Muslims are taking over the world

[Oleg Bach]

Not YET being the keyword. The argument eventually does turn there.

I don't really reject the facts. I reject the premis of the video which to me is just ment to scare people.

I think as they become more educated and integrate into western societies, that will quickly become a non issue.

The video is definately meant to scare you. The music, the overtones, the tone of the presenterd voice, all has a psycological effect on those who are going to view it. And those who are going to be most scared are the ones who already think Islam is a threat. The video should have thrown some 9/11 imagry in there for good measure to really drive the point home. Hence the reason I used the term fearmongering.

Fearmongering is akin to a gangster scaring you then extorting you for protection money...The USA does do that to it`s own people.

[bloodyminded]

The video is definately meant to scare you. The music, the overtones, the tone of the presenterd voice, all has a psycological effect on those who are going to view it. And those who are going to be most scared are the ones who already think Islam is a threat. The video should have thrown some 9/11 imagry in there for good measure to really drive the point home. Hence the reason I used the term fearmongering.

Exactly. I've had precisely the same argument with people who insist that "reality" tv is a genuine look at "reality," rather than a pseudo-scripted series of poorly-conceived dramas.

I have a similar issue with Michael Moore's semi-fictional films.

Edited April 7, 2011 by bloodyminded

[Oleg Bach]

Exactly. I've had precisely the same argument with people who insist that "reality" tv is a genuine look at "reality," rather than a pseudo-scripted series of poorly-conceived dramas.

I have a similar issue with Michael Moore's semi-fictional films.

Agree.

[guyser]

So you're denying that the demographic trends show that the countries of Europe (and also those in North America) will become Muslim-majority states in the not-so-distant future?

From 600,000 to 16 million (or even 10M)

Yes, I do not see that happening. But then again, we will be living on the moon at 'some point' so you know....maybe you have a point.

[bloodyminded]

From 600,000 to 16 million (or even 10M)

Yes, I do not see that happening.

Yeah, it depends on (arguably inflated anyway) numbers remaining steady, which is not a given.

At any rate, I do foresee, definitely, a growing Muslim presence.

Just not a sinister one.

[Oleg Bach]

From 600,000 to 16 million (or even 10M)

Yes, I do not see that happening. But then again, we will be living on the moon at 'some point' so you know....maybe you have a point.

Not moving to live on the moon because Mohamid has taken over my earth - no way...they can live on the moon...

[GostHacked]

Exactly. I've had precisely the same argument with people who insist that "reality" tv is a genuine look at "reality," rather than a pseudo-scripted series of poorly-conceived dramas.

I have a similar issue with Michael Moore's semi-fictional films.

I used to like Moore's films, but now there are many people doing documentaries and many are doing it way better than Moore.

And to your point about scripted reality, it is really blatant and very obvious now. But so many buy into it being real. good thing I cut my cable TV off about 5 months ago now. My brain does not feel bombarded by constant stupid.

[Bob]

Not YET being the keyword. The argument eventually does turn there.

I don't really reject the facts. I reject the premis of the video which to me is just ment to scare people.

Scare people into thinking what, exactly? All the video does is mention that the Muslim populations are growing rapidly in predominantly non-Muslim countries, which will lead to Muslim majority states all across Europe. Is that a cause for concern or isn't it?

I think as they become more educated and integrate into western societies, that will quickly become a non issue.

What exactly won't be an issue? Is it or is it not a concern that the Muslim population of all European countries is growing rapidly and will soon become the majority religion of the countries? If Canada begins to experience a similar phenomenon, as is likely to be the case, does Canada have a right to be concerned? Is there any component of the Muslim population that you find concerning? Any trend within that broader group of people that you find worrisome?

The video is definately meant to scare you. The music, the overtones, the tone of the presenterd voice, all has a psycological effect on those who are going to view it. And those who are going to be most scared are the ones who already think Islam is a threat. The video should have thrown some 9/11 imagry in there for good measure to really drive the point home. Hence the reason I used the term fearmongering.

So a Canada with a population that is 75% Muslim isn't something to be afraid of?

[DogOnPorch]

I used to like Moore's films, but now there are many people doing documentaries and many are doing it way better than Moore.

And to your point about scripted reality, it is really blatant and very obvious now. But so many buy into it being real. good thing I cut my cable TV off about 5 months ago now. My brain does not feel bombarded by constant stupid.

Notes Alex Jones signature...notes GH cutting off the cable...notes once more GH's Alex Jones siggy.

[DogOnPorch]

So a Canada with a population that is 75% Muslim isn't something to be afraid of?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86zPFR4R0Ko

[Michael Hardner]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86zPFR4R0Ko

That's a fun analogy DoP, especially when one considers the part that Ken was dead wrong in his ant alarmism.

[GostHacked]

Notes Alex Jones signature...notes GH cutting off the cable...notes once more GH's Alex Jones siggy.

I rather listen to him than you.

