Poll shows increasing voter skepticism about Harper government

[August1991]

Not sure what they are getting at here - does anyone know?

Harper demonstrates unscripted words can turn a campaign around quickly

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/harper-demonstrates-unscripted-words-can-turn-a-campaign-around-quickly.html

Harry, as a blogger once postulated, Naumetz pretends to be a journalist. He now writes apparently for Yahoo News!

Anyway, he starts his article well enough:

Ask any Liberal, New Democrat or Conservative who ran in the watershed series of three elections from 1984 to 1993, the last one leaving the old Conservative party barely alive in the House of Commons, clinging by a fingernail only nine years after Brian Mulroney led the party to the largest federal majority in Canadian history.

In each of those campaigns, there was a gotcha moment. Naumetz somehow implies that Harper will go off message, make a mistake and the Tories will collapse into oblivion.

I read the article (and so did you) and apparently neither of us can find evidence of his theory as it would apply to Harper.

Edited March 26, 2011 by August1991

[Harry]

Thanks August.

I just was not quite clear what the author was getting it. Now that I have reread it I think the author was suggesting that Harper's gaffe was to talk about the possibility of the Conservatives coming in second in the number of seats, and therefore the Conservatives would not try to form the government if another party beat them by at least one seat.

Edited March 27, 2011 by Harry

[Jack Weber]

Harry, as a blogger once postulated, Naumetz pretends to be a journalist. He now writes apparently for Yahoo News!

Anyway, he starts his article well enough:

In each of those campaigns, there was a gotcha moment. Naumetz somehow implies that Harper will go off message, make a mistake and the Tories will collapse into oblivion.

I read the article (and so did you) and apparently neither of us can find evidence of his theory as it would apply to Harper.

Was'nt the arts funding issue the "gaffe" that cost him his majority?It was'nt completely ruinous but it did cost the Conservatives...

[Harry]

That's correct Jack. Good one.

Edited March 27, 2011 by Harry

[August1991]

Was'nt the arts funding issue the "gaffe" that cost him his majority?It was'nt completely ruinous but it did cost the Conservatives...

The arts funding gaffe was nothing like the "You had an option" gaffe of the 1984 campaign.

CBC Video Link

It wasn't even like Kim Campbell's "an election is no time to discuss serious issues". Link

Except that all three quotes show what happens when a neophyte, someone out of practice or someone without street smarts, ventures into the public arena.

I admired Trudeau and Levesque because they could appear comfortable in the arena and they would say what they mean in an entertaining way. Mulroney was also good but predictable. Ignatieff can't do it now and he doesn't have the time to learn. Harper usually stays scripted. Among the current federal politicians, only Layton can sort-of do it but then he's not under the glare of the stadium lights.

Edited March 27, 2011 by August1991

[William Ashley]

How about those high paid native Councillors and chiefs pay a little attention to their freaking jobs, hire people who aren't idiots, and get them trained? Is that too much to ask of natives?

Apparently. Why not the let the people who can do it get it done. They went without water cleaning plants for thousands of years until whiteman polluted it, the least white man can do is clean it up.

Why? It's not their jobs! It's the job of municipalities. Do you think the federal government has any real input into how the water treatment plants in say Ottawa is operated, or who works there, or how they're trained?

The federal government should be making sure municipal water is clean too. It is a public safety issue thus falls under the federal government.

The aspect of health is where it meets with public safety. Peronal health is a provincial (economic/social issue), community health (contageous diseases, water supply etc..) are federal safety issues.

It is true that these issues fall under the purview of municipal government in how they manage them, but in the event of a failure to maintain minimal water quality levels set by the federal government, the federal government must step in and declare a state of emergency if there is a local water shortage of potable water. There are multiple stages of this, such as boil water advisory, however as soon as there is an ongoing water safety issue in a community the federal government must involve itself. This is true in EuroCandian communities and Native Canadian Reserves.

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/ewh-semt/water-eau/drink-potab/guide/index-eng.php

B. Public Welfare Emergency

If the Governor in Council believes, on reasonable grounds, that a public welfare emergency exists in Canada and necessitates the taking of special temporary measures, he or she can, after consulting the Lieutenant Governor in Council of the province or provinces where it is found, so declare by proclamation (ss. 6(1) and 14). If the emergency exists in only one province, such a proclamation can only be issued if the provincial Lieutenant Governor in Council agrees that the emergency is beyond his/her capacity to address (s. 14(2)).

A public welfare emergency is defined as one that is caused by real or imminent:

* natural catastrophe;

* disease in humans, animals or plants;

* accident or pollution; resulting in danger to life or property, social disruption or a breakdown in the flow of essential goods, services or resources so serious as to constitute a national emergency (s. 5).

A declaration of public welfare emergency would have to specify:

* the state of affairs constituting the emergency;

* the special temporary measures the Governor in Council anticipates to be necessary; and

* to which part or parts of Canada the emergency, if it is not a national one, extends (s. 6(2)).

