CBC in trouble?

[PIK]

By showing the numbers early hoping to scare the 905 and 416 into voting liberal thinking harper was on the way.

[fellowtraveller]

Pete Mansbridge was chirpy and cheerful early when the NDP doing well, he got decidely somber and grumpy when it became apparent the CPC was headed to victory. The other networks callled a CPC govt early, the CBC lagged in declaring both victory and a majority. They were hoping against hope for a miracle.

They should worry, they produce an inferior product for far too much money.

[Shwa]

They should worry, they produce an inferior product for far too much money.

CBC Ratings for January 10-16, 2011

Plenty of CBC shows in the top 10 for that week. Of course if you prefer the high intellectual and superior product like 'Cougar Town' or 'The Biggest Loser' maybe you have a point. Or perhaps you are a fan of 'Glee?' Didn't do so well that week.

[ToadBrother]

Pete Mansbridge was chirpy and cheerful early when the NDP doing well, he got decidely somber and grumpy when it became apparent the CPC was headed to victory. The other networks callled a CPC govt early, the CBC lagged in declaring both victory and a majority. They were hoping against hope for a miracle.

They should worry, they produce an inferior product for far too much money.

At least they didn't have Pamela Wallin speaking about Harper like it was the second coming of Christ. I wish CTV had just dumped her over the edge. She was always annoying, but now she's full throttle obnoxious.

[Topaz]

At least they didn't have Pamela Wallin speaking about Harper like it was the second coming of Christ. I wish CTV had just dumped her over the edge. She was always annoying, but now she's full throttle obnoxious.

I totally agree. Since becoming a senator, she's not the same person she was in the past, BUT look at this way, HArper is going to have Elizabeth May, screaming in his ear for the next years !!! YES!!!!!

[noahbody]

Pete Mansbridge was chirpy and cheerful early when the NDP doing well, he got decidely somber and grumpy when it became apparent the CPC was headed to victory.

I really can't imagine Mansbridge hoping for an NDP government. I wouldn't be surprised if he voted blue.

[regroup]

At least they didn't have Pamela Wallin speaking about Harper like it was the second coming of Christ. I wish CTV had just dumped her over the edge. She was always annoying, but now she's full throttle obnoxious.

Wallin and CTV can speak of Harper in any way they see fit and that their sponsors/viewers will tolerate. The CBC operates with large subsidisation from the public purse and we have every right to expect, even demand, that they are entirely without ANY form of bias.

If the CBC are unwilling or unable to be rigorously objective in their reporting of Canadian politics, they should be shut down. Or at a minimum, their News Service should be entirely silenced during any election campaigns,

[Shwa]

Wallin and CTV can speak of Harper in any way they see fit and that their sponsors/viewers will tolerate. The CBC operates with large subsidisation from the public purse and we have every right to expect, even demand, that they are entirely without ANY form of bias.

If the CBC are unwilling or unable to be rigorously objective in their reporting of Canadian politics, they should be shut down. Or at a minimum, their News Service should be entirely silenced during any election campaigns,

OK, so now prove that the CBC is not "objective" in their "reporting of Canadian politics."

Go ahead, we'll wait while you try and dig stuff up.

[ToadBrother]

Wallin and CTV can speak of Harper in any way they see fit and that their sponsors/viewers will tolerate. The CBC operates with large subsidisation from the public purse and we have every right to expect, even demand, that they are entirely without ANY form of bias.

I'm not complaining about CTV's coverage in general. Craig Oliver and Don Martin were, as always, insightful and engaging.

Wallin, on the other hand, was just awful. As time goes by, the less I like it when journalists go into politics. It's like Luke Skywalker going to the Dark Side.

If the CBC are unwilling or unable to be rigorously objective in their reporting of Canadian politics, they should be shut down. Or at a minimum, their News Service should be entirely silenced during any election campaigns,

I didn't watch CBC. I really can't imagine Mansbridge being that keen on the Liberals, however.

[dlkenny]

OK, so now prove that the CBC is not "objective" in their "reporting of Canadian politics."

Go ahead, we'll wait while you try and dig stuff up.

