Bryan Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 And likely short lived. I don't think Trudeau is going to make the same mistake that Ignatieff did in 2009. Ignatieff didn't have a choice, and neither would Trudeau. The Conservatives can afford to go right back to another election campaign, Liberals need time to rebuild the nest egg. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Ignatieff didn't have a choice, and neither would Trudeau. The Conservatives can afford to go right back to another election campaign, Liberals need time to rebuild the nest egg. Are you saying the LPC is outta money? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Ignatieff didn't have a choice, and neither would Trudeau. The Conservatives can afford to go right back to another election campaign, Liberals need time to rebuild the nest egg. Why would you assume the defeat of the government at, say, the Throne Speech, would lead to a new election. If the government is defeated, and the opposition parties can demonstrate that they are willing to maintain the new government's confidence for some period of time, say two years, is there some particular reason beyond wishful thinking that you imagine the Governor General would dissolve Parliament just a few weeks or months after an election? Quote
Bryan Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Are you saying the LPC is outta money? Perpetually. Why would you assume the defeat of the government at, say, the Throne Speech, would lead to a new election. If the government is defeated, and the opposition parties can demonstrate that they are willing to maintain the new government's confidence for some period of time, say two years, is there some particular reason beyond wishful thinking that you imagine the Governor General would dissolve Parliament just a few weeks or months after an election? Wishfull thinking is believing that would ever happen. David Johnson is not Julian Byng. Besides, neither the LPC nor NDP would take the chance on the level of voter outrage they'd face if they tried it anyway. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Perpetually.Wishfull thinking is believing that would ever happen. David Johnson is not Julian Byng. Besides, neither the LPC nor NDP would take the chance on the level of voter outrage they'd face if they tried it anyway. If the opposition defeat a Tory minority within weeks or even a few months of an election, the GG will ask one of them to fkrm a government, and the only outcry will come from Tory supporters. Quote
Triple M Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 Nanos preferred PM #s has Harper ahead but the Liberals are running 8 points ahead of their leader Quote
Bryan Posted October 3, 2015 Report Posted October 3, 2015 If the opposition defeat a Tory minority within weeks or even a few months of an election, the GG will ask one of them to fkrm a government, and the only outcry will come from Tory supporters. The Governor General will do whatever the Prime Minister "advises" him to do. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 The Governor General will do whatever the Prime Minister "advises" him to do. Good grief. A government that loses the confidence of Parliament no longer enjoy the right to advise the GG. Did you fail high school civics? This is a basic feature of a Westminster government. Quote
Bryan Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Good grief. A government that loses the confidence of Parliament no longer enjoy the right to advise the GG. Did you fail high school civics? This is a basic feature of a Westminster government. No, but clearly you did. That's NOT how our system works. The Prime Minister remains Prime Minister even if he loses confidence in the house, even if he loses a election. Nothing happens contrary to that unless he advises the GG to do it. Quote
ToadBrother Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 No, but clearly you did. That's NOT how our system works. The Prime Minister remains Prime Minister even if he loses confidence in the house, even if he loses a election. Nothing happens contrary to that unless he advises the GG to do it. At the loss of a confidence vote, a PM heads a caretaker government and can no longer advise the Governor General on the use of Prerogative like dissolution. You're just simply wrong. Quote
Bryan Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 At the loss of a confidence vote, a PM heads a caretaker government and can no longer advise the Governor General on the use of Prerogative like dissolution. You're just simply wrong. The GG absolutely will go to another election if the Prime Minister tells him to. Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 The GG absolutely will go to another election if the Prime Minister tells him to. And if that happens, I'm glad the Conservative warchest is nice and full. I do my part Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
jbg Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 To me, Harper's presenting style is bang on. Probably why he ranks the highest in the polls of "most PM like" He's had a lot of practice. Looks like he'll have more. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
