bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 That's right, the same sense of incredulity from listening to the usual suspect institutions of accountability. ...everything's fine nothing to look at here, move along... There is plenty to look at...in real time. Don't need anybody's added hysteria to spice up the story. The Japanese would be the first to kick such a hypester's ass. Lead, follow, or get out of the goddamn way. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Certainly does.....same fish out of water flopping about that we saw for the Gulf of Mexico oil spill. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE FROM TAINTED CRAWDADS! Chicken Little has met his match. Funny how big powerful nations, like the US and Japan can get "swamped" by their own Superiority Complex, and in much the same way... The US counted on some levies that failed to keep out water and people died... Japan counted on some sea walls that failed to keep out water and people died and are dying... Just maybe it's not a good idea to be too confident in mankind having all the right answers, eh... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
eyeball Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 There is plenty to look at...in real time. Don't need anybody's added hysteria to spice up the story. The Japanese would be the first to kick such a hypester's ass. Lead, follow, or get out of the goddamn way. Funny, that's just what your government told Americans in Japan to do. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Funny how big powerful nations, like the US and Japan can get "swamped" by their own Superiority Complex, and in much the same way... No balls...no blue chips. The US counted on some levies that failed to keep out water and people died... Many more lived. Care to tell us about the "superior" SARS fiasco or tainted blood in Canada? Japan counted on some sea walls that failed to keep out water and people died and are dying... See the design specifications....then buy a clue. Just maybe it's not a good idea to be too confident in mankind having all the right answers, eh... Sure...we'll just pray to God instead. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 I doubt it. A first world nation like Japan can treat cholera effectively and quickly. They will have more deaths from the flu. They can't even get adequate heating oil or clean water to the people in the affected zones. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 They can't even get adequate heating oil or clean water to the people in the affected zones. Neither could the most "powerful" nation on earth (e.g Katrina). This is not a step function...it takes time to ramp up relief efforts. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Funny how big powerful nations, like the US and Japan can get "swamped" by their own Superiority Complex, and in much the same way... The US counted on some levies that failed to keep out water and people died... Japan counted on some sea walls that failed to keep out water and people died and are dying... Just maybe it's not a good idea to be too confident in mankind having all the right answers, eh... I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. The earthquake in Japan was the seventh largest in recorded history. There's a level of disaster for which you simply cannot plan, or for which the economic costs of trying to mitigate are too enormous for even a wealthy nation. There seems to be this idea out there that governments are all-powerful entities that can, if they only want to, accomplish anything, and mitigate every natural or man-made catastrophe. It just isn't so. With Katrina, you have to blame the freaking French for building a major port on a low-lying delta, and all the people who decided to move there over the last few centuries. For Japan, well, I guess you just have to blame all those Asians for moving on to a geologically active group of islands and building a prosperous civilization. The fact is that with an earthquake as large as the one that hit Japan, there simply is no way to properly plan. It's probably in unsolvable engineering problem to design buildings that can withstand both a 9.0 earthquake and a 20 or 30 foot tsunami. It's pretty much impossible to save everyone who lives in coastal communities. And no matter what happens Japan is not blessed with vast reserves of fossil fuels or powerful rivers in such plenty that they can produce sufficient electricity to keep their economy going, so they have to turn to nuclear power, and that won't change after this earthquake either. Quote
eyeball Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 There seems to be this idea out there that governments are all-powerful entities that can, if they only want to, accomplish anything, and mitigate every natural or man-made catastrophe. It just isn't so. That's right, this idea has been put out there by the politicians and special interests that have a vested interest in hiding behind the idea. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Wilber Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 There is plenty to look at...in real time. Don't need anybody's added hysteria to spice up the story. The Japanese would be the first to kick such a hypester's ass. Lead, follow, or get out of the goddamn way. Exactly, wringing your hands and crying the sky is falling isn't going to help anyone. Get a grip and deal with reality, that's what those guys in those plants are doing. If nothing else, write a cheque to the Red Cross or some other agency working in that mess. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
GostHacked Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBXqiw6EJUk Quote
