Would the liberals win with LeBlanc as leader?

Jack Weber · February 22, 2011

I don't. Ignatieff is incompetent. He has driven me to cut up my red card. I will never again be part of the Liberal Party of Canada, as they continue to support this incompetent leader. Like or not, the Harper Conservatives are the only game in town right now. The Liberals are an embarrassment, and the NDP is....the NDP (and I have and will again vote NDP provincially in Manitoba). The Conservatives will probably get a majority in the election that's coming up, and you know what? They deserve. Not because of anything that they've done (there are some constitutional and parliamentary abuses that I have) but because the other guys aren't even an option.

All that said, the Conservatives, as managers, are really quite good. The deficit isn't very big as a percentage of GDP and is shrinking. The economy really picked up after the recession, and it appears to be picking up again after a slump. There's no reason for a change right now, and even if there was, there isn't an alternative.

If these Reformers get a majority,and that would through the abject incompetence of the "opposition",this country will get what it deserves...

That's not a good thing,by the way...

Edited February 22, 2011 by Jack Weber

Jack Weber · February 22, 2011

All the leaders suck!

Yep!

Smallc · February 22, 2011

If these Reformer get a majority,and that would through the abject incompetence of the "opposition",this country will get what it deserves...

That's not a good thing,by the way...

I don't know if Harper will let the reform side out. I think he knows that He can't afford it. He and Flaherty, I think, have become Progressive Conservatives.

Mr.Canada · February 22, 2011

I don't know if Harper will let the reform side out. I think he knows that He can't afford it. He and Flaherty, I think, have become Progressive Conservatives.

I completely agree with you smallc. The Conservative Party has honestly morphed into the PC's. I don't see anything extreme about this Tory party at all. I don't like the proposed cannabis legislation, I think we're moving backwards on that, other then that one they're very tame.

GWiz · February 22, 2011

I don't. Ignatieff is incompetent. He has driven me to cut up my red card. I will never again be part of the Liberal Party of Canada, as they continue to support this incompetent leader. Like or not, the Harper Conservatives are the only game in town right now. The Liberals are an embarrassment, and the NDP is....the NDP (and I have and will again vote NDP provincially in Manitoba). The Conservatives will probably get a majority in the election that's coming up, and you know what? They deserve. Not because of anything that they've done (there are some constitutional and parliamentary abuses that I have) but because the other guys aren't even an option.

All that said, the Conservatives, as managers, are really quite good. The deficit isn't very big as a percentage of GDP and is shrinking. The economy really picked up after the recession, and it appears to be picking up again after a slump. There's no reason for a change right now, and even if there was, there isn't an alternative.

No problem, that's called DEMOCRACY... To each their own...

I can think of many reasons why I won't consider voting for a Government that calls itself "conservative" and then spends our tax dollars like a drunken sailor with borrowed money from abroad and giving us the highest deficit in Canadian history doing it... But as I said, to each their own...

Jack Weber · February 22, 2011

I don't know if Harper will let the reform side out. I think he knows that He can't afford it. He and Flaherty, I think, have become Progressive Conservatives.

Hopefully,we'll never find out..

But I have a hard time believing,within the relatively unfettered region of a majority government,a leopard can really change his spots

jbg · February 22, 2011

Title: Would the liberals win with LeBlanc as leader? Just a question if the liberal polling is related to Iggnatieff Ignatieff
Ingatieff Ignatieff is the best man (0 votes [0.00%])

Percentage of vote: 0.00%

They'd do better with Stephane Dione (0 votes [0.00%])

Percentage of vote: 0.00%

Harper should rejoin the liberals and show them how it is done

Learn to spell. Edited February 22, 2011 by jbg

capricorn · February 22, 2011

As for Justin Trudeau he needs work.

He's trying. Notice the facial hair? It helps 'cause he has a baby face and the fuzz makes him look more mature.

