guyser Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 While Ignatieff is grandstanding in the House against a 7 million dollar saving for Canadian taxpayers by cutting funding to Kairos, what Canadians think is important and want answers from Ignatieff, the next time he is on his feet in the House is What is Ignatieff's reply to Gilles Duceppe and the Bloc who are demanding $5-billion for Quebec, including $2.2-billion to compensate the province for harmonizing its provincial sales tax with the federal goods and services tax or they will precipitate a 350 million dollar election. also Judge Gomery, acting on behalf of Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin, to get to the bottom of Adscam scandal, found Liberals guilty of stealing 40 million dollars, and ordered them to repay the Canadian taxpayer the money. When can the Canadian taxpayer expect the 40 million dollar payment? Wonder where I read this same stuff.....hmmm.... Quote
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Actually we want to be about blue liberalism and red toryism since those are commodities which are needed in today's society The electorate will decide what is needed. And they were not too kind to Joe Clark or Kim Campbell. Like Charest, they could turn Liberal on a dime. Quote
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Ummm, right after Mulroney pays back all the money, cost of inquiries and FALSELY suing Canada he PERSONALLY swindled Canadians out of? According to His Honour Judge Jean Chretien? Why not spend another gazzilion dollars and sue Mulroney again and again.... So Mulroney can take more of our tax dollar and laugh all the way to the bank. Quote
GWiz Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 (edited) It was just about two comments above yours it is the Green Party, some of the Liberals but the majority went to the Conservative Party. You know how their party is CPC people think that PC part of it means that they are the successors to the old PCers but they are neoconservatives and they are not one nation conservatives who govern for the majority of Canadians have an all-of-the-above approach to tackling the debt and deficit including raising taxes on consumption. The PCers were liberal conservatives, one nation conservatives and neoliberalism and believed in small government but not to the detriment of the most vulnerable. Therefore they were progressive on social policy but believed in the private sector being strong on the economy which I am truly in favour of and if Canadians were given this option it would mean a strong moderate conservative party across the country namely in the Maritimes, Quebec and Ontario and BC and would replace Liberal support in Western Canada as the default blue liberal party/red tory party. In answering your question, I think this party is needed to give competition across the country, increase voter turnout, be about middle grounds and compromise, have a strong law and order policy, cut in programs that are not serving the Canadian people but investing in areas that will help the most vulnerable but be done in a way that is fiscally responsible. We also believe in choice for child care, we believe about securing our borders, North and coasts and we also believe in having mandatory minimums while at the same time being about rehabilitation and education programs to ensure that people who did not commit violent or repeat crimes get a second chance and get rehabilitated properly and we also want educational programs to ensure our youth don't get caught in that cycle of crime. We also want to make sure the most vulnerable in society get the help they need. In terms of health care and education we want those areas to be essential programs which can never be touched. Obviously we want health care to be reformed so it works more efficiently but in some areas we could see expansion to ensure that the poor are covered. We also want to ensure that all people in society have a secure retirement so we want to ensure that the CPP works for everyone and we want to make sure there is a supplementary pension plan for those who wish to not be part of that system or for people wanting to save extra money. On foreign affairs we believe in a balanced approach and that means we want to ensure that democracy and avoiding war at all costs is part of our agenda. We want to ensure that we have a two state solution on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. We want to make sure that aid is given to troublesome areas and war-torn areas. We believe that war is necessary in certain cases but very rarely. We want bases in Canada to protect certain areas like our North. We believe in abortion but we need to make incentives to ensure that adoptions happen and so people can adopt children in society. We believe in gay marriage and tolerance and we are a party that will always speak for acceptance of others. We believe in peacekeeping as our traditional method of promoting peace. We want to make sure that areas that are the most affected need peacekeepers to help protect the peace and maintain order. We believe in lower taxes for small and medium sized businesses and we believe small business is the driving force of our economy. For corporate taxes, we think the corporate tax rate needs to be stable and change if we have done enough consultation but of course we want lower taxes for income taxes and small business taxes. The debt means a lot to us and this means that we have to take an all of the above approach to ensuring that debt is paid off. We think that poverty is something that can deter crime and if money goes into investing in poverty we think that it will pay off in the long run and it can help in reducing crime. We think for crime we need