designed solely for hunting. Over recent years, though, scientists have begun to invest more interest in the lives and behaviour of these fearsome fish. As a result, it has been noted that, not only do sharks display a measure of intelligence, but they have frequently been seen expressing curiosity and even problem-solving skills http://www.sharks.org.za/intelligence.html I appreciate that...but if you're referring to DoP, I'm afraid to tell you that I rather admire the logic he's employed in this thread. Nope, I wasn't referring to DOP. Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 13, 2011 Author Report Posted June 13, 2011 (edited) Head #1: She buggered off. Head #2: So she has. She's scarpered! Minstrel: [singing] Brave Sir Betsy ran away. Bravely ran away, away. When danger reared its ugly head, she bravely turned her tail and fled. Now that your buddy, Anchor-Man, kinda disappeared from the radar screen....all quiet from the corner of Mesopotamia-Man too....and, Proven-Man must be dozing off..... We'll be barroom buddies, yet. If we stick to beer, we'll never even get in a fight. ...you're trying to entice and lure this guy (don't know what name-of-endearment to give him yet), to join forces with, huh? Well you gotta do what you gotta do. If it'll take a pack (and a 6-pack too) to muster some courage....go for it, Dino-Cuckoo Man! Edited June 13, 2011 by betsy Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 I respond to you for entertainment purposes, only. I don't run into many religious wing-nutz that actually believe dinosaurs walked the Earth...not only all at the same time...but with fictional Biblical figures, as well. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 I respond to you for entertainment purposes, only. I don't run into many religious wing-nutz that actually believe dinosaurs walked the Earth...not only all at the same time...but with fictional Biblical figures, as well. Stockwell Day? Or was that Barney? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted June 13, 2011 Report Posted June 13, 2011 Stockwell Day? Or was that Barney? Ask betsy. Anything is possible. While you might or might not believe dinosaurs walked the planet with humans, I have yet to see you state it in print. She stated at some point in this topic that there's apparently evidence that humans and dinosaurs lived together...to which I responded... The Flintstones? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
betsy Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) I respond to you for entertainment purposes, only. I don't run into many religious wing-nutz that actually believe dinosaurs walked the Earth...not only all at the same time...but with fictional Biblical figures, as well. Well this is one religious wing-nut that doesn't fit the description you provided. I'd like to see who that poster is....I must've missed his/her post. He/she could be my ally - although we'll perhaps settle for wine. Health benefit, you know....clued-in by the Bible! Kindly point me to him/her? Anyways, I myself, respond to you - and the other x-men mentioned as well - for entertainment purposes, only. The names that's been given to you all by moi should attest to that, since those names were derived from your own statements - empirical evidences - that show they - those eprsonal opinions - aren't worth squat, seriousness-wise. This has a satirical ring to it too, you know....since most, if not all x-men mentioned were all vehemently critical (that is an understatement) about the way I use cut-and-paste to back up/substantiate my claims. All waging their own little schemes to stop me from using reputable sources. One even called me a "thief!" Can you believe that? Oh personal attacks were used...which is understandable since it only shows the article about the psychological/personality profile of a lot of atheist men is correct! Check it out in the topic, Video Debates and Interviews! One of the x-men said, with all the air of authority, I don't fully understand scientific methodology (when really unless you're a scientist, who does?)....while another called me a liar too! In a formulaic movie, this is the comic relief part....or the musical interlude. And I'm glad you specifically categorized this as "entertainment," for indeed it is irresponsible to treat the personal opinions, negligently thrown about by the x-men, any other way. If all garbage opinion are deceitfully passed off as facts....there goes the credibility of the whole board! I think, we all have the responsibility to help uphold the Board's standards. We should discourage unsubstantiated claims! Wow, this gives me an idea....will have to plan for it though! And just to be clear, this particular segment was initiated by you. Just like the Wendysaurus segment too. I was just following your lead. Edited June 14, 2011 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted June 14, 2011 Author Report Posted June 14, 2011 Ask betsy. Anything is possible. While you might or might not believe dinosaurs walked the planet with humans, I have yet to see you state it in print. She stated at some point in this topic that there's apparently evidence that humans and dinosaurs lived together...to which I responded... Yes, I've provided some articles that point to that - men and dinosaurs co-existing. That possibility isn't dead! If I'm not mistaken (perhaps Jbg can clarify if this is true or not), the Jewish Bible (Genesis) has a segment that suggests Behemoths were placed by God in another part of Eden, separated from humans. It seems to suggest that they indeed co-existed. Mind you, if the Paluxy tracks - human and dinosaur footprints - are indeed genuine, and the petroglyphs on rocks depicting the drawings of a dinosaur are genuine, and the artifacts of clay mouldings somewhere in Thailand (?) also depicting the shape of a dinosaur are also genuine, well in that case it is true! Whether it's old earth, or young earth....it doesn't make any difference to me. It does not alter the truth about creation for me. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 14, 2011 Report Posted June 14, 2011 viruses and bacteria have achieved way more. Take note that those were not specified in the list given by Genesis. . So that's another indirect fact for you! Thank you for the input. There was another question given by one other poster and my reply will address you both. No one! Why did God have that flood? Because of man's sinful ways! Remember why He did away with Sodom and Gomorrha too. Because of man's sinful ways. Sexual depravity and promiscuity were clearly depicted in both those two instances. When did all these serious viruses and bacteria became so rampant? Not too long ago! Most, if not all of these diseases are transmitted through sexual acts. It's clearly said in the Bible, the consequences for adultery and promiscuity. Fidelity and un-promiscious sexual activity is very much stressed in the New Testament. In fact, Christ said if you cannot control your sexual needs, it is better that you marry! By the looks of it, the more deprave we become, the deadlier the outcome. Right now we place so much hope on condoms instead of fidelity in marriage and unpromiscious lifestyle. I'll bet somewhere down the road.....those condoms will not do us any good! Viruses and bacteria are ADAPTING! They're getting stronger. Resistant! The only remedy is following the instructions given by God. If we assume that we are His creation.....therefore we must assume He knows what's good and what's bad for us! Furthermore, not only did the Bible emphasized on the importance of fidelity, abstinence and/or un-promiscious lifestyle, it also addressed the importance of avoiding blood! Acts 15:19-21 It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. For Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath. We all know that several viruses can be spread by blood. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus ...another furthermore.... Not only did the Bible warned us against adultery/promiscuity, and blood.....God warned us too about bodily fluids and bodily discharges! ...and speaking of Ebola. http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-prevention.html The instructions for prevention given by science closely mirrors the instructions given in the Bible. FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health WOUND, SKIN and DISCHARGE PRECAUTIONS FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health CORPSES and BURIAL PRECAUTIONS FACT: Sanitary Practices, Disease Prevention and Public Health DIAGNOSIS and ISOLATION For details of Biblical declarations. http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=18914&st=150 I'm not really sure what any of that has to do with what I said, but thanks for sharing your delusions with the audience. Quote
guyser Posted June 14, 2011 Report Posted June 14, 2011 (edited) Yes, I've provided some articles that point to that - men and dinosaurs co-existing. That possibility isn't dead! Like Elvis lives in Moose Jaw,the Moon is made of Swis cheese.....those possibilities arent dead! If I'm not mistakenSo far it isnt looking good. (perhaps Jbg can clarify if this is true or not), the Jewish Bible (Genesis) has a segment that suggests Behemoths were placed by God in another part of Eden, separated from humans. It seems to suggest that they indeed co-existed. But the earth is 6000 yrs old and dinosaurs are in the millions. Hmm......yup, still mistaken. Mind you, if the Paluxy tracks - human and dinosaur footprints - are indeed genuine, and the petroglyphs on rocks depicting the drawings of a dinosaur are genuine, and the artifacts of clay mouldings somewhere in Thailand (?) also depicting the shape of a dinosaur are also genuine, well in that case it is true! Drawings of a lizard a man once saw would resemble a dinosaur. Clay moldings of a blue whale/monitor lizard/elephant would resemble a dinosaur. Doesnt prove a damn thing. Whether it's old earth, or young earth....it doesn't make any difference to me. It does not alter the truth about creation for me. Ah, yeah, once you throw facts out of the equation anything can be believed. Especially on Sundays Edited June 14, 2011 by guyser Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 14, 2011 Report Posted June 14, 2011 If I'm not mistaken (perhaps Jbg can clarify if this is true or not), the Jewish Bible (Genesis) has a segment that suggests Behemoths were placed by God in another part of Eden, separated from humans. It seems to suggest that they indeed co-existed. Nope....a thousand years after the proto genesis story was first told...behemoth is first found in Job 15 Behold now the behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle. 16 Behold now his strength is in his loins and his power is in the navel of his belly. 