GWiz · February 22, 2011

He's trying. Notice the facial hair? It helps 'cause he has a baby face and the fuzz makes him look more mature.

So true, BUT (even though he's married with 2 kids) think of the LADIES that "baby face" can bring into the BIG RED TENT...

Posc Student · February 22, 2011

He's trying. Notice the facial hair? It helps 'cause he has a baby face and the fuzz makes him look more mature.

Yes I'm sure that's why he hasn't shaved, he's planning a leadership bid.

jbg · February 22, 2011

We are? Really? This is the BEST Canada can do - plod along quite nicely? This is what a Harper Government has to offer?

With a minority government it's better than Sponsorship, Bombardier, and the tumult of Meech Lake, Charlottetown, GST, Charter of No Rights and Arbitrary Freedoms, Officious Language Act, gutting and defunding reorganization of the military, creation of multiculturalism. Act least, as the Hypocratic Oath mandates, he's "done no harm". Quite an accomplishment when you look back to the likes of Trudeau, Clark, Mulroney, Campbell, Chretien and Martin.

In fact, I think he may be Canada's greatest PM since Macdonald.

Edited February 22, 2011 by jbg

Wild Bill · February 22, 2011

Awww Bill, you almost had me fooled into believing you were a "closet Liberal" that was only waiting for the right reason to rejoin "the Big Red Tent"...

But, nay, you are after all exactly what you seem to be, a common CON fomenting a battle between the "dangerous" to CON aspirations Liberals and the non threating NDP but good surrogates in attacking Liberals to achieve the desired wins in weak non CON ridings especially in Ontario...

For the thousandth time, I'm NOT a Conservative! You modern Liberals are so vague, wishy-washy and opportunistic in your ideology that you can't even recognize a classic Liberal anymore!

I started off voting Liberal. My first vote cast was for Trudeau. I didn't move my political position. The Liberal Party did! Trudeau started its movement away from its roots and subsequent leaders have just accelerated it.

After nearly 40 years I've given up seeing "the right reason to rejoin "the Big Red Tent". I wouldn't turn my nose up if it happened but I'd be a fool to hold my breath. I'm speaking the truth when I say that I support Harper only because his party smells the least! They all smell but the Opposition parties really reek as far as I'm concerned. IMHO, the Liberals are about as principled as an ambulance-chasing lawyer. The NDP are still too socialistic for my tastes. The Conservatives are really not much different from the Liberals but at least they haven't been caught stealing any money from us! They also seem to be trying to give our soldiers some modern weapons, instead of sending them out with Lee-Enfields against better-armed third world countries. Not much overall but enough for me to tip the scales.

You seem to have a more "digital" view, i.e. "on or off". You like the Liberals. You don't like the Conservatives. That's about as deep as it goes, it seems.

In my world view, it's entirely realistic to see deep flaws and virtues in ANY party! If and when the Liberals finally get their act together I could be pleased to vote for them but as I said, I won't hold my breath. I've been waiting too long to have much confidence it's going to happen before this election!

Finally, I could NEVER vote for Ignatieff, unless Harper got caught in a child molestation scandal or something else ludicrously unlikely!

Edited February 22, 2011 by Wild Bill

Posc Student · February 22, 2011

With a minority government it's better than Sponsorship, Bombardier, and the tumult of Meech Lake, Charlottetown, GST, Charter of No Rights and Arbitrary Freedoms, Officious Language Act, gutting and defunding reorganization of the military, creation of multiculturalism. Act least, as the Hypocratic Oath mandates, he's "done no harm". Quite an accomplishment when you look back to the likes of Trudeau, Clark, Mulroney, Campbell, Chretien and Martin.

In fact, I think he may be Canada's greatest PM since Macdonald.

Why because he hasn't tried to do anything significant?

Wild Bill · February 22, 2011

Two things my friend...

1. I'm not running for office...

2. It's my personal opinion about what's BEST for Canada and Canadians and in turn actually what's best for ALL the provinces and Territories within Canada...