an all-of-the-above approach to tackling it. It must be done responsibly and taxpayer money must be taken into account. This is what I feel would equal someone who is a blue liberal/red tory and this is what we want to base our party after. We feel many Canadians would choose this party over the ones currently in Ottawa and this party would use these approaches to ensure that we have a better society for everyone. This party would fall between the two major parties but of course since we are fiscally responsible and socially progressive we think these policies do not have to be set in stone. Thank you and I look forward to a reply. Don't you have your own thread to take this discussion to? OR maybe you're more interested in deflecting any criticism away from the current cons... In short NO DIFFERENT than the CONS we already have to deal with, as I said before, no thanks... Edited February 16, 2011 by GWiz Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Well they were similar threads and it would not be the first time people have done it so I stand by what I did. People can also ignore it. Quote
madmax Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 24 hours later Cons are circling the wagons... Prime Minister Harper think Odas Falsifying documents is a "good thing". Of course, we knew when there was no good spin to come out of this, the CPC would come up with something rediculous and hope it drifts away. Oda's transgressions were far and above worse then the 26 year Conservative MP the Cons kicked, because he dared to hold onto his principles for a single vote. Quality people are turfed. Fabricators and Falsifiers are Kept. Quote
madmax Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 The Level headed Conservatives have headed for the hills on Maple Leaf Web. Meanwhile, the spinners will be posting anything to distract from Oda, until the storm blows over. I have no idea why they didn't "Cut Bait". She or anyone else could win as a Conservative in her riding. Oda is not an important person. Just a liability. Quote
Wild Bill Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 24 hours later Cons are circling the wagons... Prime Minister Harper think Odas Falsifying documents is a "good thing". Of course, we knew when there was no good spin to come out of this, the CPC would come up with something rediculous and hope it drifts away. Oda's transgressions were far and above worse then the 26 year Conservative MP the Cons kicked, because he dared to hold onto his principles for a single vote. Quality people are turfed. Fabricators and Falsifiers are Kept. Hey Max, I still haven't forgiven Harper for ousting Garth Turner! While I do think this scandal won't have much effect on the price of eggs (Canadian scandals are always so BORING!) it does show a consistent flaw in Harper's leadership. He always seems to start off by minimizing the problem, shielding his member from the attacks. His initial reaction is to stand by his people, which I find commendable. However, if the flak keeps building and won't die down, at a certain point he will just throw the unfortunate member to the wolves! Hell, the member doesn't really have to have done anything themselves. We've seen him turf an MP because she was married to someone in hot water! That's NOT commendable! It all shows that he is not acting out of principle but merely for the political optics. When he acts like this as far as I'm concerned he might as well be a Liberal! Quote "A government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul." -- George Bernard Shaw "There is no point in being difficult when, with a little extra effort, you can be completely impossible."
madmax Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Hey Max, I still haven't forgiven Harper for ousting Garth Turner! While I do think this scandal won't have much effect on the price of eggs (Canadian scandals are always so BORING!) it does show a consistent flaw in Harper's leadership. He always seems to start off by minimizing the problem, shielding his member from the attacks. His initial reaction is to stand by his people, which I find commendable. However, if the flak keeps building and won't die down, at a certain point he will just throw the unfortunate member to the wolves! Hell, the member doesn't really have to have done anything themselves. We've seen him turf an MP because she was married to someone in hot water! That's NOT commendable! It all shows that he is not acting out of principle but merely for the political optics. When he acts like this as far as I'm concerned he might as well be a Liberal! I think its a simple as you put it. (As for Garth Turner, LOL, he is a different kettle of fish, and I think Garth is proud of any organization that turfs him lol) But Bill Casey definitely didn't deserve to be turfed because he disagreed with one policy that was reversed and affected his constituents directly. Yes it was a budget, and good for him for holding his ground. The price he paid reflected more on Harper then on Casey. Quote
