Guest American Woman Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I think it's a semantic argument which is why I haven't plunged into it too deeply. Certainly, it does not "target" them. Whether it kills them "intentionally" is a matter of the interpretation of the word "intentional": I think that they are likely sometimes considered an acceptable side effect of an operation, if the target is of a high enough value. While not ideal, such side effects are morally acceptable in the defense of one's nation. This is of course the same consideration ANY country makes when carrying out military operations. It is the same in any country carrying out military operations, which I've pointed out myself. Any war has involved civilian casualty and it's impossible to avoid, but Israel does not target civilians, which is the bottom line. We're in agreement about that. As to whether or not it's acceptable, I think that every nation has accepted the consequences of their deliberate military operations, making Israel no different in that regard than any other nation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Dog Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I'm sure they care...but sometimes the value of the target outweighs the civilian loss....this is a principal outlined in the Geneva convention. They love their omelettes in Israel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 I'm sure they care...but sometimes the value of the target outweighs the civilian loss....this is a principal outlined in the Geneva convention. the terrorist groups probably believe the way you do, that the message and response to israel's occupation and treatment of palestinians outweighs the civilian loss that might occur during their attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 the terrorist groups probably believe the way you do, that the message and response to israel's occupation and treatment of palestinians outweighs the civilian loss that might occur during their attacks. You mean they think like you...unable to comprehend anything outside their narrow hate filled world view...but go ahead... explain the military importance of attacking a commuter bus. And stretch first, I wouldn't want you to pull a muscle defending a war crime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Watching the televised attack...the gunnery platforms flying through the air - spraying down a withering fire ...reminded me of the Israelis spraying coachroaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud Posted April 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 You mean they think like you wrong dancer. unlike you, i am against attacks that can kill civilians. i never try to justify them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 wrong dancer. unlike you, i am against attacks that can kill civilians. i never try to justify them. There is the collateral damage crowd. There is the civlized faction..using odd and fancey language does not remove from reality the fact that some poor old lady - some child - innocent hard working man - had their bodies blown to bits because some nerd at a computer could not shoot straight - nor cared. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 wrong dancer. unlike you, i am against attacks that can kill civilians. i never try to justify them. Sure you are. In fact, by denying Israel's inherent right to self defence, you promote attacks on civilians. But if you want to come clean and say you do in fact support Isreal's right to defend itself, which of course includes attacking terrorists even if they hide in their mothers closet in downtown Gaza, I will happily take back my statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oleg Bach Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Guess if someone came and harmed a family member I would quietly hunt them down. The problem with Israel is that everybody in the tribe is family - and revenge is mulitipied. Hence - kill one Jew - they kill ten non-Jews...it's a type of racist collective rage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippewa Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 GAZA - Israeli air strikes and shelling killed nine Palestinians in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday, medical officials said, in the deadliest day of conflict in the enclave in months. Palestinian medical officials said three youths aged 12, 16 and 17 who were playing football and an adult relative were killed by Israeli shelling, and five militants were killed later in two separate air strikes elsewhere in the Gaza Strip. more it's not okay to condemn the bus bombing that killed a civilian and then not condemn the shelling that killed civilians. the israeli government is no different than groups who order bus bombings. Canada likely paid for those bombs from all the cash they send over to Isreal. They are just as guilty as the rest. Isreal has been getting away with Genocide since the U.S gave them Weapons of Mass Destruction back in the late 40s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Canada likely paid for those bombs from all the cash they send over to Isreal. How much cash do we send...please provide a citation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Isreal has been getting away with Genocide since the U.S gave them Weapons of Mass Destruction back in the late 40s. Another citation please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Canada likely paid for those bombs from all the cash they send over to Isreal. They are just as guilty as the rest. Isreal has been getting away with Genocide since the U.S gave them Weapons of Mass Destruction back in the late 40s. The Americans didn't give Israel the Bomb. If they do have the Bomb, you can thank France and Dr Edward Teller. Canada has also never given 'cash to Israel' to buy bombs. But why let these wee problems get in the way of your hatred of Israel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippewa Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 How much cash do we send...please provide a citation 50 million a year. you can call it buying 2 loafs of bread, and 20 thousand bombs for all i care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 50 million a year. you can call it buying 2 loafs of bread, and 20 thousand bombs for all i care. Pulling a random number from beneath your loin cloth is not a citation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippewa Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 The Americans didn't give Israel the Bomb. If they do have the Bomb, you can thank France and Dr Edward Teller. Canada has also never given 'cash to Israel' to buy bombs. But why let these wee problems get in the way of your hatred of Israel? i don't hate anybody. That would be racist. besides, i don't think its racist when you hate everybody equally. jk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 i don't hate anybody. That would be racist. besides, i don't think its racist when you hate everybody equally. jk/ Let's see...Israel commiting "Genocide". What's your I luv Israel example of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippewa Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Pulling a random number from beneath your loin cloth is not a citation Nope. Its pasted over the canadian news once a year. This may also surprise you then. U.S.A gives Israel 25 billion a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippewa Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Let's see...Israel commiting "Genocide". What's your I luv Israel example of that? just watch al-jezera network sometime, or read the history or the news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.Dancer Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Nope. Its pasted over the canadian news once a year. Then feel free to provide a link to back up your claim. Oral history doesn't cut it here.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chippewa Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 Pulling a random number from beneath your loin cloth is not a citation Yep, under my loin cloth is a Chief Pounderhard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 just watch al-jezera network sometime, or read the history or the news. Give an example. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted April 5, 2011 Report Share Posted April 5, 2011 $25 billion a year, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonam Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 But why let these wee problems get in the way of your hatred of Israel? He is following in the footsteps of his fellow native Ahenakew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodyminded Posted April 6, 2011 Report Share Posted April 6, 2011 I doubt very much that Bonam's in agreement that Israel is targeting civilians. I'll await his response. Bonam is agreeing that civilian deaths are sometimes intentional. That was my argument; surprisingly, it appears to be extremely controversial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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