Muslims are taking over the world

[Rue]

So why it's not so in Islamic countries?

You do have a way of getting to the point very quickly.

Personally yes I have a concern with fundamentalist Islam's spead. Of course. Exact same reason I have concerns about fundamentalist Jews in my own community or fundamentalists in ANY religion.

All I know is they all tend to grow beards and scream and burn things and have a bad attitude about me, sex, women, gays, humanists,people who use contraceptives or get abortions, not to mention Steve Tyler, but not necessarily in that order.

[Saipan]

fundamentalists in ANY religion.

All I know is they all tend to grow beards and scream and burn things

Actually I haven't see one bearded, loud Buddhist

[Tilter]

I haven't even seen an angry Buddhist much less an angry bearded one. Come to think of it what DO they believe in? Sitting around? naval contemplation? topless attire? smug looks on statues? They sound like my kinda religion.

[Rue]

Actually I haven't see one bearded, loud Buddhist

I forgot they can have beards. True. I take that back. Come to think of it I never head a loud Amish/Mennonite person either.

On a more serious note bang on again with the population comment. You must write Haiku the way you get right to the point.

I agree. I do understand Bon's comment but I think while immigration policy in Canada is more designed for what he says-trying to make up for the low birth rate because of future CPP issues or the need for an adequate basin of tax payers-I think in Europe it was more of a case of finding cheap labour and "guest workers", many who were of course Turks, basically came to do the jobs Europeans did not want.

Then we have of course the phenomena of Africa not being too far away from Italy and Spain and so the same sort of magentic pull on poor people the US has to Mexico-some of it yes is deliberate immigration policy to assure future population when it comes to Canada, but I think a lot of it has to do with the global economy and the movement of people desperate for work and leaving countries devestated by climate, weather or political issues and simply looking for work.

We know in the specific case of Palestinians, they have openly stated they encourage high population grown and large families as a deliberate tactic to try outpopulate Israelis.Its not a secret. They have never hidden that tactic.

We also know there are more fundamentalist Muslims than fundementalist Jews or Christians, so given that even though all three fundementalist types believe in large families, the Muslims have a higher rate of badda boom babies.

Then again while Muslims may be copulating with greater frequency then we Jews or Christians puhleeze the Indians and Chinese have everyone beat.

Also in my case don't pressure me. I can't perform under pressure. I need ambience, maybe some nice music, a bottle of wine, Sara Silverman wearing a negligee, or Mia Kirshner in something skimpy and the two are busy at the moment.

sheesh all this pressure to pop them out...where's my viagra-Oleg you have any extra?

[jbg]

Not all muslims wants to take over the world. Most muslims like all of us wants respect and equality from all culture, religion, and races.

Then why do they want Sharia law in Western host countries?

[scouterjim]

Muslims Are Taking Over The World At An Alarming Rate

Watch it all... if it's true then this is down right scary and I'd hate to think what the future holds for us.

May have been posted before, sorry if it has been.

Quick! Let's all run around waving our arms in the air and yell, "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!"

[guyser]

Then why do they want Sharia law in Western host countries?

What they want (the vocal ones) nand what the rest want is irrelevant. They will n ot get it.

What other group has their own court system for civil matters? And if there is (or was )one, why did they want that?

[Saipan]

I haven't even seen an angry Buddhist much less an angry bearded one. Come to think of it what DO they believe in?

Depends where they are. Some believe they'll have another beer. Others like me, believe it's too friggin' cold for April. I burned lot of wood this past winter, as we didn't go to Thailand this time 'round.

As for religion there are four branches of Buddhism. I believe in Theravada.

I also believe in scuba, shooting competition, and sailing, among other things

Sitting around?

I know lot of people think of Buddhists as of Buddhist Monks. Well, no more than Catholics walking around like the Pope

[Rue]

Then why do they want Sharia law in Western host countries?

Not all. Some. Fundamentalist Muslims probably do. Then again fundamentalist Jews and Christians want the same thing.

