delete

[Mr.Canada]

n/t

Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Michael Hardner]

This thread is pretty much a non-starter, isn't it ?

You would have to get stats for "violence" globally, and get agreement on what metrics to use.

You seem to use capital punishment as some kind of metric. If you're being intellectually honest, then we can use that - and for sure Saudi Arabia kills a lot of people. So does Pakistan. Who is in between them in ranking ? The USA of course. And China is at the top of the list.

Top 10 Nations for Execution 2008

That is how it is for 2008 anyway.

The problem I have is that you're going to start with a metric that assures you of an easy win for your argument, such as "number of people from each religion who commit violence because a cartoon was drawn about their holy prophet".

It's inescapable.

[DogOnPorch]

Islam = Peace.

[Michael Hardner]

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war." - George W. Bush

[DogOnPorch]

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war." - George W. Bush

Big fan of Bush when it suits?

[Scotty]

"The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam. That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war." - George W. Bush

Regardless of the mouthings of politicians, it is undeniable that a major difference between Christianity and Islam is that the former's prophet was a man of peace who could rarely be provoked to any kind of violence, while the latter's prophet was a conquering warrior prince who slaughtered large numbers of people without remorse. Jesus didn't try to convert people by violence. Muhammad certainly did. And a certain number of his descendants thus see little wrong with committing violence against heretics.

Now, no doubt someone will bring up the fact Christianity has had its violent phases as well. It certainly did. And if a religion begun by a prophet of peace can have its violent phases imagine how much more violent a religion begun by a mass murderer can be.

Islam stands for Submission. You are to submit your will to that of Allah, submit your life to His guidance and use. And if you don't want to, well, a goodly number of Muslims will force you to. It's always been that way.

[eyeball]

Big fan of Bush when it suits?

Big critic of Bush when it suits?

[Mr.Canada]

N/t

Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[Michael Hardner]

Big fan of Bush when it suits?

I'm a big fan of anybody who says the right thing.

Bush wasn't so bad. You won't find many posts where I eviscerate him.

[Michael Hardner]

Now, no doubt someone will bring up the fact Christianity has had its violent phases as well. It certainly did. And if a religion begun by a prophet of peace can have its violent phases imagine how much more violent a religion begun by a mass murderer can be.

Really ? He murdered people... or are you referring to battles he fought ?

[GostHacked]

What are you talking about? I put in one line about Saudi Arabia and then you make a strawman? Nice try and I'm sorry that you don't understand the thrust of my post.

How about gay thrusts?

Let me spell it out for those who don't understand what I am wondering.

I A M U N E D U C A T E D

Muslims today are more violent then any other religion. Muslims today are beheading people during kidnappings and by the various strict Islamic States.

I hear they are beheading other muslims.

Most people don't understand how Islam works.

Count yourself among them.

Many people also don't know that the Koran wasn't arranged in any real order when put together, its books were simply binded from shortest to the longest books. The ninth book is the only book of the Koran that doesn't begin wit ha blessing of Peace from Mohammad. It contains passages stating that true Muslims need to seek out and literally 'kill' Christians and Jews when they pass them.

The Bible is pretty violent as well.

I'll stop there for now until you guys catch up.

Just stop alltogether, there is no way you can catch up to the real world.

[Michael Hardner]

Muslims today are more violent then any other religion.

You can't prove that. I have tried to get others to prove it here and all I get back is posts of atrocities that have taken place here or there: that is anecdotal.

If you could prove it, you still wouldn't be able to prove that the religion does this, versus other factors such as the part of the world where they're from, the endemic war, poverty and so no.

Sorry, but far better than you on this board have tried and failed, utterly.

[GostHacked]

Sorry, but far better than you on this board have tried and failed, utterly.

Quite right, we've seen it before, we will see it again. Most of the othe posters who've tried, either were banned, or went on to other forums.

[Mr.Canada]

So far just silly attacks on me. Try disputing the bulk of my post. You all cannot because it's fact and you know it. So resume your personal attacks it only strengthens me.

I knew it would be a waste of time to try to have a real discussion here at MLW. Just forget it go back to being sheep and believing that Muslims are just like 'little house on the prairie'. Baa

Man even the slightest deviation from the politically correct programming and I'm met with this.

It's like I have to go line by line or else people will purposely ignore everything else...lol.

I won't bother anymore.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Mr.Canada

[GostHacked]

So far just silly attacks on me. Try disputing the bulk of my post. You all cannot because it's fact and you know it. So resume your personal attacks it only strengthens me.

Since you have not posted any kind of facts, there really is nothing to dispute.

I knew it would be a waste of time to try to have a real discussion here at MLW. Just forget it go back to being sheep and believing that Muslims are just like 'little house on the prairie'. Baa

Automobile accidents/wrecks are far more violent than the Muslims, and kill far more amount of people per year than ... 9/11.

Should we ban cars?

[Mr.Canada]

Since you have not posted any kind of facts, there really is nothing to dispute.

The prophet Mohammad wiped out the 3 tribes of Jews From Saudi Arabia largely by beheading. He personally beheaded 600-900 of them.

There are two parts of the Koran, Mecca and Medina. Mecca contains all the peaceful passages that politicians like to quote as it was written while Mohammad lived along side Jews And Christians and had no real political power. Medina was written while Mohammad had considerable power and was conquering and deals more with violence and war like themes.

There is also another book used to understand the Koran called the Hadith which explains Jihad. While it's true that the term Jihad means "my struggle", Mein Kempf translates to the exact same thing "my struggle".

That's three facts that I earlier posted.