[DogOnPorch]

That's a fun analogy DoP, especially when one considers the part that Ken was dead wrong in his ant alarmism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xs74VYDNDXE

[Bob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86zPFR4R0Ko

I miss the days when The Simpsons was a good show.

It seems that those who are attacking the video, even though it is a bit dramatized with the eerie music and special effects, are putting their heads in the sand with respect to the simple facts of massive Muslim growth. Rather than address the simple facts, GostHacked writes it off as "fearmongering". If these folks are fine with Canada eventually becoming a Muslim country, then fine. Let's get them on the record saying that they're comfortable with Canada being a Muslim majority country. Let's drop the political correctness.

[DogOnPorch]

I rather listen to him than you.

No worries, I won't use my black helicopters and the Illuminati connections to cut off your Alex Jones.

[DogOnPorch]

I miss the days when The Simpsons was a good show.

It seems that those who are attacking the video, even though it is a bit dramatized with the eerie music and special effects, are putting their heads in the sand with respect to the simple facts of massive Muslim growth. Rather than address the simple facts, GostHacked writes it off as "fearmongering". If these folks are fine with Canada eventually becoming a Muslim country, then fine. Let's get them on the record saying that they're comfortable with Canada being a Muslim majority country. Let's drop the political correctness.

Hey...some of their best friends are Muslim.

[Bob]

Hey...some of their best friends are Muslim.

And they think little Abdul from who was born here with his doctor mother and engineer father from Paksitan is just like all the other Abduls in back in the homeland (edit - and wholly representative of mainstream Pakistani culture)

Edited April 7, 2011 by Bob

[guyser]

It seems that those who are attacking the video, even though it is a bit dramatized with the eerie music and special effects, are putting their heads in the sand with respect to the simple facts of massive Muslim growth.

Frankly bob, it is better than pulling stuff out of your arse isnt it?

Stuff like...

If these folks are fine with Canada eventually becoming a Muslim country, then fine. Let's get them on the record saying that they're comfortable with Canada being a Muslim majority country. Let's drop the political correctness.

You'll be dead, your grandchildren will be dead, and this will still not be a muslim country.

From 500 or 600,000 to 10 or 15 million?

Yea...I dont think so,

[Bob]

Frankly bob, it is better than pulling stuff out of your arse isnt it?

Stuff like...

You'll be dead, your grandchildren will be dead, and this will still not be a muslim country.

From 500 or 600,000 to 10 or 15 million?

Yea...I dont think so,

The demographic trend is there, it's just further down the line for Canada than it is for European countries.

[guyser]

The demographic trend is there, it's just further down the line for Canada than it is for European countries.

Yup

The demographic trend is so far in the future it is a statistical anomally

[Bonam]

The thing is, it's not actually the Muslim's fault in this case. Demographics in Europe and Canada certainly indicate growing Muslim populations and eventually majorities. But these demographics rely on high immigration rates from Muslim countries. Only as many of them come here as we allow. If we ceased all immigration today, the Muslim populations are low enough that they'd be absorbed into the general population over a few generations despite their higher birth rates, and our culture would not be fundamentally altered.

And, in the end, allowing that immigration is entirely our choice: the choice of our elected political leaders. The threat of a Muslim majority Europe, therefore, comes not from the Muslims but from Europe's own politicians who choose to let the Muslims in.

[dre]

The thing is, it's not actually the Muslim's fault in this case. Demographics in Europe and Canada certainly indicate growing Muslim populations and eventually majorities. But these demographics rely on high immigration rates from Muslim countries. Only as many of them come here as we allow. If we ceased all immigration today, the Muslim populations are low enough that they'd be absorbed into the general population over a few generations despite their higher birth rates, and our culture would not be fundamentally altered.

And, in the end, allowing that immigration is entirely our choice: the choice of our elected political leaders. The threat of a Muslim majority Europe, therefore, comes not from the Muslims but from Europe's own politicians who choose to let the Muslims in.

Its not just politicians, Canadian people share the blame. For whatever reason we dont place much value on raising a family anymore, and success is defined different now. In the last 20 years immigrants have made up for the bulk of new jobs added to our economy and we cant have a growth economy without immigration... we have a negative birthrate.

[Saipan]

we cant have a growth economy without immigration... we have a negative birthrate.

So what?

Countries with high birth rate have very lousy economy.

[Bonam]

Its not just politicians, Canadian people share the blame. For whatever reason we dont place much value on raising a family anymore, and success is defined different now. In the last 20 years immigrants have made up for the bulk of new jobs added to our economy and we cant have a growth economy without immigration... we have a negative birthrate.

Chicken or the egg? If we had less immigration, there would be less available workers, which means companies would offer higher pay to try to attract employees, which means families would be more financially secure, which means more of them might be willing to have more children than they presently do.

[GostHacked]

Chicken or the egg? If we had less immigration, there would be less available workers, which means companies would offer higher pay to try to attract employees, which means families would be more financially secure, which means more of them might be willing to have more children than they presently do.

You bring up some of those other points I was hinting at. Many societal factors that contribute to western civilizations having lower birth rates.