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 No balls...no blue chips. No game, no players... Many more lived. Care to tell us about the "superior" SARS fiasco or tainted blood in Canada? Care to tell us why YOUR Gov called SARS the flu and let thousands of Americans die without ever knowing they had SARS and doing NOTHING to prevent it's spread? See the design specifications....then buy a clue. Why? You feeling guilty? Sure...we'll just pray to God instead. Who's "God" would that be? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 I'm not sure what this is supposed to mean. The earthquake in Japan was the seventh largest in recorded history. There's a level of disaster for which you simply cannot plan, or for which the economic costs of trying to mitigate are too enormous for even a wealthy nation. There seems to be this idea out there that governments are all-powerful entities that can, if they only want to, accomplish anything, and mitigate every natural or man-made catastrophe. It just isn't so. With Katrina, you have to blame the freaking French for building a major port on a low-lying delta, and all the people who decided to move there over the last few centuries. For Japan, well, I guess you just have to blame all those Asians for moving on to a geologically active group of islands and building a prosperous civilization. The fact is that with an earthquake as large as the one that hit Japan, there simply is no way to properly plan. It's probably in unsolvable engineering problem to design buildings that can withstand both a 9.0 earthquake and a 20 or 30 foot tsunami. It's pretty much impossible to save everyone who lives in coastal communities. And no matter what happens Japan is not blessed with vast reserves of fossil fuels or powerful rivers in such plenty that they can produce sufficient electricity to keep their economy going, so they have to turn to nuclear power, and that won't change after this earthquake either. It means that anything and everything "man-made" nature can destroy and that "mankind" is powerless to prevent it... Nothing more, nothing less, that's just the way it is... Doesn't mean that "mankind" has to be completely stupid about it in the way they have been, does it? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 No game, no players... There will always be a game...and those who have game. Care to tell us why YOUR Gov called SARS the flu and let thousands of Americans die without ever knowing they had SARS and doing NOTHING to prevent it's spread? Yes, because like British Columbia, US federal and state officials didn't have their heads up their asses as in Ontario. Why? You feeling guilty? I never feel guilty over meeting design specifications + margin. Who's "God" would that be? Wall Street. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
ToadBrother Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 It means that anything and everything "man-made" nature can destroy and that "mankind" is powerless to prevent it... Nothing more, nothing less, that's just the way it is... Doesn't mean that "mankind" has to be completely stupid about it in the way they have been, does it? All things are compromises. As harsh as it sounds, and most governments won't admit it, even human life weighs on the scale. If you're Japan in the mid-1960s, with an exploding economy and a vast need for energy, you balance out the potential loss of life of a nuclear accident against the well-being that can be produced by increasing prosperity through readily-available energy. At the end of the day, these nuclear reactors have probably be responsible in an economic way for a helluva lot of prosperity, but there is the downside, the sort of the flipside of the equation, that that calculated risk is still a risk. What's the alternative? Live in huts? Quote
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 There will always be a game...and those who have game. There ya go, that's the difference, when it comes to the game of nature vs humanity, I bet on the WINNER, nature, every TIME... That way I can't lose... Yes, because like British Columbia, US federal and state officials didn't have their heads up their asses as in Ontario. Really? You see a difference between dying of the flu and dying of SARS? That's kinda strange... Especially since it resulted in a whole bunch of needless American deaths... Oh well, to each their own... I never feel guilty over meeting design specifications + margin. Typical Superiority Complex and there-in lies the problem... Wall Street. I asked "Who's?" not "what"... Kevin O'leary meet BC_2004, you have a lot in common... You both worship at the same alter... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 All things are compromises. As harsh as it sounds, and most governments won't admit it, even human life weighs on the scale. If you're Japan in the mid-1960s, with an exploding economy and a vast need for energy, you balance out the potential loss of life of a nuclear accident against the well-being that can be produced by increasing prosperity through readily-available energy. At the end of the day, these nuclear reactors have probably be responsible in an economic way for a helluva lot of prosperity, but there is the downside, the sort of the flipside of the equation, that that calculated risk is still a risk. What's the alternative? Live in huts? Sorry, you're asking the wrong entity... Those answers have to come from "people" far above my "pay-grade"... Maybe you should be asking THEM, that's why you pay them isn't it? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GostHacked Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPa6hwWy7x8 Edited March 17, 2011 by GostHacked Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 (edited) There ya go, that's the difference, when it comes to the game of nature vs humanity, I bet on the WINNER, nature, every TIME... That way I can't lose... Then the greatness in your mind would never have a pyramid to rest in. Really? You see a difference between dying of the flu and dying of SARS? That's kinda strange... Especially since it resulted in a whole bunch of needless American deaths... Americans die of flu on a routine basis, but never in such dramatic SARS fashion and incompetence. Typical Superiority Complex and there-in lies the problem... Typical inferiority complex and therein lies the difference. I asked "Who's?" not "what"... Kevin O'leary meet BC_2004, you have a lot in common... You both worship at the same alter... I'm sure he is a nice fellow even if I've never heard of him. Edited March 17, 2011 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