In fact in Ontario we had this ridiculous debate of allowing Muslims to opt out of family laws and people arguing for this right were not necessarily Muslims and people arguing

against this suggestion were at times Muslims.

In fact fundamentalist/orthodox Jews supported the Muslims wanting sharia law.

See for me its inaccurate to say "they" as if its ALL Muslims. Its not. Many came to Canada to get away from sharia law.

I disagree with orthodox Jews who feel they should have their divorces done outside family law courts and in rabbinical hearings.

Not all of us think the same way simply because we are all Jews or Christians or Muslims.

Edited April 14, 2011 by Rue

[Saipan]

In fact fundamentalist/orthodox Jews supported the Muslims wanting sharia law.

Overruled. Not in Canada.

[GostHacked]

In fact in Ontario we had this ridiculous debate of allowing Muslims to opt out of family laws and people arguing for this right were not necessarily Muslims and people arguing against this suggestion were at times Muslims.

And because of the Ontario government not allowing the Muslim family courts, the Jews lost their family courts as well. And that is totaly fair in my view. Work with the judicial system we already have.

[jbg]

See for me its inaccurate to say "they" as if its ALL Muslims. Its not. Many came to Canada to get away from sharia law.

One of my concern about allowing religious "courts" is that women, in particular, who want to get away from their families' dictates may find it easier said than done.

I disagree with orthodox Jews who feel they should have their divorces done outside family law courts and in rabbinical hearings.

As do I. I am remarkably consistant about disliking any kind of religious domination or fundamentalism.

[jbg]

And because of the Ontario government not allowing the Muslim family courts, the Jews lost their family courts as well. And that is totaly fair in my view. Work with the judicial system we already have.

I agree. I don't see why there should be different rules for different religions.

[bud]

So what?

Countries with high birth rate have very lousy economy.

no babies = older population who do not work = lousy economy

you need to understand the basic concepts of how these things work before trying to justify your xenophobic attitude.

[bud]

this might be interesting to those who are interested in the real world and not for those who are interested in furthering their tribalistic agendas that usually consists of demonizing other groups and religions:

The result is Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, based on six years of research and more than 50,000 interviews representing 1.3 billion Muslims who reside in more than 35 nations that are predominantly Muslim or have sizable Muslim populations. Representing more than 90% of the world's Muslim community, it makes this poll the largest, most comprehensive study of its kind.

What the data reveal and the authors illuminate may surprise you:

1. Muslims and Americans are equally likely to reject attacks on civilians as morally unjustifiable.
   
2. Large majorities of Muslims would guarantee free speech if it were up to them to write a new constitution AND they say religious leaders should have no direct role in drafting that constitution.
   
3. Muslims around the world say that what they LEAST admire about the West is its perceived moral decay and breakdown of traditional values -- the same answers that Americans themselves give when asked this question.
   
4. When asked about their dreams for the future, Muslims say they want better jobs and security, not conflict and violence.
   
5. Muslims say the most important thing Westerners can do to improve relations with their societies is to change their negative views toward Muslims and respect Islam.
   

link

Edited April 15, 2011 by bud

[bloodyminded]

[[*]Muslims and Americans are equally likely to reject attacks on civilians as morally unjustifiable.

[*]Large majorities of Muslims would guarantee free speech if it were up to them to write a new constitution AND they say religious leaders should have no direct role in drafting that constitution.

[*]Muslims around the world say that what they LEAST admire about the West is its perceived moral decay and breakdown of traditional values -- the same answers that Americans themselves give when asked this question.

[*]When asked about their dreams for the future, Muslims say they want better jobs and security, not conflict and violence.

[*]Muslims say the most important thing Westerners can do to improve relations with their societies is to change their negative views toward Muslims and respect Islam.

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link

I don't know why anyone should be surprised at this, but I suspect some people will be.

