Questioning Immigration Policy

betsy · April 23, 2011

May I ask you where these people are going to work when I can barely even find a job for myself? Do I need to remind you of our unemployment rate?

No other country lets in 'young educated' people either.

And no offense to anyone and I know this is in bad taste, but often these 'educated young immigrants' are people I always end up working with. They are people with extremely low work ethic, basic English comprehension, extremely poor work performance (mostly due to lack of 'iq'.. sorry just being honest), and they are simply not 'bright' people in the workplace mots of the time. They usually spend their time on personal calls speaking their foreign tongues on the phone in front of the whole office p*ssing everyone off. They use every religious and family excuse to get out of work, leave work at 3:30 each day. I don't expect any of you to know this because most here don't work at all or don't work in the private sector with immigrants but I *WISH* some of you guys can LIVE WHERE I LIVE. JUST COME HERE AND WORK WHERE I DO AND SEE WHAT I GO THROUGH EVERY DAY IN THIS HOLE.

My neighbors house just sold for $625,000 so don't anyone dare try to call me out on my credentials and the fact that I am a professional in the private sector work place. We pay taxes. A LOT of them. A lot of here on the forum DON'T. So *I* suffer the most here via immigration.

But most importantly, we LIVE WITH IMMIGRANTS. WE WORK WITH THE IMMIGRANTS. For me this is not an abstract thing in the news and TV. It's a reality for me like today having to slow down on a green light for a HUGE pack of terrorist looking Pakistani's in rags walking in the middle of the street ignoring our rules and laws.

I'm SICK AND TIRED of having to travel out to a neighboring city to do shopping just so I don't have to hear constant foreign tongues spoken around me all day and have their kids running around and the rags.. I can't stand the rags. It doesn't feel like home living in this.

I've seen OVER and OVER again Canadians lose jobs to these useless employees. The executives and managers love hiring them, and WHO HAS TO CARY THEM? WHO GETS STUCK WITH THEM? ME, MY WIFE, AND CANADIANS THAT'S WHO.

These young 'educated' immigrants are the freaking WORST employees there are. The WORST. AND WE DON'T HAVE JOBS FOR THEM ANYWAY.

WWWWT, go back to China if you want to be with your relatives. I dont want to pay for their health care bill, her prescriptions and it's nothing personal but I want you to know that as a Canadian, and this being MY country, I DO NOT WANT YOUR GRANDPARENTS HERE. GO VISIT THEM OR BUY THEM INSURANCE IN HONG KONG. I'M SICK OF HAVING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS JUST SO YOU CAN VOTE LIBERAL AND NDP.

I can understand your frustration...and your anger. These days, there is indeed descrimination towards older white males when it comes to employment! If you fit that profile and you happen to be competing for a job with visible minorities...chances are, you won't get in. I know of a white, older man who applied for this temporary employment with the Census. He was among a handful who got interviewed for a supervisory position because he scored high in the exam. In the interview he was asked if he'd consider the non-supervisory position if he didn't get hired as a supervisor (they need only 1 in his area), and he said yes. He had excellent reference from his previous employers. Lo and behold, he didn't get any position at all! You'd think he'd at least get hired as a field agent!

As for work ethics, that depends. I've worked with whites....and minorities who had excellent work ethics! I've also worked with minorities....and whites who had awful work ethics, or you can say none at all!

We've got minorities who'd had excellent education. Their command of English (written and spoken) would put a lot, if not most of our college-educated Canadians to shame!

A lot excel in their own niche. Asians are mostly in Research/Science/Technology, whereas some race - because of their own cultural background - seem to excel in healthcare, education, childcare, housekeeping etc.,

A lot of minorities are not ashamed - nor do they think it's beneath them - to take any menial jobs! They fill up the positions that others wouldn't touch. A lot of them stay on their jobs longer...they don't seem to move around so much (which is good news for employers since they don't go through the hiring/training process -which means added expenses - quite often.)

I'm not saying all minorities are worth having in this country. Like all others, there are good ones...and rotten ones. What we need is a way of discerning which are the good ones. It's only sensible. If employers are choosing ones which they think would be beneficial for their organizations - and willing to pay for those - then why shouldn't a country be choosy as to who they should let in?

Hearing them talk in their tongues doesn't bother me. I don't understand French, so there's no difference there for me. It will bother me though if a public servant don't speak to me in the language that I can understand.....especially if I'm in need of assistance! After all as a taxpayer, I'm paying for that, am I not?

Seeing them in their turbans doesn't bother me...nor does it bother me to see someone in a baseball cap whether out or indoors (although I do have the urge to fix the cap that's worn backwards!) Now, burquas are a different matter....but that's a whole new topic (or not so new).