wyly Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Apparently there are now cases of diarrhea and related ailments, suggesting cholera or other water-borne infections. If a modern First World country like Japan, where probably no immune system in decades has come close to those kinds of nasty bugs, gets a cholera outbreak, the reactor problems will seem like small potatoes. diarrhea is also a symptom of radiation exposure or just anxiety which understandable in such a situation...I seriously doubt people are drinking the untreated standing water... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
wyly Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Many of you are still living in some sort of denial to how bad this situation is. Many of you who said it was not that bad at the start, have been proven wrong at every turn. Oh its not worse than 3 mile Island .. then got worse, ... oh it's not Chernobyl, and it's quickly approaching that stage. The US ships turned tail and ran, Japanese officials and other officials around the world are telling it's citizens to move out to an 80km radius. The spent fuel rods are exposed and causing major radiation, and this is 4 reactors and no just the single one in Chernobyl. now you understand how your denial of climate change appears in face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary...If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Then the greatness in your mind would never have a pyramid to rest in. Nice that you've come to recognize the greatness of my mind... You should therefore also know that the limited space of the largest Pyramid would never be adequate enough to contain it's power... Americans die of flu on a routine basis, but never in such dramatic SARS fashion and incompetence. Quite right which is what made the dramatic increase in "flu deaths" to cover-up that the US had been hit with a significant SARS outbreak relatively easy... Typical inferiority complex and therein lies the difference. Missed that by a country mile... Nothing "inferior" about this ALIEN being... You took my statement in the wrong direction... I'm sure he is a nice fellow even if I've never heard of him. Ooops, no CBC down there? Sorry, let me intruduce you to the boy > - Along with Amanda Lang, O'Leary co-hosts The Lang and O'Leary Exchange on CBC News Network where he can often be heard proclaiming his personal philosophy - "greed is good!". He is a venture capitalist on the Canadian version of Dragons' Den, which airs on CBC Television and CBC News Network, and a "shark" on the United States' version of Dragons' Den airing on ABC, Shark Tank. - He's a "money worshipper" of the first order... I'm sure you'd hit it off having that in common... - O’Leary’s aggressive, barking style, epitomized in his “greed is good” shout, which is aired so much that it has become part of CBC’s defining on-air identity, has been indulged by the corporation for years. Probably because his pro-business braying acts as a dam to halt accusations that the CBC is some lefty organization devoted to propping up David Suzuki’s environmentalism. - Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
wyly Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 - O’Leary’s aggressive, barking style, epitomized in his “greed is good” shout, which is aired so much that it has become part of CBC’s defining on-air identity, has been indulged by the corporation for years. Probably because his pro-business braying acts as a dam to halt accusations that the CBC is some lefty organization devoted to propping up David Suzuki’s environmentalism. - I'm not sure O'Leary is really such an ass or if he's just playing the scrooge role for the sake for the camera...one of the other dragons quitting the show had issues with the nastiness mean spirited nature of publicly humiliating people for ratings... Quote “Conservatives are not necessarily stupid, but most stupid people are conservatives.”- John Stuart Mill
bush_cheney2004 Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 Quite right which is what made the dramatic increase in "flu deaths" to cover-up that the US had been hit with a significant SARS outbreak relatively easy... SARS...Schmars...Ontario wasn't ready for prime time, and it showed. Missed that by a country mile... Nothing "inferior" about this ALIEN being... You took my statement in the wrong direction... That's what I do...oodles of fun. Ooops, no CBC down there? Sorry, let me intruduce you to the boy > Not very original....sounds like a Gordon Gecko wannabe. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
GWiz Posted March 17, 2011 Report Posted March 17, 2011 SARS...Schmars...Ontario wasn't ready for prime time, and it showed. Naaa, couldn't be, it's the centre of the universe don't you know... That's what I do...oodles of fun. Not much of a "player" are you? Not very original....sounds like a Gordon Gecko wannabe. OK, I'll bite... Who or what is a Gordon Gecko? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
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