I listened to CBC radio one last night because I was on the road. During the talk after the election the term "they" was the term used when referring to the Conservative party and "Canadians" was used when referring to the Liberal party. They explicitly said several times, after Harper had more than 60 seats that they "were not in a position to declare a Conservative majority" and claimed that the vote was too close to call. Somehow the CBC sees the Conservative party as not Canadian. They talked about the defeat of the liberal party being a defeat for the canadian people, that the absense of the liberal party would lead to right/left polarization and US style politics. The commentators were clearly upset, the tone of the program had a very somber tone, and one commentator in particular had a quivering voice and had trouble composing her speech.

There is no question in my mind that the CBC has a very strong liberal base. They call themselves a "Canadian" broadcaster but somehow they equate "Liberal" with "Canadian" and they carry the opinion that people who don't vote liberal somehow don't hold Canadian values.

[WIP]

I listened to CBC radio one last night because I was on the road. During the talk after the election the term "they" was the term used when referring to the Conservative party and "Canadians" was used when referring to the Liberal party. They explicitly said several times, after Harper had more than 60 seats that they "were not in a position to declare a Conservative majority" and claimed that the vote was too close to call. Somehow the CBC sees the Conservative party as not Canadian. They talked about the defeat of the liberal party being a defeat for the canadian people, that the absense of the liberal party would lead to right/left polarization and US style politics. The commentators were clearly upset, the tone of the program had a very somber tone, and one commentator in particular had a quivering voice and had trouble composing her speech.

There is no question in my mind that the CBC has a very strong liberal base. They call themselves a "Canadian" broadcaster but somehow they equate "Liberal" with "Canadian" and they carry the opinion that people who don't vote liberal somehow don't hold Canadian values.

Now that all of you conservatives have your own source of carefully screened news propaganda to watch every night, there should be no reason to complain about CBC's bland, expansive liberalism. Nevertheless, I know that conservatives like Harper, are never satisfied with half-measures...so I expect that, now that Harper has the dictatorial power of a majority government, one of his chief objectives will be to do to public broadcasting what his Republican idols have done to U.S. public broadcasting.

Regardless of the CBC's personal stake in the Liberal Party, the majority of credible political analysts also agree that the collapse of Canada's centrist party is a sign that the political polarization that Harper and rightwing conservatives have created, is leading us towards a sharply divided political system, where you're either on one side or the other, and there is no room for anyone in the middle. Harper's first goal was to destroy the Liberal Party, and there's no doubt that destroying non-corporate controlled media will be the next step.

[RNG]

Now that all of you conservatives have your own source of carefully screened news propaganda to watch every night, there should be no reason to complain about CBC's bland, expansive liberalism. Nevertheless, I know that conservatives like Harper, are never satisfied with half-measures...so I expect that, now that Harper has the dictatorial power of a majority government, one of his chief objectives will be to do to public broadcasting what his Republican idols have done to U.S. public broadcasting.

Regardless of the CBC's personal stake in the Liberal Party, the majority of credible political analysts also agree that the collapse of Canada's centrist party is a sign that the political polarization that Harper and rightwing conservatives have created, is leading us towards a sharply divided political system, where you're either on one side or the other, and there is no room for anyone in the middle. Harper's first goal was to destroy the Liberal Party, and there's no doubt that destroying non-corporate controlled media will be the next step.

You could replace Consevative with NDP and Harper with Layton in the above and it would be as correct.

Layton caused the left-right split.

[WIP]

You could replace Consevative with NDP and Harper with Layton in the above and it would be as correct.

Layton caused the left-right split.

When Stephan Dion threatened to dispose of the Harper Government by forming a three party coalition, it was primarily over Harper's plan to scrap public campaign financing. The NDP has always wanted to do something similar to what happened decades ago in England, when the Labour Party pushed out the old Liberal Party; but the NDP was no where strong enough to destroy the Liberal Party themselves. Harper is the one who has figured out how to do it, and turn Canada into what will end up as a two party duopoly.

I'm not a Liberal Party supporter, and I have long been sick of their capacity to move across the political spectrum from left to right. Nevertheless, the old boring days of Liberal vs. Progressive Conservative -- where the two parties would frequently overlap and even outflank each other were the reasons why Canadian politics never got as polarized and nasty as American politics became over the last 40 years....now we're heading down that road too.