[eyeball]

Regardless of the mouthings of politicians, it is undeniable that a major difference between Christianity and Islam is that the former's prophet was a man of peace who could rarely be provoked to any kind of violence, while the latter's prophet was a conquering warrior prince who slaughtered large numbers of people without remorse. Jesus didn't try to convert people by violence. Muhammad certainly did. And a certain number of his descendants thus see little wrong with committing violence against heretics.

Wait a minute I thought the former's prophet was also the very same God that horribly smote He only knows how many human lives for doing things like...masturbating or not worshipping Him. You should see the picture Morris has of an example of God making some poor bastard's stomach coming out of his bum. I can't remember why - some trifling affront to God or the local priesthood probably.

But but but Muhammed...seems really really really lame.

Now, no doubt someone will bring up the fact Christianity has had its violent phases as well. It certainly did. And if a religion begun by a prophet of peace can have its violent phases imagine how much more violent a religion begun by a mass murderer can be.

But that's just it Christianity WAS started by a mass murderer. I'll concede that God/Jesus must have seen the light somewhere along the way and decided to clean up His/Their act. I don't know if there's a connection between that and Christian nations evolving towards democracy sooner than Muslim nations, but given Muslim countries like Iran in 1953 for example, were in fact evolving in that direction it stands to reason that Mohammed like Jesus also saw the light. It's to bad a bunch of Latter Day Crusaders came along and tried to blow out that light but just look how its still sputtering and perhaps flaring back to life in places now.

Islam stands for Submission. You are to submit your will to that of Allah, submit your life to His guidance and use. And if you don't want to, well, a goodly number of Muslims will force you to. It's always been that way.

Yeah well, go tell that to the millions and millions of human beings and victims of the dictatorships many Christian nations helped to prop up the last 50 - 60 years.

By the way, I'm still pretty certain that if I refuse to submit to or accept the will of Jesus or George W. Bush into my life that I'm doomed to burn in hell for all eternity. So much for free will eh?

[GostHacked]

The prophet Mohammad wiped out the 3 tribes of Jews From Saudi Arabia largely by beheading. He personally beheaded 600-900 of them.

But yet Christianity's violent past is irrelevant. Gotcha.

There are two parts of the Koran, Mecca and Medina. Mecca contains all the peaceful passages that politicians like to quote as it was written while Mohammad lived along side Jews And Christians and had no real political power. Medina was written while Mohammad had considerable power and was conquering and deals more with violence and war like themes.

There is also another book used to understand the Koran called the Hadith which explains Jihad. While it's true that the term Jihad means "my struggle", Mein Kempf translates to the exact same thing "my struggle".

That's three facts that I earlier posted.

Good attempt at Nazis=Muslims though. Keep trying.

[Shwa]

And if you don't want to, well, a goodly number of Muslims will force you to. It's always been that way.

Really? Not in my neighbourhood. Heck not even in my city, province or even country. A good number of Muslims obey the law and go about their business like a goodly number of Christians do. Why, they are like that is the US too.

If you really want to look at sheer violence and terror, look no further than Europe during the 20th century. All those Christian countries committing unspeakable acts upon one another to the tune of millions upon millions dead.

[Mr.Canada]

But yet Christianity's violent past is irrelevant. Gotcha.

This thread is about Islam.

Good attempt at Nazis=Muslims though. Keep trying.

What I said is absolutely true.

[Mr.Canada]

Really? Not in my neighbourhood. Heck not even in my city, province or even country. A good number of Muslims obey the law and go about their business like a goodly number of Christians do. Why, they are like that is the US too.

If you really want to look at sheer violence and terror, look no further than Europe during the 20th century. All those Christian countries committing unspeakable acts upon one another to the tune of millions upon millions dead.

The fundamentalist Muslim doesn't believe these to be good Muslims at all but to be going against Allah(Mohammad).

Agai, this thread is about Islam. No strawmen please.

[Shwa]

The prophet Mohammad wiped out the 3 tribes of Jews From Saudi Arabia largely by beheading. He personally beheaded 600-900 of them.

There are two parts of the Koran, Mecca and Medina. Mecca contains all the peaceful passages that politicians like to quote as it was written while Mohammad lived along side Jews And Christians and had no real political power. Medina was written while Mohammad had considerable power and was conquering and deals more with violence and war like themes.

There is also another book used to understand the Koran called the Hadith which explains Jihad. While it's true that the term Jihad means "my struggle", Mein Kempf translates to the exact same thing "my struggle".

That's three facts that I earlier posted.

Radovan Karadzic, the Christian vesus the Muslims in Serbia

The massacre of around 8,000 Muslims in Srebrenica in July 1995 stands out as the worst carnage of the Bosnian war and the largest mass murder in Europe since the Second World War.

The events in the Bosnian town, classed as genocide by the International Court of Justice and the UN War Crimes Tribunal, feature in the 15 counts faced by Radovan Karadzic of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other atrocities committed between 1992 and 1996.

No Holy Book required for these facts.

Edited March 11, 2011 by Shwa

[Shwa]

The fundamentalist Muslim doesn't believe these to be good Muslims at all but to be going against Allah(Mohammad).

Agai, this thread is about Islam. No strawmen please.

Not strawman, I am just giving you "the facts." Let me fix it for you:

Really? Not in my neighbourhood. Heck not even in my city, province or even country. A good number of fundamentalist Muslims obey the law and go about their business like a goodly number of Christians do. Why, they are like that is the US too.

If you really want to look at sheer violence and terror, look no further than Europe during the 20th century. All those Christian countries committing unspeakable acts upon one another to the tune of millions upon millions dead.

[GostHacked]

The fundamentalist Muslim doesn't believe these to be good Muslims at all but to be going against Allah(Mohammad).

Agai, this thread is about Islam. No strawmen please.

This thread is a strawman.

[Topaz]

Which king or queen of England said "Off with their heads"? They weren't muslim either. Violence is in everything race.