17 His tail hardens like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together. 18 His limbs are as strong as copper, his bones as a load of iron. 19 His is the first of God's ways; [only] his Maker can draw His sword [against him]. 20 For the mountains bear food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there. 21 Does he lie under the shadows, in the cover of the reeds and the swamp? 22 Do the shadows cover him as his shadow? Do the willows of the brook surround him? 23 Behold, he plunders the river, and [he] does not harden; he trusts that he will draw the Jordan into his mouth. 24 With His eyes He will take him; with snares He will puncture his nostrils. Croc? Hippo? A product of good mushrooms? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
BubberMiley Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 Whether it's old earth, or young earth....it doesn't make any difference to me. It does not alter the truth about creation for me. Whether it's an evolutionary earth or not, it doesn't make any difference to me. I'm loyal to the creator no matter what. I wonder what the creator thinks of those who don't show such loyalty. Smite them, I say! Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
betsy Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 I'm not really sure what any of that has to do with what I said, but thanks for sharing your delusions with the audience. Why am I not surprised about that admission from you? If you learn to keep within the context, and quit from simply cherry-picking, isolating and quoting particular statements, perhaps you won't be so lost. Go back and read how and why viruses was brought up! Sorry, that's all the help I can give you....you've got to do the rest. Quote
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 I wonder what the creator thinks of those who don't show such loyalty. Smite them, I say! All current evidence suggests divine ambivalence... Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
betsy Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 Like Elvis lives in Moose Jaw,the Moon is made of Swis cheese.....those possibilities arent dead! The death of Elvis has been proven! The moon is not made of Swiss Cheese, that's been proven! Proven by s c i e n c e! With your reasoning, you're also saying the earth is flat....that possibility is not dead? You're still questioning all the things that science had already irrefutably proven? You're too hard to convince. Emphasis on the word IRREFUTABLY, meaning it's well accepted by everybody! Nothing to refute or prove it wrong! Well, the theory that dinosaurs and humans did not co-exist is still being actively refuted by some who are also in the science field! There's accusations of falsifications and miscalculations from BOTH sides of the camp! There is no conclusion! Therefore, the possibility is still there - for both! Quote
betsy Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 Whether it's an evolutionary earth or not, it doesn't make any difference to me. I'm loyal to the creator no matter what. I wonder what the creator thinks of those who don't show such loyalty. Smite them, I say! To each his own. At least you see the logic in a Created universe! Quote
betsy Posted June 15, 2011 Author Report Posted June 15, 2011 Nope....a thousand years after the proto genesis story was first told...behemoth is first found in Job 15 Behold now the behemoth that I have made with you; he eats grass like cattle. 16 Behold now his strength is in his loins and his power is in the navel of his belly. 17 His tail hardens like a cedar; the sinews of his thighs are knit together. 18 His limbs are as strong as copper, his bones as a load of iron. 19 His is the first of God's ways; [only] his Maker can draw His sword [against him]. 20 For the mountains bear food for him, and all the beasts of the field play there. 21 Does he lie under the shadows, in the cover of the reeds and the swamp? 22 Do the shadows cover him as his shadow? Do the willows of the brook surround him? 23 Behold, he plunders the river, and [he] does not harden; he trusts that he will draw the Jordan into his mouth. 24 With His eyes He will take him; with snares He will puncture his nostrils. Croc? Hippo? A product of good mushrooms? It can be said by non-beliveres that everything written in the Bible are the results of mushrooms. For the numbers of facts now proven scientifically, at least it'll be beneficial to know what mushrooms they were eating those days. Quote
BubberMiley Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 To each his own. Not according to my creator, who is the only true and real god. He says "to all, my way." Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
M.Dancer Posted June 15, 2011 Report Posted June 15, 2011 It can be said by non-beliveres that everything written in the Bible are the results of mushrooms. For the numbers of facts now proven scientifically, at least it'll be beneficial to know what mushrooms they were eating those days. Have they proven how kangaroos swam from Turkey to Australia? Quote RIGHT of SOME, LEFT of OTHERS If it is a choice between them and us, I choose us
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