[RNG]

When Stephan Dion threatened to dispose of the Harper Government by forming a three party coalition, it was primarily over Harper's plan to scrap public campaign financing. The NDP has always wanted to do something similar to what happened decades ago in England, when the Labour Party pushed out the old Liberal Party; but the NDP was no where strong enough to destroy the Liberal Party themselves. Harper is the one who has figured out how to do it, and turn Canada into what will end up as a two party duopoly.

I'm not a Liberal Party supporter, and I have long been sick of their capacity to move across the political spectrum from left to right. Nevertheless, the old boring days of Liberal vs. Progressive Conservative -- where the two parties would frequently overlap and even outflank each other were the reasons why Canadian politics never got as polarized and nasty as American politics became over the last 40 years....now we're heading down that road too.

Based on the insult hurling I see on this forum, we're already there.

[dlkenny]

When Stephan Dion threatened to dispose of the Harper Government by forming a three party coalition, it was primarily over Harper's plan to scrap public campaign financing. The NDP has always wanted to do something similar to what happened decades ago in England, when the Labour Party pushed out the old Liberal Party; but the NDP was no where strong enough to destroy the Liberal Party themselves. Harper is the one who has figured out how to do it, and turn Canada into what will end up as a two party duopoly.

I'm not a Liberal Party supporter, and I have long been sick of their capacity to move across the political spectrum from left to right. Nevertheless, the old boring days of Liberal vs. Progressive Conservative -- where the two parties would frequently overlap and even outflank each other were the reasons why Canadian politics never got as polarized and nasty as American politics became over the last 40 years....now we're heading down that road too.

I don't want to see it become nasty. It's a good thing to have someone with a majority government to make progress. It would also be wise for Mr. Harper to take a good look at what happened in Quebec. Jack Layton clearly struck a chord with Quebecers and it would be very prudent for Harper to listen to the message that was sent there. I think the Conservatives do have some policy issues to get passed but I think it needs to be a balanced approach.

[Battletoads]

I encourage him to, The more he shows his real side the less likely it is he'll get reelected.

[Tilter]

I totally agree. Since becoming a senator, she's not the same person she was in the past, BUT look at this way, HArper is going to have Elizabeth May, screaming in his ear for the next years !!! YES!!!!!

He'll see her once or maybe twice. She has much pull as an outcast like the crying lady who they fired.

Gee one seat this election---- why, they could even double that next election--- that'd give them 2 X 1 --- oh yeah--- 2 a veritable powerhouse

[WWWTT]

Wallin and CTV can speak of Harper in any way they see fit and that their sponsors/viewers will tolerate. The CBC operates with large subsidisation from the public purse and we have every right to expect, even demand, that they are entirely without ANY form of bias.

If the CBC are unwilling or unable to be rigorously objective in their reporting of Canadian politics, they should be shut down. Or at a minimum, their News Service should be entirely silenced during any election campaigns,

Here here.

And start with canning that stupid right wing show dragons den and canning kevin oleary

Man that has to be the most freakin right wing anti social community crap I have seen in my life.

I wouldn't freakin shed a tear to see those gone and it couldn't come soon enough

WWWTT

[WWWTT]

At least they didn't have Pamela Wallin speaking about Harper like it was the second coming of Christ. I wish CTV had just dumped her over the edge. She was always annoying, but now she's full throttle obnoxious.

Thank God I missed that!

Ohhh it gives me shivers just thinking of her make-up caked over face preaching to people as if we were peasants and how we should be grateful that we are blessed with Harper-Ohhhh God no!

WWWTT

[blueblood]

Here here.

And start with canning that stupid right wing show dragons den and canning kevin oleary

Man that has to be the most freakin right wing anti social community crap I have seen in my life.

I wouldn't freakin shed a tear to see those gone and it couldn't come soon enough

WWWTT

What you have a hard time dealing with reality and how the world works. Thank goodness canadians in 166 ridings do. :lol:

To quote uncle kevin "I hate being right all the time, its such a burden!"