The have, have not, province thing is bad for all provinces because a "have" province like Alberta ends up financing the deficit of a so called "have not" province like Manitoba (Prov. NDP's fault ) that's a lose - lose proposition that can be turned into a win - win...

I know it's not that simple to do but it is doable to everyone's benefit...

But, as I said, I'm not running for office, so it's just my ideas which may end up in a book someday...

BTW - "Towards a just society" by PET is a hell of a good read if anybody cares...

You're entitled to your ideas and opinions but when you cross that mental line where you are convinced that they are all absolutely gospel...the crazy man never questions his own sanity!

Anyhow, at the time of the NEP, Alberta WASN'T a "have" province! They were trying to become one and the Liberal government of the day destroyed that hope. It's taken them over a quarter of a century to recover.

Tell you what! We both agree about Dief and the Arrow. Why can't we both accept that the NEP screwed Alberta?

GWiz · February 22, 2011

You're entitled to your ideas and opinions but when you cross that mental line where you are convinced that they are all absolutely gospel...the crazy man never questions his own sanity!

Anyhow, at the time of the NEP, Alberta WASN'T a "have" province! They were trying to become one and the Liberal government of the day destroyed that hope. It's taken them over a quarter of a century to recover.

Tell you what! We both agree about Dief and the Arrow. Why can't we both accept that the NEP screwed Alberta?

Ummm, because it didn't and because I have a somewhat different viewpoint about Trudeau and pretty much everything he did and can understand the reasoning for WHY he did the things he did including the National Energy Policy...

IMO, which is thankfully shared by a great number of Canadians, Pierre Elliot Trudeau was the LAST Canadian Prime Minister that CARED more about Canada and Canadians than he did about seats and POWER in Parliament... Just MAYBE his son Justin can bring THAT concept back, even a little, someday...

Regarding NEP, it was never about Alberta, or ANY province, it was about a NATIONAL identity and how that NATION, Canada, could BEST attain it's unbelievable potential.... To be all that Canada could be... Not being able to achieve that because of the narrow mindedness and GREED by some people is something that ALL Canadians have paid quite dearly for to this very day...

jbg · February 22, 2011

Regarding NEP, it was never about Alberta, or ANY province, it was about a NATIONAL identity and how that NATION, Canada, could BEST attain it's unbelievable potential.... To be all that Canada could be... Not being able to achieve that because of the narrow mindedness and GREED by some people is something that ALL Canadians have paid quite dearly for to this very day...

Need I educate you on the fact that resources are a provincial matter, not Federal, under the British North America Act? socialist Quebec Canada had no right to stick its paws into Alberta's resources.

Smallc · February 22, 2011

Need I educate you on the fact that resources are a provincial matter, not Federal, under the British North America Act? socialist Quebec Canada had no right to stick its paws into Alberta's resources.

It isn't really that simple though. Exports, imports, interprovincial regulations and programs, are all partly federal responsibility. Our Constitution is very much one of interpretation based on circumstance.

Posc Student · February 22, 2011

Need I educate you on the fact that resources are a provincial matter, not Federal, under the British North America Act? socialist Quebec Canada had no right to stick its paws into Alberta's resources.

Yet they can stick their paws in if it's off the coast.

GWiz · February 22, 2011

Need I educate you on the fact that resources are a provincial matter, not Federal, under the British North America Act? socialist Quebec Canada had no right to stick its paws into Alberta's resources.

And this matters to you why? I should care what you think about a Canadian identity issue why?

BTW I don't give a damn what you think about anything... I've seen your Facebook page and you and I have NOTHING in common, just be glad you're not in Canada, or are you, since you'd be breaking some laws up here with that Facebook page... You are nothing like what you say you are...

bush_cheney2004 · February 22, 2011

And this matters to you why? I should care what you think about a Canadian identity issue why?

LOL! Now this is certainly a change from the norm around here! TeeHee!

jbg · February 22, 2011

And this matters to you why? I should care what you think about a Canadian identity issue why?