Edited April 23, 2011 by betsy

Mr.Canada · April 23, 2011

MikeDavid. This is t he exact reason why we don't live in the city. In fact I would never again live anywhere that is even touching Toronto. Once an area is touching Toronto or any big city it's flooded with immigrants that don't act and speak like we do. The area is also flooded with crime and drugs and poor people. All are undesirable for us to live around. Look at any area that has a high number of non European immigrants living in it. The area is always poor, dirty, drug infested and riddled with crime. These people are my equal? I don't think so.

White immigrants always make their living areas better while non whites turn them into toilets. The good areas of the city are almost always areas which have a high number of whites living in them while the undesirable areas are almost always full of non whites. Is this a coincidence?

Edited April 23, 2011 by Mr.Canada

WWWTT · April 23, 2011

WWWWT, go back to China if you want to be with your relatives. I dont want to pay for their health care bill, her prescriptions and it's nothing personal but I want you to know that as a Canadian, and this being MY country, I DO NOT WANT YOUR GRANDPARENTS HERE. GO VISIT THEM OR BUY THEM INSURANCE IN HONG KONG. I'M SICK OF HAVING TO PAY FOR ALL OF THIS JUST SO YOU CAN VOTE LIBERAL AND NDP.

You feel better now that you got that out of your system buddy,or I guess this is all I can expect from you?

Ok first off,where's the evidence?You know proof!

Secondly I was born in Canada.So I carry a Canadian passport and this is my country buddy!

And thirdly both my parents are from Sao Miguel,Azores,Portugal.

However my wife is from Nanning,Guangxi,PRC.

And finaly Canada needs her,I need her,and I have constitutional rights buddy.

You can write all the crap you like,your opinion still couldn't buy a loaf of bread and a pot to piss in!

WWWTT

WWWTT · April 23, 2011

MikeDavid. This is t he exact reason why we don't live in the city. In fact I would never again live anywhere that is even touching Toronto. Once an area is touching Toronto or any big city it's flooded with immigrants that don't act and speak like we do. The area is also flooded with crime and drugs and poor people. All are undesirable for us to live around. Look at any area that has a high number of non European immigrants living in it. The area is always poor, dirty, drug infested and riddled with crime. These people are my equal? I don't think so.

White immigrants always make their living areas better while non whites turn them into toilets. The good areas of the city are almost always areas which have a high number of whites living in them while the undesirable areas are almost always full of non whites. Is this a coincidence?

Oh man this article is one of the worst I have read on mapleleafweb.

I guess you don't know the history of Cabbagetown do you buddy?

Thank God you don't have any serious authority in this country and if you did I would use this last piece of crap you wrote to smear you!

WWWTT

Smallc · April 23, 2011

Once an area is touching Toronto or any big city it's flooded with immigrants that don't act and speak like we do.

Then that's definitely the place I want to live.

Mr.Canada · April 23, 2011

Oh man this article is one of the worst I have read on mapleleafweb.

I guess you don't know the history of Cabbagetown do you buddy?

Thank God you don't have any serious authority in this country and if you did I would use this last piece of crap you wrote to smear you!

WWWTT

Lets deal with things are happening within my lifetime please. If I am wrong then show me how I'm wrong. So far you've just personally insulted me. Do you have anything of substance or just insults?

Mr.Canada · April 23, 2011

Then that's definitely the place I want to live.

LOl. If you want to surrounded by non English speakers, crime, drugs and hookers go for it.

Smallc · April 23, 2011

LOl. If you want to surrounded by non English speakers, crime, drugs and hookers go for it.

If you think that white people don't do drugs or use hookers, that's a nice delusional world you live in.

Mr.Canada · April 23, 2011

If you think that white people don't do drugs or use hookers, that's a nice delusional world you live in.

I don't believe I said that.

Smallc · April 23, 2011

I don't believe I said that.

Well then why point it out as something that immigrants do? Or is it that you don't think that those types of things happen in your clean little neighborhood? Maybe it's only whites that have been exposed to immigrant culture, hmm?

I love Canada's cities. I've visited most of them, and I plan to visit all of them within the next few years (along with some of the cities in Europe). There's nothing wrong with Toronto.

Mr.Canada · April 23, 2011

Well then why point it out as something that immigrants do? Or is it that you don't think that those types of things happen in your clean little neighborhood? Maybe it's only whites that have been exposed to immigrant culture, hmm?

I love Canada's cities. I've visited most of them, and I plan to visit all of them within the next few years (along with some of the cities in Europe). There's nothing wrong with Toronto.

What I pointed out was that the desirable neighborhoods to live in are mostly ones that the majority of its residents are white European. The undesirable ones are always ones where whites are in the minority. In those undesirable areas you'll find poor people, crime, drugs and hookers.

The term immigrant has become a term that is synonymous with non white. These new immigrants flock to the cities and create ghettos which are homogeneous in their racial make up and unfriendly to outsiders. I'm not saying anything untrue.