[WWWTT]

When Stephan Dion threatened to dispose of the Harper Government by forming a three party coalition, it was primarily over Harper's plan to scrap public campaign financing. The NDP has always wanted to do something similar to what happened decades ago in England, when the Labour Party pushed out the old Liberal Party; but the NDP was no where strong enough to destroy the Liberal Party themselves. Harper is the one who has figured out how to do it, and turn Canada into what will end up as a two party duopoly.

I'm not a Liberal Party supporter, and I have long been sick of their capacity to move across the political spectrum from left to right. Nevertheless, the old boring days of Liberal vs. Progressive Conservative -- where the two parties would frequently overlap and even outflank each other were the reasons why Canadian politics never got as polarized and nasty as American politics became over the last 40 years....now we're heading down that road too.

Your a good read man

Keep the work coming

WWWTT

[TTM]

Wallin and CTV can speak of Harper in any way they see fit and that their sponsors/viewers will tolerate. The CBC operates with large subsidisation from the public purse and we have every right to expect, even demand, that they are entirely without ANY form of bias.

If the CBC are unwilling or unable to be rigorously objective in their reporting of Canadian politics, they should be shut down. Or at a minimum, their News Service should be entirely silenced during any election campaigns,

Completely unbiased reporting, like any search for perfection is unattainable.

I wonder how much of the bias you hear comes not from the fact that the reporting is left of center, but from the fact that you are right of center?

Assuming the CBC is biased left, I could argue that bias performs a vital service. I can only speak to my local situation, but if CBC is biased left, then than means the remaining Canadian TV stations are biased right, and all the major local talk radio stations and newspapers are biased right. Without CBC, I'm left with nothing but a wall of right wing media. I will have no choice but to lurk on political forums complaining about how the right-wing MSM is out to distort the political discourse in the country. I will make sure to use lots of ALLCAPS and exclaimations!!!!!

Edited May 4, 2011 by TTM

[WWWTT]

What you have a hard time dealing with reality and how the world works. Thank goodness canadians in 166 ridings do. :lol:

To quote uncle kevin "I hate being right all the time, its such a burden!"

Ya what about that other 102 ridings!

Kevin oleary is only around to amuse harper and keep the funding around.Same goes for Dumb cherry!

WWWTT

[kimmy]

By showing the numbers early hoping to scare the 905 and 416 into voting liberal thinking harper was on the way.

That's much more interesting than rehashing the "left wing media" meme for the 200th time.

Story here...

However, it appeared the national broadcaster was in breach of the ban for several minutes, just after 9 p.m. ET.

After several segments discussing results from the East Coast, the network switched to a screen that said it was having technical difficulties.

"At approximately 9 p.m. ET, CBC experienced a technical error which resulted in early election results from Eastern Canada being broadcast on CBC News Network," the network said in an emailed statement. "The error was resolved within several minutes and normally scheduled programming resumed."

Elections Canada spokeswoman Diane Benson said broadcasters whose signals are limited to a part of the country where the polls have closed are able to broadcast to that part of the country — so long as the signal does not go into another part of the country where polls are still open.

When asked what sort of sanction the CBC might face for broadcasting Atlantic Canada results on its all-news station while polls remained open in other parts of the country, Benson replied: "I don't have that information."

One life lesson I usually keep in mind is to not attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. I wouldn't assume some grand scheme by the CBC to influence the election.

Still, this just adds to the controversy that was first raised by the twitter/facebook threats made by Elections Canada. Why doesn't Elections Canada solve the problem by keeping the results secret until the polls close everywhere?

-k

[RNG]

That's much more interesting than rehashing the "left wing media" meme for the 200th time.

Story here...

One life lesson I usually keep in mind is to not attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence. I wouldn't assume some grand scheme by the CBC to influence the election.

Still, this just adds to the controversy that was first raised by the twitter/facebook threats made by Elections Canada. Why doesn't Elections Canada solve the problem by keeping the results secret until the polls close everywhere?

-k

The all news radio station here in Vancouver had a story that the Twitterers screwed Elections Canada by adopting a code. Like I just bought no apples (Green), twelve oranges(NDP), seven strawberries and 14 blueberries. By now you can figure it out for yourself. How would that one work out in court if the feds decided to play hardball?