While a declaration of public welfare emergency is in effect, the Governor in Council would be empowered to make orders and regulations concerning:

1) the regulation or prohibition of travel where necessary for the protection of the health or safety of individuals;

2) the evacuation of persons and the removal of personal property;

3) the requisition, use or disposition of personal property;

4) the furnishing of essential services and provision of reasonable compensation for such services;

5) the making of emergency payments;

6) the establishment of hospitals and emergency shelters;

7) the distribution of essential goods;

8) the assessment, repair and restoration of damages to works or undertakings;

9) the assessment and alleviation of environmental damage; and

10) the imposition on summary conviction of a fine not exceeding $500 or imprisonment not exceeding six months or both, or on indictment, of a fine not exceeding $5,000 or imprisonment not exceeding five years or both for contravention of any order or regulation (s. 8(1)).

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So if you don't have clean drinking water in your hometown, or toronto suddently runs out of drinking water, or calgary or halifax, it isn't an issue?

This is a VERY serious issue in Japan right now, where their water isn't safe to drink due to pollution caused by nuclear runoff - well lots of industrial chemicals and human waste that gets dumped into the rivers arn't safe to consume either.

I have the sense that since it is just some redskins and not rideau hall you could care less about water quality. I think people that are this ignorant of human health and safety should try gliving in those conditions, ship yourself off to africa or 3rd World Canada to experience it live and direct.

Edited March 28, 2011 by William Ashley

[Oleg Bach]

Are we naive enough to believe that polls are not manipulated? Even if they are legit - to govern by poll is certainly a very substandard way of attempting to be a leader. Anyone who is not a skeptic is usually a person that is trusting enough to join the military and torment some poor tribesmen on the other side of the world. AND actually believe they are doing something good and useful that will change the world for the better. No one with the ability to think independently - respects any of our institutions. I wonder if the guys in politics actually realize that the average person looks upon them as dumb self serving talentless goofs.

[shallyv]

Nanos Research have released a poll tonite showing that 41% of Canadians trust Harper less today than they did a year ago.

What kind of damage do you think this could do to Harper's chances in the coming election campaign?

Poll shows increasing voter skepticism about Harper government

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/poll-shows-increasing-voter-skepticism-about-harper-government/article1955978/

makes no difference whether conservatives or liberals win. both are under the U.S. gun. That's why the Canadian and U.S. militaries signed an agreement to send the military forces of either country if there were civil 'emergencies' (national strikes maybe?) - Canadians to the U.S., U.S. to Canada. With the U.S. N.S.A. having teleportattion, remote viewing, electromagnetic radiation to kill by 'natural causes', HAARP in Alaska that can cause earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, volcanic eruptions, stop missiles, cars, planes, trucks, trains, tanks, could you blame these cowardly politicians from surrendering to U.S. power instead of telling the Canadian people what they're faced with? But then again, maybe their private lives are subject to blackmail, eh?

[shallyv]

Nanos Research have released a poll tonite showing that 41% of Canadians trust Harper less today than they did a year ago.

What kind of damage do you think this could do to Harper's chances in the coming election campaign?

Poll shows increasing voter skepticism about Harper government

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/poll-shows-increasing-voter-skepticism-about-harper-government/article1955978/

[shallyv]

Go search Google for Freedom from Covert Harassment and Surveillance if you want to know your future under either Harper or Ignatieff. Or even Layton! As long as the Communications Security Establishment Canada has no covering legislation. They're 'Above the Law'! If anyone is above the law, then all law is a FARCE and is dependent on who has the power to coerce. The Commissioner of the C.S.E. Canada is a former judge who knows NOTHING about electronics, teleportation (a feature of Quantum Computing, itself a feature of Quantum Mechanics), electromagnetic radiation and its use to undermine your health so you die of 'natural causes', remote viewing, tracking someone by the bioelectricity of their body, remote viewing through your own eyes. If you're searching for anything on your computer and suddenly find the screen difficult to read while your eyes are burning, shut down the computer immediately or your brain will be taken control of and whatever you see will be seen by these criminals. Not only that but they will start affecting your sleep, your short term memory and God knows what else! Dr. José Manuel Rodriguez Delgado, a physiologist at Yale University infamously stated "Man does not have the right to develop his own mind. This kind of liberal orientation has great appeal. We must electrically control the brain. Some day armies and generals will be controlled by electric stimulation of the brain."

Welcome to the Harper/Iggy New World which will be/is a satellite of the New N.S.A. government.

[Bryan]

The arts funding gaffe was nothing like the "You had an option" gaffe of the 1984 campaign.

It wasn't even like Kim Campbell's "an election is no time to discuss serious issues".

The biggest difference is that in 1984 and 1993, the "gaffe" was sonething the candidate actually said or did. The arts funding issue was completely different in that it wasn't even true, it was a total fabrication of the media. Arts funding was not cut, it was increased substantially.