I like Canadian cities as well, to visit sure but I'd never live in any of those utopian crap holes. Many people agree with me obviously which is why the suburbs are getting forever larger and further away from the major cities.

Smallc · April 23, 2011

I like Canadian cities as well, to visit sure but I'd never live in any of those utopian crap holes. Many people agree with me obviously which is why the suburbs are getting forever larger and further away from the major cities.

You're living in the past (in more ways than one). Canada's inner cities are experiencing almost unprecedented growth right now, with many of the people who reside their being wealth...immigrant and otherwise.

Mr.Canada · April 23, 2011

Our immigration policy needs to be strengthened. It should be hard to get into Canada. If Canada is so desirable to move to then it should have higher criteria for entry then most other countries. The Tories are letting in far too many people. Instead of Canada changing to meet the needs of new comers it's the new comers who who should be changing. If Canada is so great that is.

Handsome Rob · April 23, 2011

What I pointed out was that the desirable neighborhoods to live in are mostly ones that the majority of its residents are white European. The undesirable ones are always ones where whites are in the minority. In those undesirable areas you'll find poor people, crime, drugs and hookers.

I don't generally venture East of Calgary, save maybe a week at most tolerating Toronto. However IMO, my favorite city in the GVRD has white Europeans as a minority. Great place to live, 3rd safest city in the province, crime and even panhandling ridiculously rare, and the highest life expectancy in the nation to boot.

Mr.Canada · April 23, 2011

delete.

Edited April 23, 2011 by Mr.Canada

wyly · April 23, 2011

What I pointed out was that the desirable neighborhoods to live in are mostly ones that the majority of its residents are white European. The undesirable ones are always ones where whites are in the minority. In those undesirable areas you'll find poor people, crime, drugs and hookers.

The term immigrant has become a term that is synonymous with non white. These new immigrants flock to the cities and create ghettos which are homogeneous in their racial make up and unfriendly to outsiders. I'm not saying anything untrue.

I like Canadian cities as well, to visit sure but I'd never live in any of those utopian crap holes. Many people agree with me obviously which is why the suburbs are getting forever larger and further away from the major cities.

really, I live in the most sought after neighbourhood in calgary and it's heavily populated with asians, my kids high school white euros are in the minority, the local schools all excell on provincial achievement results, crime is very low...

what you think of as a problem created immigration in general not immigration of colour, immigrants starting out in a new country normally start out in lower income areas until they become established and move out, this was also the case with white europeans, the irish, poles, italians they all started out at the bottom as did my family...

Edited April 23, 2011 by wyly

Scotty · April 23, 2011

Populist sentiments like these don't usually get expressed much in public, but they're commonplace in areas of high immigration. I think it's a natural human behaviour pattern to want to feel at home amongst ones community to want to feel a sense of belonging, companionship, association. When the number of foreigners rises to the point where everywhere you go you seem to feel outnumbered by people who are speaking foreign languages, dressing and acting in a different way, and who don't always share your beliefs, native Canadians can feel resentment and anger. This is entirely natural and you'll find it anywhere in the world. But the anger and resentment should be turned towards politicians who embrace our wide open immigration system, and not the immigrants themselves.

That's not to say that some individuals among the great mass of immigrants we bring over don't merit our anger. Some are criminals, some are lazy, many, coming from hardscrabble, third world societies, are quick to take advantage of every single thing they can legally obtain here, even if that means fudging applications or lying a little (corruption being often endemic in some of these societies). And some are religious fanatics who feel superiority towards our culture and value systems and have no interest in changing or embracing them.

But ultimately, the presence of such people is the fault of the system, and the system is at the very least accepted by the people we vote for. Thus the need to vote out those individuals who embrace the current wide open immigration system, if you can find any. Problem is that almost no politicians are willing to openly condemn immigration and call for its curtailment. The best we can hope for is to vote for politicians who seem likely to tighten up the rules to keep out the bad immigrants, and the immigrants who are a drain on our social services.

Right now, given the wholesale, unrestrained enthusiasm demonstrated by Liberals and the NDP for immigration, the best shot we have are the Tories. Maybe with a majority they might tighten things up further, and help edge our immigration system to one which benefits Canada, and not merely themselves.

wyly · April 23, 2011

Populist sentiments like these don't usually get expressed much in public, but they're commonplace in areas of high immigration. I think it's a natural human behaviour pattern to want to feel at home amongst ones community to want to feel a sense of belonging, companionship, association. When the number of foreigners rises to the point where everywhere you go you seem to feel outnumbered by people who are speaking foreign languages, dressing and acting in a different way, and who don't always share your beliefs, native Canadians can feel resentment and anger. This is entirely natural and you'll find it anywhere in the world. But the anger and resentment should be turned towards politicians who embrace our wide open immigration system, and not the immigrants themselves.