GWiz Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Hey Max, I still haven't forgiven Harper for ousting Garth Turner! While I do think this scandal won't have much effect on the price of eggs (Canadian scandals are always so BORING!) it does show a consistent flaw in Harper's leadership. He always seems to start off by minimizing the problem, shielding his member from the attacks. His initial reaction is to stand by his people, which I find commendable. However, if the flak keeps building and won't die down, at a certain point he will just throw the unfortunate member to the wolves! Hell, the member doesn't really have to have done anything themselves. We've seen him turf an MP because she was married to someone in hot water! That's NOT commendable! It all shows that he is not acting out of principle but merely for the political optics. When he acts like this as far as I'm concerned he might as well be a Liberal! Awww common Bill, what have 'Liberals" ever done to you that was so bad? You're just stuck on the name "conservative" even though the Liberals have often proven themselves to be far more "fiscally CONSERVATIVE" than the CONS... But hey, as they say, to each their own... BTW, Remember that little matter of when that CON MP left his secret documents that were never to leave the office on his girlfriend's kitchen table and those documents became public? What was his name again? A QUEBEC MP I believe... Whatever happened to him? Surely he got turfed big TIME and will never run again, right? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Shakeyhands Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Where has Harper abetted and covered up anything, also read the link re: Bob Rae Please.... Harper allowed the lie to continue through the committee and up until now. Now he says she did a good thing. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
Shakeyhands Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Chas, can we merge the two threads? People are double posting comments and it's getting silly. Quote "They muddy the water, to make it seem deep." - Friedrich Nietzsche
GWiz Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 While Ignatieff is grandstanding in the House against a 7 million dollar saving for Canadian taxpayers by cutting funding to Kairos, what Canadians think is important and want answers from Ignatieff, the next time he is on his feet in the House is What is Ignatieff's reply to Gilles Duceppe and the Bloc who are demanding $5-billion for Quebec, including $2.2-billion to compensate the province for harmonizing its provincial sales tax with the federal goods and services tax or they will precipitate a 350 million dollar election. also Judge Gomery, acting on behalf of Liberal Prime Minister Paul Martin, to get to the bottom of Adscam scandal, found Liberals guilty of stealing 40 million dollars, and ordered them to repay the Canadian taxpayer the money. When can the Canadian taxpayer expect the 40 million dollar payment? Asked and answered by me on the other thread... Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
capricorn Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 24 hours later Cons are circling the wagons... Prime Minister Harper think Odas Falsifying documents is a "good thing". Hi Max. Here's my theory why Harper is holding off, for now, turfing Oda. IMO one thing Harper fears is that, if he turfs Oda, it could be misconstrued that he disagrees with Oda's decision to de-fund Kairos. He senses de-funding Kairos is approved by a good chunk of mainstream voters, especially among those who pay taxes and are pissed at the deficit. Judging from the comments on media sites most agree with the cut. He can't afford to appear to be on the wrong side of the issue since his policy could end up muddled in the minds of many, causing another stir. Hence, he supports Oda to reinforce his agreement with the funding cut. If he dumps her too quickly he'd have to share/own the blame for the whole fiasco. IMO she will be gone but only when Harper senses the time is right. Am I being clear as mud? Of course, we knew when there was no good spin to come out of this, the CPC would come up with something rediculous and hope it drifts away. Agreed. Like me they're clear as mud on this one. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 People are double posting comments and it's getting silly. Did the lefties came up with something that is not silly? Quote
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Meanwhile, the spinners will be posting anything to distract from Oda, until the storm blows over. Oda is not an important person. Not important? Quote
PIK Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 I think people know I am a con and I want her gone,she lied and it is not the 1st time she has screwed up. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Prime Minister Harper think Odas Falsifying documents is a "good thing". Let's ask the Lefties. Should church groups get money or shouldn't they? You can't have it both ways. Quote
GWiz Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 According to His Honour Judge Jean Chretien? Why not spend another gazzilion dollars and sue Mulroney again and again.... So Mulroney can take more of our tax dollar and laugh all the way to the bank. Sorry, you forgot something - http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums//index.php?showtopic=17967&view=findpost&p=626412 Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
GWiz Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Let's ask the Lefties. Should church groups get money or shouldn't they? You can't have it both ways. Absolutely they should... A few million for a GOOD CAUSE is a very Canadian thing to do... Now one for you... Should Harper have spent over a BILLION DOLLARS on the G8/G20 weekend? Quote There are none so blind, deaf and dumb as those that fail to recognize, understand, and promote TRUTH...- GWiz
Charles Anthony Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Chas, can we merge the two threads? People are double posting comments and it's getting silly. Done. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Saipan Posted February 16, 2011 Report Posted February 16, 2011 Should Harper have spent over a BILLION DOLLARS on the G8/G20 weekend? No, he shouldn't. He should locked up the known troublemakes before meeting. No need to waste money on criminals. Quote
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