Edited April 16, 2011 by bloodyminded

[Bob]

I don't know why anyone should be surprised at this, but I suspect some people will be.

And in order to read the data and inspect the methodology, all one has to do is go buy the book!

It's also too simplistic, the Muslim world is WAY TOO BIG to simplify. Regionally, we will certainly see disturbing perspectives. You think we'll find widespread support for these values among Afghanis? Among Pakistanis? Among Palestinians? Get real.

You always seem to think that everyone around the world is fundamentally the same. It's the typical myopia we see for Western liberals who haven't met any of they people they pretend to understand. Here's a tip - the minorities you meet in Canada, at least the well-to-do ones, are almost exclusively minorities from their countries of origin. All my Arab/Muslim friends growing up, from Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, and other backgrounds tended to have professional parents that came to Canada because they could. They are quite different than the majority of the rabble from those garbage countries. You need to stop assuming that everyone around the world is fundamentally the same and that the few Lebanese folks you know are representative of the broader population.

As an aside, every single Arab and Muslim I know, and I've had this conversation with probably a hundred of them in a face-to-face manner over many years, were biased against Israel. They tend to think uniformally with respect to Israel.

[bloodyminded]

It's also too simplistic, the Muslim world is WAY TOO BIG to simplify.

But that's been our argument all along, against the simpleminded claims of vast, single-entity Muslim evil.

As an aside, every single Arab and Muslim I know, and I've had this conversation with probably a hundred of them in a face-to-face manner over many years, were biased against Israel. They tend to think uniformally with respect to Israel.

Well, Bob, just for an insane radical proposition, maybe a lot of people have a good point about Israel's lousy behaviour. Maybe their "bias" is largely against poor behaviour.

Would you not consider your own "bias" against the Palestinians to be reasonable?

You know, Bob, as astonishing as it might seem, there are plenty of people who disagree with you while holding to principle; everyone who disagrees with you is not either sinsister or moronic by definition.

[Scotty]

You know, Bob, as astonishing as it might seem, there are plenty of people who disagree with you while holding to principle; everyone who disagrees with you is not either sinsister or moronic by definition.

My assessment is that most of those who are hyper critical of Israel can actually be fairly reliably placed into one of those two categories.

[bloodyminded]

My assessment is that most of those who are hyper critical of Israel can actually be fairly reliably placed into one of those two categories.

Then your assessment is useless, and you should rethink your extremist politicization.

And that's very genuine advice.

[Scotty]

I don't know why anyone should be surprised at this, but I suspect some people will be.

How are we supposed to "change our negative views of Muslims and respect Islam" when the Muslim world demonstrates on a daily basis how many violent minded nut-jobs they have, and how barbarous and backward their social beliefs are?

[Scotty]

Then your assessment is useless, and you should rethink your extremist politicization.

And that's very genuine advice.

My assessment is as useless as yours... buddy.

There is no logical reason for hyper criticism of Israel given it's like the 89th worst violator of human rights in the world. Stupidity or bigotry, or in the case of the entirety of the leadership of the Islamic Conference, a sinister desire to point its illiterate mass of unhappy citizenry at some other enemy.

Edited April 17, 2011 by Scotty

[bloodyminded]

My assessment is as useless as yours... buddy.

You think that "most" critics of Israel being either sinister or moronic is a worthwhile opinion?

I disagree.

[Scotty]

You think that "most" critics of Israel being either sinister or moronic is a worthwhile opinion?

I disagree.

I didn't say 'most critics', I said that most of those who are 'hypercritical' of Israel.... buddy!

[bloodyminded]

How are we supposed to "change our negative views of Muslims and respect Islam" when the Muslim world demonstrates on a daily basis how many violent minded nut-jobs they have, and how barbarous and backward their social beliefs are?

But most of them aren't "violent minded nutjobs." That's the point.

I understand that the simpleminded caricature is quite comforting, for reasons that might be rather unpleasant. But it's not doing anyone any good.