[Harry]

Harper is off today in the middle of the election campaign. I read somewhere that Harper is overweight and out of shape? What's wrong with Harper? Is he ill?

Edited April 9, 2011 by Harry

[Smallc]

I read somewhere that Harper is overweight and out of shape? What's wrong with Harper? Is he ill?

You read that somewhere, did you? You couldn't tell by looking at him? The man is taking one day off. Maybe he's tired? Big whoop.

[Jack Weber]

I believe he's taking the day off because his son has a volleyball tournament..

I can't fault him for that...

[WWWTT]

Harper is off today in the middle of the election campaign. I read somewhere that Harper is overweight and out of shape? What's wrong with Harper? Is he ill?

You forgot to add that he is also lazy.

This guy only works about six months of the year and I guess his sons volleyball game is more important than the future of Canada.

Keep voting conservative first,Canada second or when it doesn't conflict with your schedule.

WWWTT

[Harry]

More bad timing for Harper

VIH: le programme fédéral est un désastre

http://www.cyberpresse.ca/actualites/quebec-canada/sante/201104/10/01-4388403-vih-le-programme-federal-est-un-desastre.php?utm_categorieinterne=trafficdrivers&utm_contenuinterne=cyberpresse_B12_en-manchette_254_section_POS1

[Harry]

This is the kind of thing that can rub Canadian voters the wrong way.

Canadians believe in fairness and no one likes being had.

Conservatives offered pay bumps to political staffers - to $190,000 in one case

Newly released documents suggest the Conservative government fattened the pay of some political staffers while the country was tackling an economic crisis in 2009.

In one case, a senior aide's salary was raised to $190,000 — $35,000 more than the maximum rate.

The Treasury Board Secretariat's guidelines state that the maximum pay for political staff should be exceeded only in exceptional circumstances.

But documents obtained under Access to Information legislation suggest it happened frequently.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/conservatives-offered-pay-bumps-to-political-staffers---to-190000-in-one-case-119723499.html

[Slim MacSquinty]

Dirty rotten politics as usual, I'm proud to say I supported the Tories to supplant the liberals after a watching politicians use my money to line their own pockets, literally theft - remember.

Now the liberals having tired of their extended visit to political wilderness are suffering from withdrawl for power and access to our money. This insult at the hands of the electorate must be rectified, and soon. So for the first time in the history of parlimentary democracy our government fell on the pretext of contempt of parliment. Based on what? a couple of relatively minor issues that anyone with a sense of history might say were worthy of some penalty but not the historic route taken by the zealously partisan opposition. Remember there is nothing wrong with having contempt for the Liberals, that is not the same as contempt of parliment, but it does not supprise me that they would get that confused.

Their fear of further distance from power was made worse in the first few weeks of the campaign when it appeared that Harper might indeed get his majority. This is where it gets even dirtier, a Liberal operative leaks the DRAFT report and the Liberals go into scandal hysterics knowing full well that the AG's final report says something different, I'm sure Mark Holland peed himself at the opportunity to put on his indignant face.

Now I'm not happy at the negative adds, or the super control aspect of this Tory government, but it has been very clean by comparision to almost anything that went before it. And I can understand when a good chunck of the media and a lot of special interest groups appear to have a viseral hatred for the party that they would be inclined to be defencive and protective. But remember that we have had a minority governement for five years, the longest in history, that might suggest to some a less than despotic approach might have been necessary as some level of opposition support was necessary to sustain it through the many necessary votes. Yet the despot comments continue and the media gives zero credit for a minority government guiding the country so well through the roughest patch in nearly a century.

I have to really wonder what the heck is going on with my homeland, it seems we've been overrun by hysterical liars.

[guyser]

Their fear of further distance from power was made worse in the first few weeks of the campaign when it appeared that Harper might indeed get his majority. This is where it gets even dirtier, a Liberal operative leaks the DRAFT report and the Liberals go into scandal hysterics knowing full well that the AG's final report says something different,

Care to tell us who ? Im guessing if you know it was a Liberal, then you know who it was?

Now I'm not happy at the negative adds, or the super control aspect of this Tory government, but it has been very clean by comparision to almost anything that went before it.

Pretty much not true.

Transpernecy and all that, contempt....but not theft of money, we know that.

And I can understand when a good chunck of the media and a lot of special interest groups appear to have a viseral hatred for the party that they would be inclined to be defencive and protective.

Ahh the blame media option. Just knew thjat was coming. Seems anyone far right of centre seems to think the media is to blame for everything bad Tory wise.What a crock.

Yet the despot comments continue and the media gives zero credit for a minority government guiding the country so well through the roughest patch in nearly a century.

I have to really wonder what the heck is going on with my homeland, it seems we've been overrun by hysterical liars.

The govt was handed a surplus and very tough economic times.

Was Flaherty a hysterical liar when he said no deficit and he knew there would be one? He sucked when he ran Ontarios finances and it seems nothings changed in that regard.