That's not to say that some individuals among the great mass of immigrants we bring over don't merit our anger. Some are criminals, some are lazy, many, coming from hardscrabble, third world societies, are quick to take advantage of every single thing they can legally obtain here, even if that means fudging applications or lying a little (corruption being often endemic in some of these societies). And some are religious fanatics who feel superiority towards our culture and value systems and have no interest in changing or embracing them.

you display the same attitude that prompted my grandfather a guest worker in pre war germany to pack up his family and leave...xenophobia maybe common but it not healthy or right... Edited April 23, 2011 by wyly

Scotty · April 23, 2011

you display the same attitude that prompted my grandfather a guest worker in pre war germany to pack up his family and leave...xenophobia maybe common but it not healthy or right...

It is not xenophobic to want to be around your own people at home. It is perfectly normal. There is no people anywhere on Earth who would not start to feel antsy and resentful if half their town was suddenly filled with foreigners and their foreign ways. People like to feel at home in their home.

PIK · April 23, 2011

"Money sucking leeches" really you have a site to back this up?

Actually do you have a site to back up any of your opinions on this subject?

I wouldn't usually ask but for some reason I just can't seem to find anything to back up your argument.I wonder why?

WWWTT

Go buy the book MAYDAY MAYDAY and you will get the facts ,one being that 25% of TO's hospital bed are filled with immigrants that came here in the last 2 years. So joe canadian who has worked all his life here and when old and sick can't get a bed.I am sick of people with the whitemans quilt handing everything over to the immigrant to feel better about themselves. Edited April 23, 2011 by PIK

bloodyminded · April 23, 2011

MikeDavid. This is t he exact reason why we don't live in the city. In fact I would never again live anywhere that is even touching Toronto. Once an area is touching Toronto or any big city it's flooded with immigrants that don't act and speak like we do. The area is also flooded with crime and drugs and poor people. All are undesirable for us to live around. Look at any area that has a high number of non European immigrants living in it. The area is always poor, dirty, drug infested and riddled with crime. These people are my equal? I don't think so.

I suspect they'd object to the comparison as well.

White immigrants always make their living areas better while non whites turn them into toilets. The good areas of the city are almost always areas which have a high number of whites living in them while the undesirable areas are almost always full of non whites. Is this a coincidence?

I grew up in a fairly run-down and violent little sub-community myself. It was exclusively, 100% "white."

Coincidence? Obviously not...according to the standards you lay out.

Damn whities.

bloodyminded · April 23, 2011

And some are religious fanatics who feel superiority towards our culture and value systems and have no interest in changing or embracing them.

Yes, if there's one thing you cannot stand, it's anyone who expresses a superior attitude about culture and value systems.

betsy · April 23, 2011

Do I assume then that though from the outset it seems to me that everything is fine and dandy in our multi-cultural society....there is a simmering resentment - which is an understatement considering the strong words coming from one or two posters - underneath the current? That chances are, these are not just isolated sentiments held by said community members....but rather held by many who are just too Canadianly-polite that they try to keep these feelings in check?

There is something terribly wrong with our Immigration system. Let's face it. Multi-culturalism doesn't work. Just look at Europe, and the problems they're having now.

To question it is not being racist. And I don't think Mike or Mr Canada are being racists when they said the words that they did. People are getting angry. Frustrated.

How do you think that man who qualified as a candidate for supervisory position only to end up getting zilch feels about the system and the threat of what would be a surging mass of immigrants - if either the Liberals or NDP or Coalition wins - coming to town?

That echoes what Mikedavid was trying to say regarding his employment.

If you Liberals/NDP are true to your values as to equality for all - then, no one should be discriminated, not even ageing white males.

We have to start with our politicians. They shouldn't be allowed to use Immigration as a tool to further their own personal political ambitions at the expense of our country and its citizens.

These politicians should be made to answer to us when they include dubious policies in their platforms that make no sense....such as this reunification platform by both the Liberals and NDP, which is actually an invitiation to massive EXODUS!

Edited April 23, 2011 by betsy

RNG · April 23, 2011

I was very surprised when UK PM Cameron bluntly stated that multi-culturalism doesn't work. Quite a bold move for a politician.

Scotty · April 23, 2011

Yes, if there's one thing you cannot stand, it's anyone who expresses a superior attitude about culture and value systems.

I acknowledge that I think our culture is superior. But I'm HERE. If I went to India or China or Pakistan and started sneering at their culture and telling everyone how much better mine was I suspect they might not appreciate it. And if I moved in along with a couple of million Canadians who felt pretty much like I did I suspect the locals would start getting pretty pissed off.

Edited April 23, 2011 by Scotty