My family lost a fair amount of money in Dome Petroleum in the wake of the NEP. That, and the evisceration of the Montreal Jewish community after the 1976 Quebec elections largely sparked my interest in Canada. As well as some very good times as a tourist in Canada and skiing with Canadians at Smugglers Notch in Vermont and Banff in Alberta.

BTW I don't give a damn what you think about anything... I've seen your Facebook page and you and I have NOTHING in common, just be glad you're not in Canada, or are you, since you'd be breaking some laws up here with that Facebook page... You are nothing like what you say you are...

I don't post mucn information about myself in my Facebook page online. Edited February 22, 2011 by jbg

Charles Anthony · February 22, 2011

Guys,

Stop making the discussions personal.

Just focus on the topic or do not post at all.

Ch. A.

Shwa · February 22, 2011

I take it you're not a Liberal and have never been to Ken Dryden's website and certainly not during the last leadership race nor have you spoken to him one on one as I have where you realize how "in touch" with current Canadian values and ideals (read most Canadians) (certainly mine which is why I'd support him again) he is...

Ken Dryden

ps - No "baggage" what-so-ever...

I'm not Ken Dryden either.

But yeah I am a card-less Liberal at this point. (I refuse to get a card because our local candidates have been as useful as... well, Ken Dryden)

I am sure he is a smart, amiable man. My experience of him comes through other channels and he came across as bewildered and clumsy. Very Dion-like. Mind you, since that experience - which I wrote him off as potential PM material - I haven't bothered with him. That was a few years ago. I'll keep an open mind and check out his website. Hopefully there will be some killer instinct there, which was completely missing last time around and is completely missing from the LPC today.

We don't need anymore cerebral pussycats.

GWiz · February 22, 2011

I'm not Ken Dryden either.

But yeah I am a card-less Liberal at this point. (I refuse to get a card because our local candidates have been as useful as... well, Ken Dryden)

I am sure he is a smart, amiable man. My experience of him comes through other channels and he came across as bewildered and clumsy. Very Dion-like. Mind you, since that experience - which I wrote him off as potential PM material - I haven't bothered with him. That was a few years ago. I'll keep an open mind and check out his website. Hopefully there will be some killer instinct there, which was completely missing last time around and is completely missing from the LPC today.

We don't need anymore cerebral pussycats.

I have to agree... I too would like to see a little, make that a lot, more fire coming from the Liberal side of the isle...

I'm also equally card-less and it's because I'm waiting for the behind the scene "brainthrust" of the Liberal party to depart and be replaced with people that understand that things have changed since the '80s when these people came in with the Chretien-Martin era... They suck quite frankly and are a big part of the reason the "Leadership conventions" (Dion and Ignatieff) became such a farce... As well as HORRIBLE campaign strategies that left Canadians cold...

Ignatieff is way too Obama like and pragmatic to be a successful politician... Politics is a blood sport and the current crop of Liberals including their Leader haven't yet learned how to fight in that kind of arena...

Wild Bill · February 22, 2011

Regarding NEP, it was never about Alberta, or ANY province, it was about a NATIONAL identity and how that NATION, Canada, could BEST attain it's unbelievable potential.... To be all that Canada could be... Not being able to achieve that because of the narrow mindedness and GREED by some people is something that ALL Canadians have paid quite dearly for to this very day...

Well, if that was the case, why did the Albertan economy collapse immediately after the NEP was enacted? Why did all the oil rigs pull out? Why did the Calgary commercial office space vacancy rate jump to nearly 33% in just a few months?

Why did so many people lose their jobs and their homes?

If this was an example of "all about attaining it's unbelievable potential..." then you and I have very different bench marks with which to measure. I have this vivid mental picture of PET addressing the laid-off workers in Calgary, wearing a Jedi robe and with ears like Yoda, saying "Just DO! There is no TRY!"