jbg Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 And likely short lived. I don't think Trudeau is going to make the same mistake that Ignatieff did in 2009. Dion was still party leader when the end-around coalition was proposed. I think Iggy was voted party leader in late 2009 or early 2010. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
ReeferMadness Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 And if that happens, I'm glad the Conservative warchest is nice and full. I do my part It's so refreshing when people come out and admit that democracy is for sale. Go on out and buy a few buckets of it. Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
Shady Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 It's so refreshing when people come out and admit that democracy is for sale. Go on out and buy a few buckets of it. Nope. But it costs money to run ads, campaign across a very large country, pay staffers, etc. Quote
jbg Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 It's so refreshing when people come out and admit that democracy is for sale. Go on out and buy a few buckets of it. Your choice to have two parties on the Left when one would do just fine. The LPC is really not a centrist party, let's face it. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
nerve Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) The weird thing is I haven't seen a single conservative ad other than actionscam signs, all the ads I am seeing are liberal ads.... so that money clearly isn't targeting where I am (even if it would be a waste of money anyway as I would sooner drown to death in ketchup than vote for another Harper Regime).. unless they are putting out liberal campaign ads. Where are they buying ad time??? CBC?? Isn't that irony? US networks where? Where do you see these conservative ads? Or is that warchest all going to crack and hookers, or underage girls and bottle service (for the price of crack and hookers) Are they actually using that money on ads??? ps I am actually referring to http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/conservative-mp-rick-dykstra-denies-claim-he-bought-alcohol-for-underage-girls-at-nightclub Not actually insinuating they are paying for crack and hookers with the warchest. Edited October 4, 2015 by nerve Quote
angrypenguin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 On my phone. No Nanos survey today? Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
angrypenguin Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Nevermind. Ndp ouch. Quote My views are my own and not those of my employer.
waldo Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 Nevermind. Ndp ouch. per latest released Nanos overnight polling - for what any single poll is worth... Ontario shift (of that NDP percentage) appears... interesting Quote
cybercoma Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 No, but clearly you did. That's NOT how our system works. The Prime Minister remains Prime Minister even if he loses confidence in the house, even if he loses a election. Nothing happens contrary to that unless he advises the GG to do it. You need to look up the reserve powers and learn how the monarch, including the viceroy governor generals, are "custodians of the constitution." How can you comment with such stubborn confidence. It's amazing. Quote
cybercoma Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 At the loss of a confidence vote, a PM heads a caretaker government and can no longer advise the Governor General on the use of Prerogative like dissolution. You're just simply wrong. It's not even a misinterpretation. It's just completely and entirely wrong. Quote
CITIZEN_2015 Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) Liberals maintain their Lead (Nanos tracking poll released October 4) Nanos poll: Liberals trend up, NDP trend down, Conservatives steady Either NDP votes moving to Liberals as a result of strategic voting or the conservatives recent phrase of "Barbaric practices" and similar phrases is moving passionate Canadian hearts to Liberals as the only party to stop another extreme right take over. Meanwhile, regionally: The Liberals lead in Atlantic Canada, with 52.1 per cent support, and in Ontario with 44 per cent support. The Conservatives lead in the Prairies, with 51.6 per cent support. In British Columbia, there is a tight race between the NDP (34.9 per cent) and the Liberals (34.3 per cent). The NDP lead in Quebec with 32.9 per cent, but support continues to slide. In battleground Ontario Liberal support stands at 44%, conservatives at 34.8% and NDP at 18%. In Quebec NDP slide continues while Liberals gaining and conservatives steady. This poll is conducted a night after the latest French debate. Quebec-only chart The numbers past two days are not a statistical tie anymore. It is Liberals in the lead for the first time since general election was called . Edited October 4, 2015 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote
Bryan Posted October 4, 2015 Report Posted October 4, 2015 (edited) You need to look up the reserve powers and learn how the monarch, including the viceroy governor generals, are "custodians of the constitution." How can you comment with such stubborn confidence. It's amazing. You need to study history. The GG's "powers" are ceremonial. The one time the GG ever had the gall to assume his powers were real, it was kind of a big deal. Edited October 4, 2015 by Bryan Quote
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